Ramos recalls Robbo (apparently)!

[dj_stu]

pretty much agreed with shanks... there are issues with both, if robbo was picked he'd be fired up but we know his confidence has taken a beating over the last year or two... cerny is decent but probably not as capable of the spectacular match-savers as robbo

either way, we've just got to make sure they have as little to do as possible and it won't matter!

 

[DogsOfWar]

My opinion on this is very divided and rests as much on who Ramos lines up in the centre back position.

If we play King and Woodgate at the back they are good enough to give Robbo the protection he needs. As with Terry and Ferdinand for England his weaknesses will not be tested and his strengths will make us a better side.
But if we have to play a younger back two such as Dawson and Kaboul/Huddlestone I would go for Cerny as his solid all round game should make up for any defensive inadequacies.

The reality is that we will probably play one experienced and one younger player so in this case I haven't got a clue.

Cerny has made a couple of errors and, as with Robbo, a case can be made for dropping him. But then you could argue that, overall, we have been defensively sounder with Cerny so he should be allowed to carry on.

As has been posted earlier I think a lot depends on what Ramos has seen in training. If Robbo has worked hard on his fitness and his all-round game, and has shown improvement on these areas, then Ramos is quite entitled to select him if he feels he is now the better keeper.

 

[Shanks]

Nicely done Dogs, actually agree and does make for easy understanding when you look at the defensive pairing in front of him.

Repped.

 

[bubble07]

Robinson should definatly start on Thursday and would be extremly surprised if he didn't. Then for sunday its anyones guess. Ramos could have a really tough decision if Robbo doesn't make a mistake and makes a few saves. Any errors on Thursday and the decision is made for him. I know defense gets cofidence from their keeper but I feel in this case it can really work the other way round. With Hutton Woodgate King Gilberto/Chimbonda (albeit have never played together as a 4) are quality players

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Ive Just Seen That Robbo You Tube In Prague... What A Legend!
That Made The Hairs On My Neck Stand Up... Put Him Back In!!!!!

 

[ever]

woohoooo robbo,

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Ive Just Seen That Robbo You Tube In Prague... What A Legend!
That Made The Hairs On My Neck Stand Up... Put Him Back In!!!!!

what, this one?

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:clap:

 

[nickspurs]

It is a toughie. I think Robbo is fundamentally a better keeper but has lost confidence. I think Cerny has been solid (with 1-2 costly errors) but is not going to be the future at WHL. That said, you have to pick the form player who you believe will deliver on the day. I think the defence line-up is irrelevent.

If Juande can look Robbo in the eye and see that he has the mental toughness for the big games then I think he will go for him. But it would be harsh on Cerny to lose faith already. Think of all the errors it took for Robbo to get dropped.

Cerny is highly likely to be on his way at the end of the season. If Robbo gets a run and does really well he might still be #1 in August. Perhaps Juande wants to give him a chance rather than spunk £XM on a new (probably foreign) keeper in the summer.

Overall I reckon Juande will go for Robbo for both unless he has a shocker tomorrow.

 

[Fordy]

that was quality. we were singing englands number 1 to him when he came out and he kept looking behind as if to say 'who you singing at?'!!

also he kicked numerous balls into our end but people kept giving them back, he kept booting them back in saying its for you!!

love the geezer.

 

[Chatterbox1169]

Am sitting on the fence on this one:

Cerny's recent performance has been brilliant - very consistent. More clean sheets than Robbo's had for ages, great saves and only 1 cock up!

Robbo's lost confidence, had numerous cock ups, very few clean sheets, hasn't had a game since Janurary, but on form can be outstanding!

I'm worried that just because Robbo may get the place doesn't guarantee he'll put on a top performance. Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!!!

 

[Gilzeanking]

Firstly, of course it was a mistake by Cerny. He wasn't under pressure and he had the choice of playing safe and pushing the ball over the bar. Secondly, and more importantly, he clearly stated himself that it was a mistake!!!


Whoa there HOLD UP . you're talking about a DIFFERENT GOAL .

