Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[mil1lion]

I know that. That's why I asked where you'd heard or seen it because initially you had used my name as your source of information and you had got that wrong.

Apologies for misinterpreting your one yesterday but your response today came across as pretty much like you were still assuming I was referring to yours. To be honest I interpret reference to changing the structure of a deal to still be changing the fee though but these new reports seem to suggest it's the total fee. Either way I'm not liking these reports when we seemed to have it all agreed already. Especially given had we just completed last week we might have him on tour now.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

Not directly asking you for the answer to this query, but why would our negotiation team/Levy believe that such a strategy with such an (apparent) low success rate is worth repeating or continuing for such a key player/position??

I just don't get it.

Maybe I'm not intelligent enough to understand this modus operandi.

I’d imagine Levy does this kind of thing on most deals from the sounds of it, obviously some he wins, some he loses, from the sounds of things he loses more often.
But it’s some form of game to him, like he’s got the ‘win’ .
This is what holds him and us back.

How he can’t see that is astonishing.
Some deals just get done, like our CB situation, he shouldn’t be messing around with this.

 

[spurslenny]

How he can’t see that is astonishing.
Some deals just get done, like our CB situation, he shouldn’t be messing around with this.

Thats what I mean.

Regardless what we think of Levy, he's clearly not an idiot to have got to where he's got to in life, but how can someone this astute have such a massive blindspot when it comes to this kind of thing. You'd think some level of flexibility would be applied to each and every situation?
Seemingly not.

 

[WiganSpur]

Or Dier - rewind back a couple of months to when Rashford lay that bare for every other striker that has pace.

Or Davies - rewind back a couple of months to when Mbeumo lay that bare for every other striker that has pace.

Or Rodon who struggled to get into the Rennes team that had a injury crisis in defence.

Why hasn't Sanchez been sold or released? If anything it clears a space for a youth player.

It's pure negligence at this point. If the fans can see it, what is the club doing. Let's just remember the Arse have just signed a reserve defender for £34M and spent £19M on another reserve in Jan.

I think most of the reason Dier gets cut so much slack is because he's English and a good character. But if we're going to be honest he can't be anything more than 4th choice for us, especially in a system which is not going to play to his strengths.

I'll give Levy some wriggle room for the next 2 weeks as clearly players are going to have to leave, and the lads are on tour now. But if we shift a few for a few quid and we get fuck all or bargain basement shit at the back by Shakhtar game then it is 2018 levels of clownery.

 

[Trix]

Apologies for misinterpreting your one yesterday but your response today came across as pretty much like you were still assuming I was referring to yours. To be honest I interpret reference to changing the structure of a deal to still be changing the fee though but these new reports seem to suggest it's the total fee. Either way I'm not liking these reports when we seemed to have it all agreed already. Especially given had we just completed last week we might have him on tour now.

No mate I was asking where you'd heard it because I hadn't seen anyone saying it. I don't do Twitter and from what I'm aware nothing has been on the mainstream media.

 

[spurslenny]

I think most of the reason Dier gets cut so much slack is because he's English a good character. But if we're going to be honest he can't be anything more than 4th choice for us, especially in a system which is not going to play to his strengths.

I'll give Levy some wriggle room for the next 2 weeks as clearly players are going to have to leave, and the lads are on tour now. But if we shift a few for a few quid and we get fuck all or bargain basement shit at the back by Shakhtar game then it is 2018 levels of clownery.

Unpopular opinion time, but im prepared to give Dier and Co (the players we've all written off as shit or 'just not good enough') the benefit of the doubt based on the fact they have had to endure playing in systems and under managers that just haven't been geared up to their strengths. They would probably never say it, but im sure they feel like they've been playing with a ball and chain round their ankles for the last 3/4years.

Maybe they are not up to the level we crave, but I'd be very interested to see how they perform under Ange's methods, systems, training sessions, tactics, and general improved atmosphere around the club.

Then if they're still shit, we burn them.

 

[Yid-ol]

Only reports I see when doing a quick Google search is that Wolfsburg now want closer to 40 million for him than the 30 that was talked about before. So to me the delay is due to them moving it and not wanting to sell than our end.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Only reports I see when doing a quick Google search is that Wolfsburg now want closer to 40 million for him than the 30 that was talked about before. So to me the delay is due to them moving it and not wanting to sell than our end.

That could well be as a result of us wanting to pay over a longer term. They won't do it for free.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Maybe they worked out we were getting a good deal and want a bit more icing

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Unpopular opinion time, but im prepared to give Dier and Co (the players we've all written off as shit or 'just not good enough') the benefit of the doubt based on the fact they have had to endure playing in systems and under managers that just haven't been geared up to their strengths. They would probably never say it, but im sure they feel like they've been playing with a ball and chain round their ankles for the last 3/4years.

Maybe they are not up to the level we crave, but I'd be very interested to see how they perform under Ange's methods, systems, training sessions, tactics, and general improved atmosphere around the club.

Then if they're still shit, we burn them.

If they’re shit we’ll have a bad start to the season, Postecoglou will get sacked, a new manager will come in and you’ll be wiping the slate clean again.

