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Oh dear......
Roberto Soldado Starved
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sunnydelight786
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Is he starved or not getting involved enough. Not going to lie but for 30m euros I expected a lot more than what he's served up so far. Did Negredo really cost almost £10m less than him.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...y-heat-map-Manchester-City-6-0-Tottenham.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...y-heat-map-Manchester-City-6-0-Tottenham.html
guiltyparty
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Sorry, got to laugh, that's comical
Donki
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Are play is garbage man, it's shit we wait till they et all their men back in position then try to move the ball forward. We're not committing men forward and supporting our striker, we're not even attempting any balls through to him or into space it's that simple it's not a player problem as such it's the instructions or lack of understanding with the instructions. It's not that our striker isn't scoring it's that fucking no one is scoring. It all can't be one players fault, were just not playing as a team. If we were getting the ball through to Bobby and he was fluffing his chances then il say he isn't a success.
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beats1
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What a load of bollocks!
Gomez doesnt play for Bayern because he missed about 150 chances in the same season he scored 40 goals!
He also doesnt get involved in the build up play whereas Soldado does!
TheAmerican
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Valencia just moved the ball quickly. Every time Soldado is in camera in games, there are 7 or 8 guys between him and the ball. It's ridiculous how slow we move.I do like Soldado and think he will do well once he has adapted but some of the defending in this video is horrendous. It's like everyone is trying to play a high line and failing
Spurger King
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Exactly. Our two massive weaknesses under AVB are pace and movement. It was painfully evident last season, and if anything it's even worse now.
I think the average pub team would think they have a reasonable chance of snuffing out one of our attacks, as it's almost like moving chess pieces. I've seen foosball teams with more unpredictable movement.
I've heard some people mention Barca and their style of patient passing, but the huge difference is that Barca move so well off the ball.
It's why I'm beginning to feel that the clock started ticking on AVB's departure as soon as we missed out on Moutinho. There was a player that knew AVB's style of play well, and could pass the ball quickly and incisively. We haven't got a single player in the squad capable of doing anything like that. At a push maybe Erisken, but certainly not at the same level of consistency or proficiency.
They really do need to 'fackin' run abaaat a bit'.
sim0n
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Put Lamela in the #10 spot in between Lennon and Townsend to see what support Soldado gets would be interesting,... especially with the wingers playing their "natural" sides of the pitch...
Donki
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See this is what I dont get, surely we have the players to pass the ball forward quicker than we are? From me looking at the game the players are being told what not to do and not told what to do. I can distintly remember times where Pauli had the ball on the break and instead of moving on he looked like he was waiting, he even done a Parker 3 point turn for good measure. It cant be that Dembele, Pauli, Holtby etc simpley cant move the ball forward quicker I think the instructions to them is not to. It seems they have a very ridgid set of instructions in each position and they have very little creative freedom outside that remit. I maybe grasping at straws here but I am trying to find a reason why our play is so shit.
I take your point about Moutinho but I dont think you need a master playmaker in order to play a higher standard of footbal than we currently are. I watched the WBA game last night and it was entertaining, and pretty well paced neither of those teams have a master look picker but they seem to be able to create more clear cut chances than we have.
I think AVB needs to give the players a little more independance on the pitch allow them to play their game, I don't think its coinsidence that players like VDV, BAE and Ade have been moved on or not used these are the players that may not conform so well to precise instruction. Again this is just my opinion and trying to work out just what the fuck is going wrong.
Donki
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Put Lamela in the #10 spot in between Lennon and Townsend to see what support Soldado gets would be interesting,... especially with the wingers playing their "natural" sides of the pitch...
That would certainly get more balls in the box and having watched the Bobby vids on you tube this guy thrives on them, and you can see him making his runs in front of defenders one touch finish job done. That and moving our number 10 and one of the supporting mids forward, were not putting defences under enough pressure.
WalkerboyUK
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And there-in lies the problem of only playing 1 up front.
Soldado comes out to work on the build-up, all the midfielders are still 20+ yards away from the goal and we then have no-one in the middle to finish.
Either that or our inverted wingers decide to come in and shoot from distance, rather than playing on their natural side and putting the ball into the box.
It was the same last season when we played JD or Ade.
Root cause is our style of play!!!
beats1
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I agree but inverted wingers like at Barca and etc have shown that they dont have to be 20 yards away and exploit spaces left by soldado. We dont do that
WalkerboyUK
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Slight difference in quality of player between the 2 teams!!!
They way Barca play is ingrained into the players from the moment they join, from academy and up. They sign players that can play that way.
AVB has tried to change the way we play (which is no bad thing in principal), but with a core of English players where they are brought up on a completely different style. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
beats1
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True but the way, Ajax, Dortmund, Schalke and etc setup in a similar way to attack the space
I disagree with the english core however as only Townsend is our attacking english player that should be in our first 11 and he has shown for england he can hug the touchline, cut inside and etc at the right times.
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TheAmerican
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Here is Soldado scoring a hat trick in the CL in the same formation we have been using
As probably a lot of people have said I think the solution is playing 4-4-2 with Soldado and Adebayor, at least against the sides who just park the bus and concede possession. A midfield three might be requiered against the better sides. But why not play a 3-4-1-2 in those cases? We really do have the players for it.
I think as time goes on there is a direct correlation between Soldado not being found and soldados movement becoming less and less. So in effect its getting worse and worse. The first few games I thought Soldado's movement was intelligent and now maybe he is either being told to stay more central or if thinks he wil be found more easily if he stays more static. Whatever it is, the last few games its not working and the gameplan needs to be re-addressed.
TheAmerican
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As probably a lot of people have said I think the solution is playing 4-4-2 with Soldado and Adebayor, at least against the sides who just park the bus and concede possession. A midfield three might be requiered against the better sides. But why not play a 3-4-1-2 in those cases? We really do have the players for it.
I like a 3-1-4-2, Mourinho and Guardiola have both used is successfully in recent years. If we are going to be counter-attacked, may as well be able to fall back fast and defend. AVB would never try it, though.
