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Player watch: Josh Onomah

SpursD22

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It's a shame he turned down a big money move to City to play for the club he has supported and grown up in and 3 years later may end up going there anyway due to not being give a chance

This for me is the saddest part. He wants to play for us but he’s smart enough to understand that if he doesn’t get game time he will leave. It would break my heart if he did leave
 

rocklink

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IGSPUR. McDermott would throw his missiles out if we sold Josh. Poch rates him highly, but concerned about his mentality, which I personally think is absolutely ridiculous. I know Josh and his family well. The guy has soooo much class, he is MILES ahead of Winks! Not just my opinion, as I know him also.

I personally believe he would of offered more than Sissoko, and we did want to bring him back, but he does not want to come and sit on the bench, getting bit-part again.

I can also confirm that’s 2 of the present top 4 are keeping close, and citeh especially, still rate him. Their committee of you can call it that. He will not come back even in summer, just to be a squad player, and will want a permanent transfer of that is the case.
Poch and his ridiculous notion of bad mentality of a player.. how do poch measure's mentality of a player? At the end of the day, poch is the one who is playing sissoko match after match and got rid off bentaleb and onomah by giving the excuse of mentality
 
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thefierycamel

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If anyone honestly believes that sissoko is better than onomah then jesus christ, they're deluded. One can pass the ball forwards, dribble and beat players, the other needs 3 touches just to stop it. Against teams who sit back sissoko is useless, very surprised that winks didn't start yesterday. Sissoko has improved but he's a mid table sort of player, not a top 4 player. I'm starting to question poch, which I hate; edwards, kwp and onomah should all have played a lot more for the first team. Very disappointing at the moment
 

spurs9

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Between the clown show game, the itk thread and this latest stuff in here, im getting very disillusioned again. We just continuously fuck up in multiple ways.
I'm usually pretty positive but completely agree, I keep defending Poch with his youth policy but it is getting harder and harder to do so and @Hercules has really pissed on my cornflakes with his ITK today (no offence hercs) and our transfer policy (or lack of) seems all too familiar.

If we don't either sign a new CM or recall Onomah in January, we are fools.
 

taidgh

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Thanks for sharing mate.



Can you just clarify what you mean. Is that your opinion or McDermott also thinks Onomah is miles ahead of Winks, which is also what I believe.


Recent ITK suggests KWP has been working his ass off and one of the best trainers. Anyone that has seen KWP knows he works his ass off, so not that I would doubt what was said that reinforces it. Yet he still isn't given chances. No guarantee that working hard and showing ability will get you a chance. I've heard that Onomah works hard in training too as suggested by SpursD22 plus I remember Lyall Thomas tweeting that Onomah was working the hardest in training during a period of time. If that is the case and he isn't now, though he came in early at preseason maybe he is growing disillusioned that no matter how hard he works he still isn't getting the chances despite proving his talent for the last 10 years and being called 'special' by Poch. I'd grow tired if I was called special, told if I worked hard I would also get a chance and it still never happened. How does a player go from special to not good enough under Poch's tutelage? As we've said should Onomah come through Poch will get the praise but Onomah will get the blame if he doesn't. I wouldn't blame KWP either if he got frustrated, they're humans after all


I won't go into 'whataboutisms' for first teamers, but how can an academy player switching-off be a mark against? If you're waiting for an academy player with 100% concentration at all times, we will be waiting for a long time



Mark against for choosing to stay behind on some occasions and do extra work?



I know for a fact Winks also did the same. The season before last he was asking Poch to go on loan, and play for the u23s, and to be given a chance in the first team. The most enjoyable part of that season for him was when he got to play for England against Canada as he played zero minutes for us that season. That hasn't affected Winks.

You know my opinion, it looks like more excuses to avoid taking the risk on any academy players, or waiting for a perfect set of circumstances to give a player a chance. Frustrating but Poch can do what he wants.

I think perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. I'm definitely not saying all I wrote is true or what is really happening. I have no more knowledge of the situation than any other average punter. I'm just presenting one opinion on what is going on regarding one side of the issue.

What I do believe to be true is that Poch wants to see a consistent level of effort and performance. Based on the current situation, it's easy to suppose that Josh hasn't shown enough for Poch's liking. Fair enough if you want to blame Poch, but I find it hard to believe that Poch has failed to communicate his opinion of what he wan't Josh to improve on. That Josh hasn't forced his way in has to be in some way placed at Josh's feet as well.

At the end of the day, I think Poch has been fantastic for this club. He has built up so much credit, I'm willing to get over him not giving youth a chance. I get why others feel differently. To be fair though, clubs like Chelsea and Man City haven't fared too poorly buying ready-made players. Perhaps at the top of the PL, youth just doesn't get enough of a chance. Margins are too thin.

