Player Watch Player Watch: Manor Solomon

[arunspurs]

You need to go back and have a listen to Harry's interview regarding VDV. It was Redknapp who 100% had the final decision on VDV. Levy approached him and said "we've been offered VDV it needs to be done quickly do you want him." Not sure about Jan tbh.

Jan is on record to say, Redknapp wanted him & spoke to him. Then Redknapp got sacked . Jan still signed the deal saying he wanted to play for the club regardless of who the manager is. So, in way , we did the deal prior to AVB taking over

 

[Jody]

I know that mate but it doesn't work like that, it can't work like that.

I agree in principle but you must have a line somewhere Trix? E.g. Mbappe on a free etc.

 

[RELISYS]

Not much point in having a Scouting Network/Scouts if you are going to limit yourself to who the Manager/DOF want. I think a balance needs to be struck.

So long as they are being brought in for the right reasons, ability/potential and fits within a defined philosophy, It shouldn't matter who wants/recommends them, Manager/DOF/Scouts.

Obviously there is the argument that the Manager won't play them, well Football is full of risk. If they are of the right quality and attitude then only the most stubborn of Managers would refuse to play them. The next manager might not want Richarlison, Kulusevski or Romero either.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Not much point in having a Scouting Network/Scouts if you are going to limit yourself to who the Manager/DOF want. I

Sorry, but I don't want the scouts deciding what types of players or what style of football the team are going to play.

 

[wrd]

I think the question worth asking is this; How can people criticise Levy for being a control freak who should stop meddling and stop making decisions as if he knows best sit here and suggest that it's okay to forego following a simple pipeline where a manager should be employed and get to make the final decision on what players make up his squad.

Do you not realise that the behaviour that you're exhibiting is the very same attitude and basically saying you'd do similar actions if you felt it was worth it.

As far as I'm concerned this is the problem these days with most things both in football and in general, people hold others to one standard and then have another for themselves because it's okay for them to lower the standards because they know best. Honestly it completely negates the criticism that people throw Levy's way when you openly say it's okay to dismiss the structure because you rate a player. It's exactly what Levy and the board have been doing and the exact reason we have no direction because people just do what they want based on their own feelings instead of having a clearly defined structure. Be consistent, for better or for worse.

 

[wrd]

Not much point in having a Scouting Network/Scouts if you are going to limit yourself to who the Manager/DOF want. I think a balance needs to be struck.

So long as they are being brought in for the right reasons, ability/potential and fits within a defined philosophy, It shouldn't matter who wants/recommends them, Manager/DOF/Scouts.

Obviously there is the argument that the Manager won't play them, well Football is full of risk. If they are of the right quality and attitude then only the most stubborn of Managers would refuse to play them. The next manager might not want Richarlison, Kulusevski or Romero either.

It's not true at all, you have a structure, it's a through line, the scouting network scouts should be serving the vision agreed with the DoF and the manager. They do their job, present it to manager and DoF. They agree on which players best suit and then the DoF pursues the deal. The manager gives final approval based on how that deal fits in relation to other deals with in's and out's as relayed by the DoF. It doesn't in any shape or form, negate the need for a scouting network, it utilises it to fit the direction the club is heading.

 

[septicsac]

Certainly looks like he has something about him this kid. While I thoroughly agree with Trix that it shoiud be the manager or DOF or preferably both making the decision, this is not the way we do business and I do not see Levy changing his stripes now.

 

[Tucker]

It’s worth noting that we haven’t actually signed him yet, so we could well get the new managers thoughts on him before we actually do the deal.

Let’s not call room service before the bed is shat.

 

[Flobadob]

Paratici, Gabbanini, other scouts still involved, hasn’t signed yet, been suggested signings will be lined up and signed off on by the new DOF/manager by other ITK. People just want to find another thread to moan about Levy and the board and it’s fucking boring honestly. Can anyone manage to talk about the player and what style of manager he would be suited to? Would be far more interesting and actually relevant reading than coming up with scenarios that haven’t and have no hint of happening like signing him without a manager’s consent

 

[wrd]

It’s worth noting that we haven’t actually signed him yet, so we could well get the new managers thoughts on him before we actually do the deal.

Let’s not call room service before the bed is shat.

I agree with that, I'm not directing my points at the club because it's all just story at the moment but rather that people will flipflop on their argument about whether the board doing things out of sequence dependent on whether they personally rate a player or not. Looks a great player to me but let's get the manager sorted and let's see if he feels the same. I think people that flipflop probably should consider whether it invalidates their gripes with the board if they themselves are inconsistent.

 

[MunkoSpurs]

I can understand Trix's point about perceived board signings without a manager/DOF being appointed.

