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Tucker

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I’m guessing Betis playing silly buggers is where the Dybala link popped up from.

I get why people are panicking, but I think a lot of it stems from assuming that deals are done, things change rapidly in football, and there’s always a transfer or two where the selling club pulls the rug and gets greedy. Every year we have a similar situation, it doesn’t just happen to us either. It’s very easy to sit in our Spurs bubble and think we are the only ones who get messed around, but that’s obviously not the case.

I’m confident that we will get this one sorted soon, and if we don’t, we will likely move on to Dybala.
 

Stamford

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The basic facts are these:

We have substantial funds and seem willing to back the manager in rebuilding the team.

There is little evidence of that. We bought a very good player but everywhere you turn clubs are buying players you dont expect them to, Arsenal, Everton even the likes of Villa. If this is us rebuilding then we are screwed. I'm holding out hope that Levy comes through for us.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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I’m guessing Betis playing silly buggers is where the Dybala link popped up from.

I get why people are panicking, but I think a lot of it stems from assuming that deals are done, things change rapidly in football, and there’s always a transfer or two where the selling club pulls the rug and gets greedy. Every year we have a similar situation, it doesn’t just happen to us either. It’s very easy to sit in our Spurs bubble and think we are the only ones who get messed around, but that’s obviously not the case.

I’m confident that we will get this one sorted soon, and if we don’t, we will likely move on to Dybala.
I think you’re absolutely right. But I don’t think Dybala will happen if the Lo Celso deal falls apart. He’s allegedly got other suitors and there’s so little time left to negotiate a deal of that kind of magnitude given the finances involved. That’s my anxiety; RB alienate us, we walk away and we don’t have time to secure another option
 

Tucker

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I think you’re absolutely right. But I don’t think Dybala will happen if the Lo Celso deal falls apart. He’s allegedly got other suitors and there’s so little time left to negotiate a deal of that kind of magnitude given the finances involved. That’s my anxiety; RB alienate us, we walk away and we don’t have time to secure another option

Maybe, but who knows, like I said, things can happen quickly. We obviously have plenty of cash this year too after the CL run and self imposed transfer ban.
 

daniel chagas

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Well, this should change now that Lo Celso is back at Sevilla, if we are agreeing with them and they keep changing in the last minute, with the player around maybe he will force the transfer.

This really sucks. I don't think we have enough time to move for Dybala, but I hope that Juve already has one bid from us in hand.
 

Amo

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The reality is is that we're so invested in our own club that we don't look at how other clubs are doing. United have been after Bruno Fernandes since, what, the beginning of the window? They've been linked with him in the media for about as long, if not longer, than we have Lo Celso, but when they announce his signing this week, I'm sure our fans will use it as an excuse to criticise Levy.

That's just one example, but it happens with every club. The reality is is that we know too much, too early, so every transfer is an excuse to beat Levy on the head with. When Son was linked with us and then signed a day later, it was deemed as a masterstroke, but that's only because the media hadn't got wind of the (I assume) months of negotiation involved beforehand that we weren't privy to; something similar happened with Sanchez I believe, which had a pretty quick turnaround of a couple of weeks from media reporting it to him holding the shirt.

I'm a pretty big critic of Levy and he certainly has previous - our last several windows are proof of that - but the idea that other clubs are somehow nonchalantly breezing through their transfer business is nonsense.

That research project is getting ever more tempting by the day.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Maybe, but who knows, like I said, things can happen quickly. We obviously have plenty of cash this year too after the CL run and self imposed transfer ban.
I just want this window over and all our targets secured. I’m actually waking up in the middle of the night to check for updates. It’s ageing me horrifically. Before the window I had skin as smooth as marble, now I look like the upper part of my body got stuck in an elephant’s ballsack
 

Tucker

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I just want this window over and all our targets secured. I’m actually waking up in the middle of the night to check for updates. It’s ageing me horrifically. Before the window I had skin as smooth as marble, now I look like the upper part of my body got stuck in an elephant’s ballsack

Personally think we should call their bluff and withdraw our bid. Get on the Dybala train before it’s too late.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Levy just has the worst luck in transfers. Every club we engage in move the goal posts on him so we are told. It’s amazing how every other club in world football doesn’t run into the same difficulty completing transfers. Life is rough for short, bald guys I guess.

Ironic how just minutes later after this post we get ITK on how goalposts have been moved. Surely nobody can accept this as an excuse anymore from the Club, its been happening for far too long to just be accepted, We either have to change the way we operate or move onto other targets instead of being left short once again
 

anydange

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Personally think we should call their bluff and withdraw our bid. Get on the Dybala train before it’s too late.

If we're seriously interested in PD then I'm pretty sure we'd already be negotiating no? The two aren't mutually exclusive.
 

arunspurs

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Why are people thinking Dybala is on ?
We only showed some interest. But the fact that club leaked the info themselves means there is no real interest on him...I believe the leak was mainly to put pressure on Betis

We dont have any chance of signing Bale given money involved. But I would say, we have more chance of landing Bale than Dybala.
 

voxy28

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This has Berahino written over it...?

