Spurs possible European qualifying for 22/23 season

[CookieYiddo]

Isn't there less matches in the EL now since the ECL was started ?

Yes. It has the same amount of rounds as the CL now

 

[The Scarecrow]

But you can see us winning the Champions League or do you want us to avoid Champions League as well? What about the league title? Should we try to get relegated since we haven't been close to winning it? I'm trying to wrap my head around your thinking here.

First of all, the Premier League and Champions league are fun competitions. I enjoy watching us play matches in those competitions, while the Europa League is full of 1-1 draws in Eastern Europe with an XI that looks about as interested in the game as my mum. It's 8-12 boring matches against boring opposition, and then we crash out with nothing to show for it. Year after year after year, and it. We won't win it, and unlike the CL and PL, participating for the sake of it makes no sense at all, seeing as it's boring, there's very little money in it, and most importantly, it affects our domestic matches.

We've also been in two title races in the PL and played in one CL final within the last decade. The best we've done in the EL is the quarter finals. So your logic doesn't apply. We've been much closer to winning the PL and CL than we have to winning the EL since we last won it almost 40 years ago.

 

[dude573]

A lot of our poor performances in the Europa League come from a lot of managers just not caring about it. Harry Redknapp openly despised the competition.

 

[shelfboy68]

The team is doing it's best not to be in Europe next season so probably won't make me difference to us overall especially as we have no hope of winning it anyway.

 

[ilikeost]

First of all, the Premier League and Champions league are fun competitions. I enjoy watching us play matches in those competitions, while the Europa League is full of 1-1 draws in Eastern Europe with an XI that looks about as interested in the game as my mum. It's 8-12 boring matches against boring opposition, and then we crash out with nothing to show for it. Year after year after year, and it. We won't win it, and unlike the CL and PL, participating for the sake of it makes no sense at all, seeing as it's boring, there's very little money in it, and most importantly, it affects our domestic matches.

We've also been in two title races in the PL and played in one CL final within the last decade. The best we've done in the EL is the quarter finals. So your logic doesn't apply. We've been much closer to winning the PL and CL than we have to winning the EL since we last won it almost 40 years ago.

Okay, so it's not about the chance of us winning, it's just about what you think is fun to watch. Two completely different things, since we have a much higher chance of winning the EL than the CL or PL, if our club took the competition seriously.

That wasn't my logic, it was the logic you presented. Then it turned out it wasn't really logic, it was just about what you think is "fun".

 

[Delboy75]

Keeping up Uefa coefficient is really important. Takes 3 or 4 years to recover from missing one season. Early Confrence exit already done us a lot of damage.

 

[Sophos151]

Define dreadful? Is it 3 title wins, a second place finish, plus a European runner up, semi finalist, and a quarter finalist when he has competed in Europe. Is that your definition? Or you’re just cherry picking his second Chelsea season where he finished 5th and this season with Spurs, coming half way through and struggled competing on three/four fronts just like long before he arrived we have.

It’s fine not to want European football next season for reasons, based on our club and squad depth, but don’t spout nonsense of his record to back your reason, because it simply isn’t true.

Since he’s been here we’ve managed 2.7 points per game when he’s had a week to prepare, and 1.4 when he hasn’t - these numbers are from the United game so may have changed very slightly.

When he won the league with Chelsea, they weren’t in European competitions. The following season they were, he led them to a 5th place finish and got knocked out of the Champions League in the first knockout round.

I don’t know a huge amount about his Inter side but they got knocked out of the Champions League in the group stage two years in a row. He did make a Europa League final, but there were less games that year as all the knockout games were a single leg.

 

[Beni]

Since he’s been here we’ve managed 2.7 points per game when he’s had a week to prepare, and 1.4 when he hasn’t - these numbers are from the United game so may have changed very slightly.

When he won the league with Chelsea, they weren’t in European competitions. The following season they were, he led them to a 5th place finish and got knocked out of the Champions League in the first knockout round.