 

[WiganSpur]

Unpopular opinion time, but im prepared to give Dier and Co (the players we've all written off as shit or 'just not good enough') the benefit of the doubt based on the fact they have had to endure playing in systems and under managers that just haven't been geared up to their strengths. They would probably never say it, but im sure they feel like they've been playing with a ball and chain round their ankles for the last 3/4years.

Maybe they are not up to the level we crave, but I'd be very interested to see how they perform under Ange's methods, systems, training sessions, tactics, and general improved atmosphere around the club.

Then if they're still shit, we burn them.

Luckily with Dier and Sanchez they'll be out of contract so will have to play exceptionally to earn new deals. Historically these two have been very capable of performing for 3-4 month streaks so my worry is they'll hoodwink Ange into giving them lucrative new deals and then regress to their usual selves within a few weeks.

I know it's said that it'll take time with Ange, but getting some new CBs will accelerate that process enough so give us a slither of a chance of keeping Kane. If these two are starting for us they'll be found out by next season and at that point Kane is walking out the building on a free as we finish in the bottom half due to the amount of goals we'll likely ship.

 

[Yid-ol]

That could well be as a result of us wanting to pay over a longer term. They won't do it for free.

Didn't know that! Trying to catch up with what I have missed over the last week as been away.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Not directly asking you for the answer to this query, but why would our negotiation team/Levy believe that such a strategy with such an (apparent) low success rate is worth repeating or continuing for such a key player/position??

I just don't get it.

Maybe I'm not intelligent enough to understand this modus operandi.

I think this is just how it goes. I doubt there are many (if any) clubs out there just paying a fee up front, even those with loads of money. Chelsea have been structuring payments over 8 years, Arsenal spent about 2 weeks trying to nail down payment terms with West Ham even after agreeing a fee.

I’m sure Levy takes it to an extreme, but it seems like discussions are continuing and I think there would be a lot more noise about it being definitely off if we’d stepped away (or Wolfsburg) from the negotiating table.

 

[WiganSpur]

If they’re shit we’ll have a bad start to the season, Postecoglou will get sacked, a new manager will come in and you’ll be wiping the slate clean again.

Maybe pretty unlikely to happen, but if we signed no defenders and Romero was to pick up an injury or two leaving Sanchez and Dier starting every game you can see us sliding enough to get Levy tetchy. He isn't the most patient bloke when it comes to managers.

 

[mil1lion]

No mate I was asking where you'd heard it because I hadn't seen anyone saying it. I don't do Twitter and from what I'm aware nothing has been on the mainstream media.

I think the post might have been removed as I'm sure someone posted something just before me. My comment was off the back of that so looks out of place now I think it was an aggregator saying we agreed the fee and then tried to change it. Someone suggested it might be OK to post because he works with a trusted reporter (POK I think).

 

[TheChosenOne]

I think this is just how it goes. I doubt there are many (if any) clubs out there just paying a fee up front, even those with loads of money. Chelsea have been structuring payments over 8 years, Arsenal spent about 2 weeks trying to nail down payment terms with West Ham even after agreeing a fee.

I’m sure Levy takes it to an extreme, but it seems like discussions are continuing and I think there would be a lot more noise about it being definitely off if we’d stepped away (or Wolfsburg) from the negotiating table.

I heard the Rice fee of £105 was to be paid in 3 instalments of 2 years.

Arsenal went for this becuse the cost was able to be spread over 3 financial years.

 

[Cinemattis]

I’m by no means an Enic/Levy fan when it comes to build a good squad (they’re great property developers though!).

But, just as a thought:

If “everyone and their dog” know we are in dire need of CBs wouldn’t that also include the decision makers at Wolfsburg and Leverkusen?

And we all remember how we got “Levy’d” in January over the Porro deal when the goal posts where being moved constantly - by the selling club?

Could it be, that this time it is not us but them?

Initially I was all onboard the Levy Blame Train, and I haven’t jumped off it totally yet, but maybe, just maybe …?

EDIT:
Reread Trix’ post where he clarified in very clear terms that it is us that are the culprits this time. Back on the blame train, ready to shuffle coal!

 

[Trix]

I think the post might have been removed as I'm sure someone posted something just before me. My comment was off the back of that so looks out of place now I think it was an aggregator saying we agreed the fee and then tried to change it. Someone suggested it might be OK to post because he works with a trusted reporter (POK I think).

well as far as I'm aware we have not tried to change the fee.

 

[robertgoulet]

well as far as I'm aware we have not tried to change the fee.

DL's gone to the car dealership, agreed to the terms, then when the paperwork came out said he wants to extend the term another 12 months with no rate increase.

 

[SpursJC]

I’m by no means an Enic/Levy fan when it comes to build a good squad (they’re great property developers though!).

But, just as a thought:

If “everyone and their dog” know we are in dire need of CBs wouldn’t that also include the decision makers at Wolfsburg and Leverkusen?
And we all remember how we got “Levy’d” in January over the Porro deal when the goal posts where being moved constantly - by the selling club?

Could it be, that this time it is not us but them?

Initially I was all onboard the Levy Blame Train, and I haven’t jumped off it totally yet, but maybe, just maybe …?

It’s also Levy’s fault we are at the stage of everyone knowing we desperately need Centre backs by going cheap with Rodon and Lenglet when our managers at the time were requesting upgrades