Sherwood has gone!

[Kubo]

I can't even believe the comparison is being made!!

I would never compare Sherwood to Mourinho regarding their abilites (or just wait 10 years and we'll see!), however, there seems to be loads of double standards going around nowadays.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Only the die hard Sherwood fans are making the comparison no one else is.

Yep and you can count them all on 1 hand lol

 

[knilly]

Respect is earned not given

So who has earned respect as a manager? How can you respect someone who repeatedly gets the boot for not being good enough in your chosen profession as most managers do.

Moyes had respect but that's been wiped out in 10 months.

So we are narrowing it down to a manager who has won trophies, and who is willing to go to a club that's does not really compete for honours either now or historically.

A manager who has earned respect previously, and who our current playing staff will also respect. But probably not get respect of the crowd if they have the audacity to go in 0-0 at half time, the media or the boardroom as has been proven since 2001.

As well as someone who says what the fans think they want to hear, not actually pointing out clear deficiencies within the club that every other news outlet, pundit have been saying for far too long.

Who is this mythical super manager who makes everything right? FdB who conquered Europe with the Mighty Ajax this year (went out to a no mark team by the way)

Or is it the clearly sane LVG?

Does having a double barrelled surname and being Dutch make you a better manager? Clearly that theory doesn't hold up with players or van Wolfswinkel would have kept Norwich safe in his own.

Thems my onions.

Onions, they are like arseholes. They both stink.

 

[Kubo]

He's made some mistakes and possibly regrets one or two outbursts, but it happens to show he is human and that he is passionate about his team. I can also forgive him the drubbings we've had, this is someone with Zero experience at this level and given we had a few under AVB, probably not that surprising.

I'd give TS another year, let him have a full pre-season, change a couple of personnel and get the fans behind the team. His results in the Prem are impressive taking into account the events going on around the team so can't quite fathom the hatred towards him. FDB is an unknown quantity and we've had some shocking unknown quantities in the past, sometimes the devil you know is a better option.

Also, people tend to conveniently forget that we got screwed over by the ref in two of those games.

 

[indianspurs]

So the crux of this is we will never get a British manager who will get respect from our highly paid world class stars as that person will not have won trophies. So we will always appoint a foreign manager who is currently the hottest name to have. Well until British managers go abroad to win trophies first. Where's Steve Mclaren's phone number?

Look am not British so if you are interested in an outside perspective read on

Personally its irrelevant whether the manager is British or not. Also I don't agree with your cups comment. Pelligrini hasn't won a cup but his team still score heaps of goals, are more entertaining than the previous year and are in the title race. Harry gave us CL inspite of being British.

About British managers getting a hard time I feel its completely the opposite. Mark Hughes failed at QPR and City but still manages a mid table PL team. When AVB was sacked/left the media and most fans said his career is over, he's over rated, etc. How many times has Brendan Rodgers been sacked ? When was the last time a British manager lifted the PL? Apart from Ferguson of course.

It shouldn't and doesn't matter if you're British or not, white or not, 40 or 60, if you're proved/proving yourself you will definitely get a chance.

I didn't like that AVB was sacked but was hoping Tim goes on to be successful because I love this club. He knows the club, believe was on the transfer committee so should have known most players capabilities, has previously played for us and other clubs in the PL and for Levy he would have been on low wages if hired for the long term.

But what has transpired doesn't look good. He's alienated most foreign players, spoken about having a British core, blasting players in public,etc. He's dug his own grave. ATM there are 12 British managers in the PL.We were forced to sell our best player(according to me) Bale for a world record fee whereas as Bentley was released on a free,both were British but their performances decided their departure.

Personally speaking my comments aren't discarded on SC just cause am not British, I get the same treatment as others. Yes some morons have attacked me on my race but I've learnt to ignore those idiots. I left SC for a couple of weeks but am back now cause I can't let those idiots decide whether I should love this club or no.

It irrelevant if your British or not, what matters is performance and proper behaviour, be it the PL or SC

Cheers for reading

 

[Jamturk]

So who has earned respect as a manager? How can you respect someone who repeatedly gets the boot for not being good enough in your chosen profession as most managers do.

Moyes had respect but that's been wiped out in 10 months.