I'm talking about the deflected Utd Goal which wasn't rweally his fault NOT Cerny's obvious mistake vs Slavia

Lordy Lordy

 

[DC_Boy]

one of the big worries about facing Chelsea is that Terry at corner kicks poses quite a threat - not sure who's best to counter that from keeping perspective

yes we've gone zonal - but can't see Slavia Prague giving robbo a realistic test on set pieces tomorrow

 

[LSUY]

I'm talking about the deflected Utd Goal which wasn't rweally his fault NOT Cerny's obvious mistake vs Slavia

But it was his fault. The ball wasn't deflected that much, wasn't travelling at a great speed and one of the first things you learn as a goalkeeper is to get your body behind the ball.

I received goalkeeper training, unfortunately by the Scum and their coaches stated that if the ball squirms underneath the keepers body then it is the keeper to blame as he has not done what he's been taught to do.

Any goalkeeper worth his salt would have saved it. Any other day Cerny would have have saved that shot. The only reason that shot went in was because he made the mistake of not getting his body behind the ball.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

*pisses in thread*

that was MY fault :up:

This thread is now one debating who, out of our two current keepers, is the shittest. :|

bye

*leaves*

 

[bigturnip]

So you would use sentiments over form as your criteria for picking a player? :shrug:

No, but where is the form you are referring to? I don't think our choice of keeper tomorrow is going to make any difference to the result, so it's an ideal opportunity for him to see whether Robinson has improved. Ramos would be stupid to leave a keeper, who until 6 months ago was England's Number 1, sitting on the sidelines without giving him an opportunity to prove himself again.

I don't necessarily think he should play in the cup final, I just think he deserves an opportunity to show if he has improved.

He obviously loves the club as he has shown that by his recent actions after the semi-final against Arsenal and before the Slavia Prague game, that counts for a lot in a cup final.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

in Ramos era, in footballing issues, it wouldn't be harsh on Cerny as Robbo didn't make too many mistakes with him, but in non-football issues, it would be very harsh for Cerny who respected all decisions and being backup for long time.

but in all time whatever MJ or JR era, it would be very harsh for Cerny ! not just because it was only two mistakes ( Man Utd 1-3 / Slavia 2-1 ) .. it is because Ronaldo goal was their third and not winning goal, too late, we were down to 10 men, and away from home ... and with Slavia goal, it was still away win 2-1 .. it could be effect at Home but we still have big chance in our hands in 90 mins. Not likes Robbo who costs us a lot of points and Carling cup semi-final last year, lot alone most of them at home .. and these sloppy mistakes seen by Spurs legends in 125 year match !!

 

[bjdspur]

Personally I would go for Robbo. I would say that Cerny's handling and decision making on crosses is better, but that Robbo's shot stopping is better (particularly now that our outfield players close down oppo players rather than giving them shooting practice).
The deciding factor for me is the kicking. Yes, robbo kicks it a hell of a lot further, but more importantly he kicks it where he wants it to go. Look back at the Slavia game and see how many times Cerny's clearances went straight to one of their players. Robbo just doesn't do that. On Sunday Chelsea will definately have long peiods of pressure: if we give it straight back to them uncontested then we'll succumb to the pressure. If Robbo gives (hoofs) it to Berba then the pressure will be relieved and we can hit them on the counter.

 

[General Levy]

Am sitting on the fence on this one:

Cerny's recent performance has been brilliant - very consistent. More clean sheets than Robbo's had for ages, great saves and only 1 cock up!

Robbo's lost confidence, had numerous cock ups, very few clean sheets, hasn't had a game since Janurary, but on form can be outstanding!

I'm worried that just because Robbo may get the place doesn't guarantee he'll put on a top performance. Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!!!

Hear her, hear her.

 

[Marty]

Say what you like, I believe that Robbo would've kept the same clean sheets Cerny has kept.
It's our defence that's improved beyond recognition with Ramos' organisational skills and Woody in.

 

[nickspurs]

Say what you like, I believe that Robbo would've kept the same clean sheets Cerny has kept.
It's our defence that's improved beyond recognition with Ramos' organisational skills and Woody in.

It's a fine point. There is no 'control experiment' where the back four and pre-Ramos tactical changes can be factored in to assess Robbo and Cerny's performances on a like-for-like basis

Mind you, if it were just science and stats managers like Ramos wouldn't get paid the big bucks to make these calls!