Safe standing at WHL? There's a survey on...

[E8spur]

I don't know about you, but I like to stand up and sing when I'm at the match. At the moment, there is regular but unofficial standing in the Park Lane and a bit of the Shelf Side. But sometimes the stewards come round and try and get us all to sit down…

One solution to the problem would be having either a change of rules to allow people to stand in front of their seats or to create a safe standing area - that's what happens in Germany, and it has the added advantage of getting ticket prices down.

Now over here, prem clubs are still bound by the rules in the Taylor Report that insisted on all-seater stadiums. But some clubs and supporters groups are considering trialling safe standing areas - and it could be Spurs!

Here's an article about it, with a survey [link in the story] being launched by the THST.

Now's your chance, fellow standing spurs fans!

http://www.islingtontribune.com/sports/2014/jan/shelf-your-shout-standing-room

OFF THE SHELF - Your shout for standing room

Published: 16 January, 2014
by DAN CARRIER

THE Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust is running a survey to gauge the views of fans over using White Hart Lane – or the new stadium – to trail a Bundesliga style Safe Standing plan.

With the atmosphere at the once boisterous Lane under discussion, ticket prices often too high for many fans, and stadium capacity an issue, the trust believe introducing standing areas could be the answer.

In Germany, fans are allowed to stand behind waist-height railings. And with the Taylor Report, that banned standing, now seen as heavily flawed Spurs have said they would be interested in introduce the system – if fans want it. To share your views visit http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/X9FG2FG

[I've snipped the bit of not very new transfer news off the end of the piece]

 

[C-oops]

Why would Spurs want the ticket prices to decrease? Demand outstrips supply and when it doesn't ie, early uefa cup and C1C games they reduce the price anyway. Not in their interest to make less tickets cheaper

 

[E8spur]

Why would Spurs want the ticket prices to decrease?

They won't.

But I do!


more seriously: I think the idea is that the prices can be lower cos the capacity increases a bit. So the people at the club who weigh the vast amounts of money they get off us don't come up short.

 

[C-oops]

Maybe if capacity was increased they might reduce prices but it would be minimal with those safe standing areas with the perch seating.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Why would Spurs want the ticket prices to decrease?

100 tix x 100 = 1000
200 tix x 50 = 1000

100 hotdogs x 2 = 200
200 hotdogs x 2 = 400

100 shirts x 50 = 5000
200 shirts x 50 = 10000

 

[E8spur]

I'd like to be able to stand (without steward hassle) anyway. Any reduction in prices would be an added bonus, obviously. But I think it would be good in any case to let those of us who want to stand up - might add to the atmosphere a bit too.

 

[tototoner]

Of course rail standing will be cheaper than the seating we have now, and thanks for for the link

The sooner this comes back into Premier League grounds the better

 

[C-oops]

100 tix x 100 = 1000
200 tix x 50 = 1000

100 hotdogs x 2 = 200
200 hotdogs x 2 = 400

100 shirts x 50 = 500
200 shirts x 50 = 1000

Yeah but the safe standing they have in Germany with the seats you can perch on/lean against don't double the capacity.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Yeah but the safe standing they have in Germany with the seats you can perch on/lean against don't double the capacity.

Actually they pretty much do, at Hannover 96 a 3000 rail seat block in the standing configuration holds 5750 fans.

They're a typical example of modern Bundesliga stadium design

 

[ostrov]

100 tix x 100 = 10000
200 tix x 50 = 10000

100 hotdogs x 2 = 200
200 hotdogs x 2 = 400

100 shirts x 50 = 5000
200 shirts x 50 = 10000

fixed

 

[Yorkville Spur]

Gotta have standing. Sitting in seats sucks all the energy out of a crowd.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

fixed

Oops!

 

[Grey Fox]

Everyone on here needs to do the survey, because the club will need evidence of overwelming support for this for them to even entertain this properly. Takes 2 minutes JUST DO IT

 

[talkshowhost86]

This won't happen at WHL (as there is no incentive to invest in any changes there with the planned stadium move) and my understanding is that none of the designs for the new stadium even contemplate a standing area.

Much as I'd love to see it, mainly due to the atmosphere it would create, I doubt very much that Levy and co would consider this.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Supporters want it

Government don't

Tottenham don't

Police don't

Hillsborough families don't

Not happening I'm afraid

 

[E8spur]

Supporters want it

Government don't

Tottenham don't

Police don't

Hillsborough families don't

Not happening I'm afraid

Need an upside-down rainbow to rate your post pessimistic!

 

[dimiSpur]

Supporters want it

Government don't

Tottenham don't

Police don't
Hillsborough families don't

Not happening I'm afraid

Why should they have a special say? Families of people involved in 9/11 don't have a say over aviation safety. Hillsborough was a very unsavoury and sad moment in football history, but it wasn't down to standing, it was down to poor policing and poor stadium infrastructure. A pen holding people in, fans with no concept of what happens when there's more people in an area than there should be and the general fan mentality in the 70s and 80s, which has changed dramatically over the last 20 years.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Why should they have a special say? Families of people involved in 9/11 don't have a say over aviation safety. Hillsborough was a very unsavoury and sad moment in football history, but it wasn't down to standing, it was down to poor policing and poor stadium infrastructure. A pen holding people in, fans with no concept of what happens when there's more people in an area than there should be and the general fan mentality in the 70s and 80s, which has changed dramatically over the last 20 years.

I can't argue with you. Unfortunately tragedies like these hold great sway and the families of those who died being completely against standing being brought back hold great wieght in the view of public persuasion and those in authority that are the decision makers most of which probably don't like football and have know idea what we are so passionate about

Also those opposed which will include all the big clubs can always roll out the hillsborough families etc argument

 

[HotspurFC1950]

This won't happen at WHL (as there is no incentive to invest in any changes there with the planned stadium move) and my understanding is that none of the designs for the new stadium even contemplate a standing area.

Much as I'd love to see it, mainly due to the atmosphere it would create, I doubt very much that Levy and co would consider this.

But the safe standing idea is in keeping with the Club's pledge to create a new stadium with a top fan experience and a kop like stand.

If they are serious and true to their word which I'm sure they will be a safe standing area would fit that remit.

Two other benefits are reaching the headline capacity of 60k instead of the proposed 56k and addressing the declining atmosphere.

People standing tend to be the same ones who want to chant and sing and a safe standing area group of people would lead the whole stadium creating "noise".

 

[hodsgod]

Gotta have standing. Sitting in seats sucks all the energy out of a crowd.

I have always thought it's the fact that the people that want to sing can't actually congregate. Therefore not the seats in themselves but the lack of flexibility of location.

Personally I prefer to sit, but when I was younger and wanted to stand and sing, we could move unconstructed through the full 360 degrees of the stadium. The only barrier being under the main stand .

I am sure the atmosphere would improve with a standing area, just don't block my view.