So we are narrowing it down to a manager who has won trophies, and who is willing to go to a club that's does not really compete for honours either now or historically.

A manager who has earned respect previously, and who our current playing staff will also respect. But probably not get respect of the crowd if they have the audacity to go in 0-0 at half time, the media or the boardroom as has been proven since 2001.

As well as someone who says what the fans think they want to hear, not actually pointing out clear deficiencies within the club that every other news outlet, pundit have been saying for far too long.

Who is this mythical super manager who makes everything right? FdB who conquered Europe with the Mighty Ajax this year (went out to a no mark team by the way)

Or is it the clearly sane LVG?

Does having a double barrelled surname and being Dutch make you a better manager? Clearly that theory doesn't hold up with players or van Wolfswinkel would have kept Norwich safe in his own.

Thems my onions.

Onions, they are like arseholes. They both stink.

Its not just professional respect we should be talking about here though is it.

Players of Fergie, Mourinho, Ancellotti will speak of a personal respect they have.

That goes a long way in terms of motivation on a professional level.

 

[roosh]

He is like a classic case of a facilitator in a debate.....who already knows what he wants or what he wants to hear (others opinion does not matter to him)......usually these sort of facilitator would keep asking leading questions, until he (facilitator) is satisfied and would then sum up all the points in a summary........for our friend here, he would also ask questions (put the ball into our court).....with hoping that we would trip and contradict ourselves. If he really wants to debate, he would put his motions with facts and datas to refute those claims that TS and Ade had a hand in AVB leaving the club.

Have kind of followed this discussion and ultimately I think it is a pointless one. Regardless of how Sherwood got the job, he got it, he's there now and we need to be looking to the future, not the past.

That being said, I think the onus is on whoever is claiming that they had a hand in AVB leaving to provide the facts. It seems what has been presented so far is just a conspiracy theory based on supposition.

 

[dimiSpur]

I'd give TS another year, let him have a full pre-season, change a couple of personnel and get the fans behind the team. His results in the Prem are impressive taking into account the events going on around the team so can't quite fathom the hatred towards him. FDB is an unknown quantity and we've had some shocking unknown quantities in the past, sometimes the devil you know is a better option.

I'm not one for exaggerations. I would honestly rather go back in time as a child and be on the Jimmy Saville show with special guests Gary Glitter and Arsene Wenger than endure a single pre-season fixture with TS in charge, let alone a whole season.

Every time he talks I feel like raping the TV via the scart socket in furious vengeance. I hate him. "I'm a tough act to follow", fuck off you (in your own vocabulary) mug.

None of those insults are directed at you Bonzo, just TS. Nor is this a pop at you. I'm merely expressing my opinion on TS, with the aid of imaginative metaphors. I would however remind you that I don't exaggerate, so all that I posted I genuinely mean.

 

[roosh]

That still doesn't change that you think it has been made up, so I don't know what your point is. It doesn't actually change the interpretation of what you said; the conclusion you come to is still that in your opinion it is made up, whichever bit I highlighted.

The difference is that one is a categorical statement implying fact, the other demonstrates deduction based on available evidence, while allowing the possibility for error.

 

[Dr Know]

I think Sherwood's treatment by the board is particularly poor , doesn't matter whether people think he's an arse or not. I thinking tapping up a manager or managers while someone is in the job is wrong. I didn't agree with it when it happened to Jol and I don't agree with it now.

As much as I don't rate the guy, I agree with your post. He might be 90% of what he's called on here but he's still just another guy trying his best to hold on to a dream job.

On the flip side you live by the sword you die by the sword...........what goes around comes around.......obviously assuming the rumours are true that he stabbed the previous manager in the back and wormed his way into the job

 

[Dr Know]

By that logic 75% or so of the Premier League managers aren't allowed to voice any criticism.

Let's say that we appoint Poch in the summer. Will he be allowed to utter harsh words after one of our inevitable defensive fuck ups?

Wouldn't affect, Dawson as he won't understand what Poch would be saying anyway!!

 

[SpursDave88]

Look am not British so if you are interested in an outside perspective read on

Personally its irrelevant whether the manager is British or not. Also I don't agree with your cups comment. Pelligrini hasn't won a cup but his team still score heaps of goals, are more entertaining than the previous year and are in the title race. Harry gave us CL inspite of being British.