I don’t know a huge amount about his Inter side but they got knocked out of the Champions League in the group stage two years in a row. He did make a Europa League final, but there were less games that year as all the knockout games were a single leg.

So basically he was in European football for 3 out of the 4 seasons he won it. And nice of you to give him this season as a bench mark of things to come given that he has had no pre season or a summer transfer window to build a squad capable of completing on multiple fronts. Our performances have been up and down long after being knocked out of European football in December, so should we knock the premier league on the head too?

 

[whitesocks]

europa used to be better for us when no-one knew who we were and we didn't have the best striker in the world.
The opponents would play weakened sides who weren't really motivated, so the group stages were quite easy to qualify from and we could play our youngsters. And it was good to see them.
Once the knockouts started, we did not have the squad to compete and keep our league campaign going.

Our current squad - well the table doesn't lie. It struggles in the league alone.

 

[Sophos151]

So basically he was in European football for 3 out of the 4 seasons he won it. And nice of you to give him this season as a bench mark of things to come given that he has had no pre season or a summer transfer window to build a squad capable of completing on multiple fronts. Our performances have been up and down long after being knocked out of European football in December, so should we knock the premier league on the head too?

Or, in his last five seasons of management he hasn't won a knockout round when he's been in European competition.

 

[Beni]

Or, in his last five seasons of management he hasn't won a knockout round when he's been in European competition.

He literally got to the Europa League final last season

 

[Sophos151]

He literally got to the Europa League final last season

When there weren't knockout rounds, just one-off matches behind closed doors.

 

[Beni]

When there weren't knockout rounds, just one-off matches behind closed doors.

What?! One off games are knock out games i.e. If he lost one, they would be knocked out.
You’re trolling now, you started saying his record isn’t good when in Europe, yet I have given you facts that he has won titles and taken his teams to finals, semis and quarters and now you’re trying to argue about knock out games, yet has gone to a final last season, finished second in the champions league group stage ahead of Athletico Madrid and then took Juve to semis and quarters ALL in the last 5 seasons of club management

 

[Sophos151]

What?! One off games are knock out games i.e. If he lost one, they would be knocked out.
You’re trolling now, you started saying his record isn’t good when in Europe, yet I have given you facts that he has won titles and taken his teams to finals, semis and quarters and now you’re trying to argue about knock out games, yet has gone to a final last season, finished second in the champions league group stage ahead of Athletico Madrid and then took Juve to semis and quarters ALL in the last 5 seasons of club management

The facts are that:

• Conte has said himself that his teams do better when they have more time to prepare, and that its a problem when he only has a few days.
• In his time here, we've taken more than twice as many points per game when we've had a week to prepare.
• In his two seasons in England, he won the league when he wasn't in Europe, and came fifth with a better squad (almost £200m invested in the summer, with no major outgoings) when he was.
• When he was in Europe with an English team, he crashed out in the first knockout round, to a team who would lose their next tie.
• When he was at Inter, he dropped out of the Champions League in the group stage twice in a row. In the Europe League, he performed better, but was playing in unique conditions where each tie was a single match rather than two - and seeing as this is a debate about his ability to juggle multiple matches, that's very relevant.
• The season he won the league with Inter was the season Inter dropped out of Europe before Christmas, and only moved into first place in February.
• If you want to go back a bit further, he won a single European tie (against Celtic) in his three seasons as Juventus manager, including another group stage exit.

 

[Beni]

The facts are that:

• Conte has said himself that his teams do better when they have more time to prepare, and that its a problem when he only has a few days.
• In his time here, we've taken more than twice as many points per game when we've had a week to prepare.
• In his two seasons in England, he won the league when he wasn't in Europe, and came fifth with a better squad (almost £200m invested in the summer, with no major outgoings) when he was.
• When he was in Europe with an English team, he crashed out in the first knockout round, to a team who would lose their next tie.
• When he was at Inter, he dropped out of the Champions League in the group stage twice in a row. In the Europe League, he performed better, but was playing in unique conditions where each tie was a single match rather than two - and seeing as this is a debate about his ability to juggle multiple matches, that's very relevant.
• The season he won the league with Inter was the season Inter dropped out of Europe before Christmas, and only moved into first place in February.
• If you want to go back a bit further, he won a single European tie (against Celtic) in his three seasons as Juventus manager, including another group stage exit.

