Spurs and VAR

SirHarryHotspur

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Why did VAR not pick up that the free kick for Bournemouth's should have been well within the "D" so making it harder to get the ball over the wall, Mason gave the free kick where the player fell but that was not where the contact with Tanguy took place .
 

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Why did VAR not pick up that the free kick for Bournemouth's should have been well within the "D" so making it harder to get the ball over the wall, Mason gave the free kick where the player fell but that was not where the contact with Tanguy took place .
Why the hell would it ?
It is there to help judge if a foul is in or outside the box, not to judge the exact location the foul took place and rule out every single free kick goal there will ever be, because it is not taken from the exact blade of grass that totally non-impartial fans on Internet forums want it taken from. The free kick was taken from where the referee told them to take the kick from, the same as every free kick in the game, The end.
 
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A few things kill me about VAR.

First, the refs have been advised NOT to go to the side of the pitch and refer to the monitors because of the amount of extra time it takes, which begs the question, WTF are they there for then?

Second, the fans have no idea WTF is happening after a goal is scored apart from the ref standing like a plum with his finger in his ear. Why is the incident/goal in question not being displayed on the giant screens so all the fans can see WTF is going on...?

Third, the raving inconsistency of the VAR decisions. On the weekend, Mings scored a goal for Villa at Old Trafford which was allowed, despite the Villa forward Trezeguet and one other being marginally off-side when the ball was launched into the area. Both were deemed to have had nothing to do with the goal being scored. Now, when we all cast our minds back to our game at Leicester, to when Aurier scored what looked like a perfectly good goal to put us 0-2 in front, but was ruled off-side because Son was deemed to be 1mm off-side in front of a line of on rushing defenders, representing a so-called 'Clear and Obvious Error' on the part of the referee, but by the exact same token, he had NOTHING to do with the goal being scored, and how is 1mm supposed to be a 'clear and obvious error' by the ref?

Fourth, VAR now over-rules the ref on the pitch which is a nonsense.

VAR in it's current format is actually KILLING the game. Players don't know whether to celebrate their goals or wait till the idiot in the VAR box hundreds of miles away tells them it's OK, or wipe it out because a minor foul was committed in the early part of the build up.

Fuck VAR. It's supposed to rule out clear and obvious errors which sounds fine as far as it goes, but it's created all sorts of different problems of its own.

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even though I still don't believe Son was offside v Leicester, unfortunately he was classed as being offside because he was involved in the build up, where as the Villa players never touched the ball or made an effort
 

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Congratulations on your third point for showing either a complete lack of memory about what happened with our disallowed goal, or a complete lack of understanding of the offside law.

Your other points I sort of agree with though.
Excuse me my ignorance, I've only been watching football since 1961. I always thought I understood the off-side law but many thanks for highlighting the fact that I don't. So, perhaps you can explain it to me and anyone else who's having problems with the latest interpretation of it.

It always used to be that if you were past the last defender when the ball was kicked, you were off-side, regardless of whether you were offering a direct goal threat or not. Clearly, that is no longer the case, as I pointed out to you in the United v Villa match with the Mings goal.

So, it's over to you for a full explanation, hopefully in a way we can all understand. Meanwhile, I'll be re-visting our disallowed goal at Leicester.
 

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even though I still don't believe Son was offside v Leicester, unfortunately he was classed as being offside because he was involved in the build up, where as the Villa players never touched the ball or made an effort
He was classed as being off-side by 1mm. If anyone can explain to me how that was deemed to have been a 'clear and obvious error' by the referee, I'd be very grateful.

There have been other goals which have been disallowed by VAR by the same microscopic margins, which is patently ridiculous and it's no wonder people are angry and confused by this nonsense.
 

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He was classed as being off-side by 1mm. If anyone can explain to me how that was deemed to have been a 'clear and obvious error' by the referee, I'd be very grateful.

There have been other goals which have been disallowed by VAR by the same microscopic margins, which is patently ridiculous and it's no wonder people are angry and confused by this nonsense.
There's no clear and obvious ruling during offside calls.
 

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There's no clear and obvious ruling during offside calls.
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure there are loads of people who didn't know that, and that just accentuates the degree of confusion amongst the nation's football watchers surrounding this whole VAR idea. Even the UEFA boss has apparently said it's a mess, but that there's 'no way back' from where we are. Oh deep joy. Like i said, in it's current format, VAR is killing football.

Last week or the week before, there was a high level meeting of the top football brass to discuss various issues surrounding the chaos VAR is causing, but I haven't heard anything about it since, which hardly surprises me. I hope the coffee and the brandy was nice.
 
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Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure there are loads of people who didn't know that, and that just accentuates the degree of confusion amongst the nation's football watchers surrounding this whole VAR idea. Even the UEFA boss has apparently said it's a mess, but that there's 'no way back' from where we are. Oh deep joy. Like i said, in it's current format, VAR is killing football.

Last week or the week before, there was a high level meeting of the top football brass to discuss various issues surrounding the chaos VAR is causing, but I haven't heard anything about it since, which hardly surprises me. I hope the coffee and the brandy was nice.
Half the VAR issues would go away if the people judging were not just inept cretinous morons lets be honest, the other half needs Fifa/Uefa to not make it so grey open to interpretations in certain incidents... simples
 

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He was classed as being off-side by 1mm. If anyone can explain to me how that was deemed to have been a 'clear and obvious error' by the referee, I'd be very grateful.

There have been other goals which have been disallowed by VAR by the same microscopic margins, which is patently ridiculous and it's no wonder people are angry and confused by this nonsense.
I'm not arguing that, what I'm saying is once he touched/involved then if offside it's offside. nearly every game nowadays someone is standing in an offside position and in the old days those goals would be ruled out.
 

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Where was VAR in the second half when Son has that little run and shot early on? Maguire was all over Dele in the penalty area. Not even mentioned by the commentator but he basically took him out of the action. Does Dele really have to fall to the floor to get it? I doubt he could, Maguire has such a tight hold of him.

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If VAR didn't give this as a penalty then why the fuck was Sissoko on Rashford one??? :confused::confused::confused:

To me, that's a penalty. One of the Guardian Football Weekly people described it as a foul in the box (so a penalty), but also a dive (so a yellow card)... essentially, he was arguing that Vardy was fouled, but goes down on his own (dives) to call attention to the foul. I can't foresee a situation where a card would be shown for diving but also a penalty awarded, but I kind of think that's what happens a lot... players know they won't get a penalty if they stay on their feet, so they dive after getting fouled to call attention to the foul.

I liked the video that JJ shared on Twitter that shows the Sissoko penalty and VVD challenge against Everton. Combined with the Vardy play, we have three very similar actions but three wildly different outcomes - one a booking for diving, one a no-call, and one a penalty. Hard to see how VAR is bringing any clarity to anything!

VVD and Sissoko comparison:
 
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