However, the club have a scouting department in place and they can't sit around twiddling their thumbs until a manager/DOF has been decided and a plan put into place. There's still a massive job to be done on player recruitment and in the meantime players need to be looked at and deals put in place should the new manager want them. This could be a player that has been tracked for a while, scouted and recommended by football people employed by the club. I doubt this is Levy going for a player just because he's cheap.

I don't think there are any reports suggesting that this is signed and sealed and I don't see a problem with the club, working with their scouting department, to proactively look at players and potentially line up deals. I would expect and hope though that the new manager will have the final say.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

So does this mean it’s actually going to get done? That’s quite exciting. 1. To @Trix point, I absolutely agree and get it, seems like it will never change so perhaps the approach to hire a coach that works without demanding much control in terms of personnel? You cannot sign players that the coach won’t play. 2. To @Hercules point, Manor Solomon is a top talent and for free so I totally get his point. I happen to think he’s very versatile so any coach would like to have him at their disposal and he’s still improving. The scouting team needs to continue working, no matter what and he’s apparently someone we’ve tracked for 2 years.
At the end of the day, we cannot use wages or transfer resources on players that the coach will not play!

 

[Snarfalicious]

I disagree with the board having the power to sign a bad player. I agree with the board having the power to sign a good player.

 

[Japhet]

If we shouldn't sign any player without the say so of the Manager and DoF, that surely means we should be taking a pass on Kulusevski. Doesn't work for me.

 

[Trix]

I agree in principle but you must have a line somewhere Trix? E.g. Mbappe on a free etc.

No I don't, I've watched this board do this time and time again and seen how much it's cost us financially, how it's strained relationships with managers and how it affects the squad when there is a discontented player in there the manager doesn't want. I don't want them anywhere near the decisions of buying and selling the players. No line for me on this one. If you say it's ok on player x then it's ok on all of them imo.

 

[Trix]

I can understand Trix's point about perceived board signings without a manager/DOF being appointed.

However, the club have a scouting department in place and they can't sit around twiddling their thumbs until a manager/DOF has been decided and a plan put into place. There's still a massive job to be done on player recruitment and in the meantime players need to be looked at and deals put in place should the new manager want them. This could be a player that has been tracked for a while, scouted and recommended by football people employed by the club. I doubt this is Levy going for a player just because he's cheap.

I don't think there are any reports suggesting that this is signed and sealed and I don't see a problem with the club, working with their scouting department, to proactively look at players and potentially line up deals. I would expect and hope though that the new manager will have the final say.

Indeed and a limited budget to do so. Signing players the new manager doesn't see as required for his side is money down the drain yet again, and again leaves us short in key areas. I'll repeat I think Solomon is a good player and if the new guys coming in think he's right I'm all for it, but not before.

 

[djhotspur]

Indeed and a limited budget to do so. Signing players the new manager doesn't see as required for his side is money down the drain yet again, and again leaves us short in key areas. I'll repeat I think Solomon is a good player and if the new guys coming in think he's right I'm all for it, but not before.

Completely agree with everything you’re saying. Probably not gonna get a manager or dof in in time to sign any bloody players at this rate.

 

[thecook]

I'm all for having potential transfers lined up and ready for the new manager to sign off on, should the new manager then want them. It even makes us look professional and prepared for once!

 

[MunkoSpurs]

Indeed and a limited budget to do so. Signing players the new manager doesn't see as required for his side is money down the drain yet again, and again leaves us short in key areas. I'll repeat I think Solomon is a good player and if the new guys coming in think he's right I'm all for it, but not before.

The point is though that the club should, in my opinion, be working on potential deals, ready to put to the new manager when he's appointed. There's nothing at the moment to suggest that new players will be signed beforehand.

If there is to be a limited budget then surely a transfer like this is beneficial and not too much outlay and not much risk. With a squad consisting of Kane, Son, Richy and maybe Kulu, improving on these players will be expensive when I agree, other areas are key. With Lucas and probably Danjuma leaving, back up is needed.

If huge funds are potentially being allocated to a GK or CB, without the new managers agreement, I would be a lot more concerned.

 

[Trix]

The point is though that the club should, in my opinion, be working on potential deals, ready to put to the new manager when he's appointed. There's nothing at the moment to suggest that new players will be signed beforehand.

If there is to be a limited budget then surely a transfer like this is beneficial and not too much outlay and not much risk. With a squad consisting of Kane, Son, Richy and maybe Kulu, improving on these players will be expensive when I agree, other areas are key. With Lucas and probably Danjuma leaving, back up is needed.

If huge funds are potentially being allocated to a GK or CB, without the new managers agreement, I would be a lot more concerned.

Not if he doesn't get used it's not it's money down the drain.