Match Threads Spurs vs Liverpool - Match Day 7 - 30th Sept KO 5:30pm

[spursfan77]

It’s not going to be very nice for Hooper and England. But I think it’s probably for the best to put it on the show, better to be laughed at than vilified as cheats or corrupt.

We don’t really want to video of the VAR room to be shown and them sat there texting on their phones or whatever they were doing instead of paying attention I guess the audio will be harmless if it backs up what has been said so far. I guess if it doesn’t they won’t release it. Liverpool don’t really have any power to make them do it anyway.

 

[Tucker]

We don’t really want to video of the VAR room to be shown and them sat there texting on their phones or whatever they were doing instead of paying attention I guess the audio will be harmless if it backs up what has been said so far. I guess if it doesn’t they won’t release it. Liverpool don’t really have any power to make them do it anyway.

Can you imagine

 

[T-Bone]

The Refs should come out and demand Liverpool withdraw their statement, offer an unreserved apology for ever releasing the statement or Refs should refuse to referee there games........NO REFS NO GAME. It is absolutely astounding they cannot except an awful decision was made but so what they have whatever 60 odd minutes after the decision to score more goals. The refs didn't cost them the game, there 2 idiot players being sent off did and the small fact they were playing a really good side away from home who would have beat them imo with 11 V 11.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

If the VAR controversy had happened to us , I expect we would be moaning like hell , whether Levy/Ange would have released a statement like Liverpool , I doubt.
The fact is there is zero chance of a replay being ordered it's just not in the laws of the game concerning VAR and wrong decisions being made.

 

[Col_M]

 

[mil1lion]

I imagine the footage of VAR being like this

 

[spanners]

Replay the game? They are never going to set a precedence.

 

[spanners]

Players who challenge the ref get cards so I think Liverpool should get a red card for their behavior as a club.

 

[spursfan1991]

The constant moaning and crying about VAR is exhausting, not just this game but in general. It has stopped me from listening to "pundits" on legacy media. I just stick with podcasts now. Sport is suppose to be an escape from life's challenges so it is annoying when all you hear is people crying over a game of football. It is embarrassing and shameless.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

Here’s my match day experience at the ground on Saturday to escape the hot air from the endless VAR debates.

The scenes pre and post game is like stepping into a completely different dimension especially when looking back at last year with the toxicity in the ground.

 

[max cady]

If and it is a big if, Liverpool do manage to get the game replayed, lets say they win and by the end of May secure the league title by say 3 points can you imagine the scenes.

To request the game to be replayed is absurd, to ask for Jones red card to be rescinded is absurd and more importantly Liverpool's statement yesterday is bringing the game into disrepute and they should face a points deduction or a massive fine. Teams like Liverpool need to realise they are not above the law.

 

[Marauder]

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Last thoughts on this

People are going way overboard in the reactions. Yes, it was a cock up. Yes, a goal was wrongfully disallowed. Yes, if it happened to Spurs we would feel aggrieved.

But, at the end of the day - it was s simple miscommunication. The system is not irrevocably broken. The technology has not failed. It simply needs some minor tweaks, and training by the match and VAR officials.

And - I think the match officials should be given more freedom in the wake of this incident.

First: The protocols should have the match official clearly and distinctly tell the VAR official the ruling on the field - in this case: "Goal has been disallowed for an off-side offense flagged by the assistant."

Second: the VAR official should describe their ruling - in this case: "There is no off-side, goal should be awarded". no more - "Check complete"

Third, and most importantly - the match official should be able to correct a miscommunication - even if play has restarted.

In this case, there were two competing "rules" - the first "rule" was to get the correct call, via VAR if necessary, the second "rule" was to avoid unnecessary delays, and to not revisit a decision once the ball is back in play. Here, the official (match or VAR) decided it was more important to hold firm on the second "rule", despite knowing they got the call wrong.

What should have happened - despite any rules to the contrary - VAR official should have been screaming into the mic "IT WAS A VALID GOAL!" The match official should have blown the whistle to stop play - go over and explain the situation to the managers, and awarded the goal. Nobody would be sitting here today complaining that the call should not be reversed once the ball is in play. The goal here is to get the calls correct - not follow some rule that exacerbates the mistake. This is not a situation where VAR wants to go back and re-review - and add further delays - this is simply correcting a bad call on the field - in this case awarding the indirect free-kick.

If we allowed common sense, we would not be talking about this today - give the officials more flexibility, not less.

 

[fridgemagnet]

The other factor is that has been a red card for YEARS!!

It isn't a new rule or something that has been debated for a while.

It has happened a great number of times in the last 10 years and usually ends with a red.

In fact, when it doesn't end in red, there is usually uproar that the player wasn't sent off and he is a "lucky boy"

Agreed, in fact didn't we have one a season or two back where one of our players made a very similar challenge and either somehow escaped with a yellow but everyone including on here was "that should've been a red" it was either that or there was a red shown and the response was "yeah that's a red"

Was there intent in either occasion? No but they weren't in control of their tackle and went over the top of the ball; that's a red!
Jota's first yellow I don't know if it was a deliberate clip (that it was his knee that caught Destiny I'd say not) but he should've received a yellow before that any way so it's a yellow for totting up at least and the second was straight yellow for a player on a card already to make that shows a severe lack of smarts, if it had been a Spurs player making it I'd have been calling them all sorts if that player cost us the match not the ref!

The offside is the only thing they can be annoyed at but it's happened to every single club probably multiple times over the years and has never generated this forensic level of "woe betide us"
It didn't happen with 30 seconds injury time remaining so they've no clue as what bearing it would have had on the result, for all the pundits etc out there to default assume a 'pool victory is extremely prejudicial IMHO.

I'm not making light of this so I hope nobody is upset but it's like born out the Hillsborough disaster and all the injustice that went with that; the narrative is "poor little Liverpool fc deserve to get every decision in their favour to make up for it" until the end of time!

It's a game of football and a cock-up of an offside decision and two red card because your team couldn't control it's emotions; there's no great conspiracy you hoof-wangling-bungle twonks!

 

[dirtyh]

magnificent it's shit like this the internet was invented for.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I know it's already been said here - and by 60, 000 people in the stadium who literally gasped at the replay when it was shown - but Curtis Jones' legbreaker was a straight red card all day long and the people claiming otherwise are absolute fucking donkeys.

Sheesh

 

[SuperLuka]

I know it's already been said here - and by 60, 000 people in the stadium who literally gasped at the replay when it was shown - but Curtis Jones' legbreaker was a straight red card all day long and the people claiming otherwise are absolute fucking donkeys.

Sheesh

They all know it's a red but they can't be honest because their either have an agenda (the media) or want to be outraged (fans).

 

[DarwinSpur]

He literally said he knows Jones hasn't 'done him' because he's done it himself. Shows what sort of character he is.

But also this comment might have meant something in 2002 when Neville and Keane were breaking legs for fun and often getting away with it but this is 2023 and part of VAR's remit is to stamp out (pun intended) this EXACT type of tackle.

 

[Col_M]

@Joe Bjorn Hotspur great video thanks

Did anyone see that at 7:06 with PEH and Alison looking like they are in an argument ?

 

[spursfan77]

Can you imagine

Sounds like they will release it and then it will go on Michael Owen’s programme. I’m sure that won’t be biased at all.

It can’t be anything too much more incriminating or else they wouldn’t release it