Juventus:
Season 1- Won League, League Cup Finalist (No Europe)
Season 2 - Won League, CL Quarter Finalists losing to Bayern Munich eventual winners.
Season 3 - Won League, Europa League Semi Finalists

Chelsea:
Season 1 - Won League (No Europe)
Season 2 - Finish 5th, FA Cup winners, CL last 16 lost to Barcelona

Inter:
Season 1 - Finish 2nd in League, Europa League Finalist
Season 2 - Won league, CL Group Stage

Think his record is fine, domestically and on European stage and we would love to have that on our CV as a club. If you think that’s dreadful then, not sure which manager you expect to get that is going to meet your expectations. Or you’re just picking stuff for the sake of picking on stuff to suit a narrative. Crack on.

 

[Sophos151]

Juventus:
Season 1- Won League, League Cup Finalist (No Europe)
Season 2 - Won League, CL Quarter Finalists losing to Bayern Munich eventual winners.
Season 3 - Won League, Europa League Semi Finalists

Chelsea:
Season 1 - Won League (No Europe)
Season 2 - Finish 5th, FA Cup winners, CL last 16 lost to Barcelona

Inter:
Season 1 - Finish 2nd in League, Europa League Finalist
Season 2 - Won league, CL Group Stage

Think his record is fine, domestically and on European stage and we would love to have that on our CV as a club. If you think that’s dreadful then, not sure which manager you expect to get that is going to meet your expectations. Or you’re just picking stuff for the sake of picking on stuff to suit a narrative. Crack on.

With Juventus, Chelsea, and Inter Milan he’s literally won one knockout tie in five seasons in the Champions League. That’s a dreadful record.

Conte is a league specialist who struggles - by his own admission! - when he has to manage multiple games a week.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I’d rather be in Europe than not at all. it’s a chance to win a trophy.

 

[Tucker]

A lot of our poor performances in the Europa League come from a lot of managers just not caring about it. Harry Redknapp openly despised the competition.

Yeah we’ve had some really good teams over the last fifteen years. We should have done better in what’s essentially a secondary competition where the bigger fish just weren’t there to stop us from winning.

I can kind of understand the clubs priority being to qualify for the champions league as that’s where the real growth lies, but to look at the sides we’ve had over the years and have nothing to show for it is a real regret.

 

[spids]

The Europa League and the Europa Conference League are designed to maintain the status quo in the big European leagues i.e. keep the top 4 as is. Having a paltry prize fund and scheduling matches with significantly further journeys on a Thursday night massively hampers the teams who should be challenging for top 4. It provides nowhere near enough money to build a 25 man squad of top internationals (required to compete on all fronts), whilst resulting in more games to ensure a small squad cannot cope. I said to a colleague who supports West Ham back in October that they had no chance of top 4 this season as the Europa League will kill them.

 

[Beni]

With Juventus, Chelsea, and Inter Milan he’s literally won one knockout tie in five seasons in the Champions League. That’s a dreadful record.

Conte is a league specialist who struggles - by his own admission! - when he has to manage multiple games a week.

So your arguement now is knockout games and in particular Champions League games. In your view Europa League doesn’t count now in managing domestic competitions and mid-week games in Europe. You just keep changing your arguement from your original statement I replied back with.
Fact remains, Conte has won 3 titles whilst managing European football midweek - Europa / Champions League out of 5, with also progressing through to latter stages of the League cup (3 times semi-finalists, 1 Quarter finalists) within these seasons which are also played mid-week. The only dent and arguement is his record at Chelsea in his second season, but still won the FA Cup.

Not proving my point with you anymore, as you clearly have a narrative which swings to whichever way you want it to.