About British managers getting a hard time I feel its completely the opposite. Mark Hughes failed at QPR and City but still manages a mid table PL team. When AVB was sacked/left the media and most fans said his career is over, he's over rated, etc. How many times has Brendan Rodgers been sacked ? When was the last time a British manager lifted the PL? Apart from Ferguson of course.

It shouldn't and doesn't matter if you're British or not, white or not, 40 or 60, if you're proved/proving yourself you will definitely get a chance.

I didn't like that AVB was sacked but was hoping Tim goes on to be successful because I love this club. He knows the club, believe was on the transfer committee so should have known most players capabilities, has previously played for us and other clubs in the PL and for Levy he would have been on low wages if hired for the long term.

But what has transpired doesn't look good. He's alienated most foreign players, spoken about having a British core, blasting players in public,etc. He's dug his own grave. ATM there are 12 British managers in the PL.We were forced to sell our best player(according to me) Bale for a world record fee whereas as Bentley was released on a free,both were British but their performances decided their departure.

Personally speaking my comments aren't discarded on SC just cause am not British, I get the same treatment as others. Yes some morons have attacked me on my race but I've learnt to ignore those idiots. I left SC for a couple of weeks but am back now cause I can't let those idiots decide whether I should love this club or no.

It irrelevant if your British or not, what matters is performance and proper behaviour, be it the PL or SC

Cheers for reading

I'm 100% with this, I just don't understand why people always go on about giving British managers a chance..why? That would be considered an unfair and immoral discriminatory practice in any other field of work.

 

[Jamturk]

I think the main problem Sherwood has is that he comes across as a relic of the past. His association with Redknapp just makes this perception worse.

The way he talks about the game, passion, guts, determination adds fuel to the fire. In these times where football exposure and saturation forces it to come across as a more sophisticated game than the likes of the Sherwoods and Redknapps believe it to be.

 

[eddiebailey]

But what has transpired doesn't look good. He's alienated most foreign players, spoken about having a British core,

What's wrong with wanting a British core? It is a British club. In every other league in Europe the top clubs have a core of players born in that country.

Frank Arnesen spoke about Spurs needing a British core. Other foreign managers coming to England have spoken about the need for a British core.

It is not prejudice or bigotry, it is a recognition of what works best. Arsenal have won bugger all since the famous five hung up their boots, while Manchester United were at their most successful in the days of the class of 92 (and have never lacked an English core). Even Chelski rely for leadership on the pitch their tiny English contingent.

Yes, if you have bottomless pockets (do Sheiks have pockets?) you can go out and assemble a team of the world's finest mercenaries, and get results, even if they are a bit flakey away somewhere like Stoke, but that is never going to happen at Spurs under Enic (and I am kind of grateful).

 

[EQP]

The Sherwood and Mourinho comparisons

Well they both dislike AVB....

 

[eddiebailey]

I think the main problem Sherwood has is that he comes across as a relic of the past. His association with Redknapp just makes this perception worse.

The way he talks about the game, passion, guts, determination adds fuel to the fire. In these times where football exposure and saturation forces it to come across as a more sophisticated game than the likes of the Sherwoods and Redknapps believe it to be.

Spoken like a true lover of prawn sandwiches.

 

[eddiebailey]

Top managers like Mourinho are in a unique position because of what they have done in the game. Players know it isbest to stay on side with the manager as there is a good chance he will win trophies for them.

Most other managers are yet to earn that kind of respect.

This is Sherwood's first job so he will be a long way from earning anywhere near Moutinhos level of respect.

I can't even believe the comparison is being made!!

Hilarious that you believe that Mourinho waited until he had earned the right to be a **** before becoming a ****.

I am trying to imagine a self-effacing, eager to please, wouldn't say boo to a goose young Jose.

 

[indianspurs]

What's wrong with wanting a British core? It is a British club. In every other league in Europe the top clubs have a core of players born in that country.

Frank Arnesen spoke about Spurs needing a British core. Other foreign managers coming to England have spoken about the need for a British core.

It is not prejudice or bigotry, it is a recognition of what works best. Arsenal have won bugger all since the famous five hung up their boots, while Manchester United were at their most successful in the days of the class of 92 (and have never lacked an English core). Even Chelski rely for leadership on the pitch their tiny English contingent.