As stated before, I respect the youth watchers' opinions on these sort of matters. Furthermore, I can understand the frustration of seeing these players develop and then not get the chances they perhaps deserve. I don't know what to say. Maybe like as with many other things, modern football is to blame.
 

agrdavidsfan

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I think he will leave at the end of the season.

He deserves it as well, he's not once been played in his correct position fans are on his back calling him awful? when he's been played as a winger which is not natural to him.

Josh is good enough and deserves the chance to go and play in his natural position for the development of his career.

Is Josh a spurs fan also? If he is just imagine how he must feel that he can not get a chance to show what he can do for this club.
 

coys200

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Between the clown show game, the itk thread and this latest stuff in here, im getting very disillusioned again. We just continuously fuck up in multiple ways.

You think we fuck up. Arsenal are losing there 2 best players for nothing and have another 5 key players with 1 year left this summer. Liverpool are about to lose emre can a £35m player at least for nothing. Chelsea lost costa for the donkey morata and about to lose Luiz after losing matic De Bruyne And Salah. United have spent £350m and are no better. I’ll just throw in West Ham and Everton for shits and giggles. I’d say on the fuck up list we are pretty low down as i peer out at our squad valued 2nd behind city and a brand new 61k stadium.
 

coys200

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Hercules I respect your input on this forum. You may have an opinion on winks and Onomah. But to say Onomah is miles ahead is just ridiculous. Winks is an England international with decent chance of going to World Cup. Onomah is Playing in the championship and not even holding down a regular place. These are just the cold hard facts.
 

Lilbaz

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Poch and his ridiculous notion of bad mentality of a player.. how do poch measure's mentality of a player? At the end of the day, poch is the one who is playing sissoko match after match and got rid off bentaleb and onomah by giving the excuse of mentality

He does a rorschach test. If you see two cows in a field playing with a butterfly you fail.
 

Flashspur

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I think Josh has amazing potential. Personally would hate to see him fail. Clearly Poch rates him and that is why he agreed for him to be loaned. I think the Championship is always a battle. But if you have doubts on a lads mentality then what better place to test that out? Harry did his time there and it worked out so lets not start getting negative about this.
 

Lilbaz

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I think Josh has amazing potential. Personally would hate to see him fail. Clearly Poch rates him and that is why he agreed for him to be loaned. I think the Championship is always a battle. But if you have doubts on a lads mentality then what better place to test that out? Harry did his time there and it worked out so lets not start getting negative about this.

You d'oh rate my rorschach test post? You butterfly loving cow freak!

Yes i am still drunk.
 

KingKay

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Hercules I respect your input on this forum. You may have an opinion on winks and Onomah. But to say Onomah is miles ahead is just ridiculous. Winks is an England international with decent chance of going to World Cup. Onomah is Playing in the championship and not even holding down a regular place. These are just the cold hard facts.
Exactly, there’s a line between opinion and ITK. Hopefully people can separate the two.
 

ljinko888

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If we're not bringing a midfield player this month - or anyone in for that matter - the manager should bring him back. There is an opportunity with Dembele's drop off for Onomah to prove himself. At worst we'll know for sure he is not up to it but the optimistic side is we can save our money if he does well.
 

Blake Griffin

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Hercules I respect your input on this forum. You may have an opinion on winks and Onomah. But to say Onomah is miles ahead is just ridiculous. Winks is an England international with decent chance of going to World Cup. Onomah is Playing in the championship and not even holding down a regular place. These are just the cold hard facts.

i think miles ahead is a bit much but in pure ability and potential terms he is ahead, it just hasn't quite fallen the right way for him yet. to put it into terms that might be more relatable for you; you've seen edwards and shashoua play a bit now and i'm sure you rate edwards the higher of the two but now let's say poch gives edwards a chance but plays him out of position and as a result he fails to make much of an impact, then a short while later shashoua gets his chance but this time is played in his actual position and does well. then you see spurs fans saying they don't see it with edwards but shashoua looks a talent, you would probably find that difficult to accept when you've seen them play together and the former has always stood out just that little bit more, well this is the case with onomah and winks.

i'm not saying there's a perfect correlation between performances at youth level and how they'll cope in the first team but it is typically a decent barometer no matter how much fans like to downplay the relevance of youth football. winks deserves everything he's gotten because he's earned it but at the same time i do think he has been given a better platform to display his ability than what onomah has so far.
 

wrd

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I'd feel fucking sick if we let Onomah go without him getting an opportunity. He looked fucking brilliant at world cup and to hear he's having to hear from his friends the shit posted in here before he's ever been given a prem start makes it even worse.
 
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