Don’t put any hopes in this deal, window close and he is snap up by other club for lesser amount as reported. ?
 

Darth Vega

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That research project is getting ever more tempting by the day.

Sure.

To prove my point, Man City - who've an infinite pot of money - were linked with Rodri as early as mid-May. Rodri has a release clause. All City had to do was what our fans are so desperate for Levy to do every single time and just 'pay the asking price'. They've pretty much got a blank cheque after all. Didn't sign him until July 4th.

It took 6 weeks for one of the richest club's on the planet to simply pay a player's release clause, yet we are expected to complete incredibly complex, multi-million pound negotiations in no time at all?

If we fail to get Poch's targets by the end of the window, Levy will have categorically failed (yet again) - of that there is no doubt - but I reiterate, to assume we're the only club that runs into trouble with transfers is patently false.
 

Ben1

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The reality is is that we're so invested in our own club that we don't look at how other clubs are doing. United have been after Bruno Fernandes since, what, the beginning of the window? They've been linked with him in the media for about as long, if not longer, than we have Lo Celso, but when they announce his signing this week, I'm sure our fans will use it as an excuse to criticise Levy.

That's just one example, but it happens with every club. The reality is is that we know too much, too early, so every transfer is an excuse to beat Levy over the head with. When Son was linked with us and then signed a day later, it was deemed as a masterstroke, but that's only because the media hadn't got wind of the (I assume) months of negotiation involved beforehand that we weren't privy to; something similar happened with Sanchez I believe, which had a pretty quick turnaround of a couple of weeks from media reporting it to him holding the shirt.

I'm a pretty big critic of Levy and he certainly has previous - our last several windows are proof of that - but the idea that other clubs are somehow nonchalantly breezing through their transfer business is nonsense.
To back this up, there have only been 3 deals clearing the 50mil mark so far in England this summer. Ndombele, AWB and Rodri. Big deals are difficult to do. City failed for Cancelo, Maguire hasn't moved, Bruno hasn't moved, Pepe isn't an arsenal player yet, Zaha hasn't moved.
 

joelstinton14

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Ironic how just minutes later after this post we get ITK on how goalposts have been moved. Surely nobody can accept this as an excuse anymore from the Club, its been happening for far too long to just be accepted, We either have to change the way we operate or move onto other targets instead of being left short once again

I think we need a neutral tin foil hat rating ?
 

Trotter

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Sure.

To prove my point, Man City - who've an infinite pot of money - were linked with Rodri as early as mid-May. Rodri has a release clause. All City had to do was what our fans are so desperate for Levy to do every single time and just 'pay the asking price'. They've pretty much got a blank cheque after all. Didn't sign him until July 4th.

It took 6 weeks for one of the richest club's on the planet to simply pay a player's release clause, yet we are expected to complete incredibly complex, multi-million pound negotiations in no time at all?

If we fail to get Poch's targets by the end of the window, Levy will have categorically failed (yet again) - of that there is no doubt - but I reiterate, to assume we're the only club that runs into trouble with transfers is patently false.


You do realise there are no games after mid-May,
Why would they pay the release clause and therefore his wages, before he could actually start training and getting acclimatised for them.
Sorry that is such a bad example.
Only team you can compare our transfer strategy with seems to be Manchester United, and Woodward does not seem to have the best reputation out there.
 

Amo

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Sure.

To prove my point, Man City - who've an infinite pot of money - were linked with Rodri as early as mid-May. Rodri has a release clause. All City had to do was what our fans are so desperate for Levy to do every single time and just 'pay the asking price'. They've pretty much got a blank cheque after all. Didn't sign him until July 4th.

It took 6 weeks for one of the richest club's on the planet to simply pay a player's release clause, yet we are expected to complete incredibly complex, multi-million pound negotiations in no time at all?

If we fail to get Poch's targets by the end of the window, Levy will have categorically failed (yet again) - of that there is no doubt - but I reiterate, to assume we're the only club that runs into trouble with transfers is patently false.

Eh it's not like there's a straight choice between not buying anyone and paying the full asking price for every player.
 

Darth Vega

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You do realise there are no games after mid-May
Why would they pay the release clause and therefore his wages, before he could actually start training and getting acclimatised for them.
Sorry that is such a bad example.
Only team you can compare our transfer strategy with seems to be Manchester United, and Woodward does not seem to have the best reputation out there.

Tell that to our fans who desperately want us to have had Lo Celso and Sessegnon done by now despite the former only returning to training today and the latter carrying an injury.

Eh it's not like there's a straight choice between not buying anyone and paying the full asking price for every player.

You can be as facetious as you please, but you've failed to provide any evidence of other clubs breezing through their transfer business without fail. All of our top 6 rivals have (and are) facing issues to some extent.
 
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