Yes, if you have bottomless pockets (do Sheiks have pockets?) you can go out and assemble a team of the world's finest mercenaries, and get results, even if they are a bit flakey away somewhere like Stoke, but that is never going to happen at Spurs under Enic (and I am kind of grateful).

Nothing wrong except the fact that players should be picked on their talent and what they offer to the team instead of their nationality. You talk of Chelsea and United but what about their quality ? You are forgetting talent my friend. Compare Jenas Defoe Dawson Bentley Lennon etc with Giggs Scholes Beckham Neville Terry Cole Lampard Rooney Carrick . I may say that a Bale and King would be exceptions.

Also I completely disagree with the fact that British players will hang on with us just cause they are Britiish. Carrick,Keane and Bale left. Do you really think a Defoe, Lennon or even Dawson would have stayed if say United,Chelsea or Madrid asked for them ?

Now coming to top European clubs having their national players let me explain using the Spain model. Madrid Barcelona and Athletico have Ramos Casillas Alonso Isco Xavi Iniesta Koke Juan Fran Pedro etc. Can you see such quality in English players ? Even if they do exist chances are they will end up at City Chelsea or United and not with us.

Look no offence but I find the Spanish, German and Italian better than the English. Not all but mostly so therefore those clubs can afford that luxury but we can't . May be a United Chelsea or City in England can.

Also isn't there a rule which says that a club should have minimum no of English players in their squad? So I guess sometimes a player will be picked because of his nationality whereas someone else will miss out since he's not,isn't that an advantage? I believe this system is prevalent throughout Europe tho.

If a Carrol Livermore Lennon Fryers Kane Townsend are better than Paulinho Capoue Lamela Chiriches Soldado Eriksen and Chadli then they should be picked by all means but that should be the basis and not because they are English

 

[xtrac]

I think the main problem Sherwood has is that he comes across as a relic of the past. His association with Redknapp just makes this perception worse.

The way he talks about the game, passion, guts, determination adds fuel to the fire. In these times where football exposure and saturation forces it to come across as a more sophisticated game than the likes of the Sherwoods and Redknapps believe it to be.

what a load of rubbish!!!

 

[Kubo]

Nothing wrong except the fact that players should be picked on their talent and what they offer to the team instead of their nationality. You talk of Chelsea and United but what about their quality ? You are forgetting talent my friend. Compare Jenas Defoe Dawson Bentley Lennon etc with Giggs Scholes Beckham Neville Terry Cole Lampard Rooney Carrick . I may say that a Bale and King would be exceptions.

Also I completely disagree with the fact that British players will hang on with us just cause they are Britiish. Carrick,Keane and Bale left. Do you really think a Defoe, Lennon or even Dawson would have stayed if say United,Chelsea or Madrid asked for them ?

Now coming to top European clubs having their national players let me explain using the Spain model. Madrid Barcelona and Athletico have Ramos Casillas Alonso Isco Xavi Iniesta Koke Juan Fran Pedro etc. Can you see such quality in English players ? Even if they do exist chances are they will end up at City Chelsea or United and not with us.

Look no offence but I find the Spanish, German and Italian better than the English. Not all but mostly so therefore those clubs can afford that luxury but we can't . May be a United Chelsea or City in England can.

Also isn't there a rule which says that a club should have minimum no of English players in their squad? So I guess sometimes a player will be picked because of his nationality whereas someone else will miss out since he's not,isn't that an advantage? I believe this system is prevalent throughout Europe tho.

If a Carrol Livermore Lennon Fryers Kane Townsend are better than Paulinho Capoue Lamela Chiriches Soldado Eriksen and Chadli then they should be picked by all means but that should be the basis and not because they are English

I'd say that knowing the language, culture, history etc. is a quality in itself. Of course foreign players can adapt, but players raised in the UK get if "for free".

Look at Lamela for example. He might have all the talent in the world, but if he cannot settle in England, what's the use?

Agreed that they produce more exciting players in Spain, Germany and Italy - but could one reason be that they actually have faith and patience with their young talent? We shipped out our most talented home grown defender in a decade to replace him with some unknown Romanian, because what, some scout thought he could pass the ball better?