Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[Aphex]

Thinking about it, not sure I want us to move on to other targets and then have to make consessions elsewhere.


I'd much rather sign Spence, and sign a top CB and AM, rather than spend a load of wedge on a different RWB and have to make do with back ups elsewhere. Mainly because I am not sure what other RWBs there are, whereas there are lots of top CBs and AM's we could sign.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Here's a question.... How many of you think he'll be coming in as the first choice option? I personally think he will be the understudy rotation option for Doherty initially.

If we go a different way we may end up with a first choice RWB and a rotation option elsewhere.

I keep using the term "fluid" when talking about a mass rebuild window, because it's about best improving the squad as a whole with the funds available, and there are numerous paths for doing so. It's not just about buying the best available player for each position until you run out of money.

I doubt there'll be more than 2 debut starts against Soton. Probably Perisic and Bissouma. And I wouldn't be surprised to see the same starting 11 against Chelsea, either.

 

[Trix]

I have no problem with opinions, even if they don't agree with mine. None at all. I also add that i disagree with others comments occasionally, I understand why it's there.

For the record, I asked which part of my post people were disagreeing with, that's all, the amount extra we might need to pay, the get it done etc. Purely for my knowledge.

I must add, there are one or two on here that love to pull a post apart, even though they can see what it's trying to get at. I know I'm not the first to say that either.

Just because you don't agree with my comments, doesn't make me wrong does it?

No, it just means I think you are wrong.

Let's face it though mate, this is going nowhere. Best for the thread if you just let it lie now.

 

[Hoddle1982]

Would Spence come in and start as first choice?
If not we really should be signing someone better.
If he is to be first choice and integral for Conte then this should have been done already.
Surely we cannot go into the season with Matt Doherty as our number one RWB. We need better.
Excellent signings so far, but RWB is probably our weakest position to be sorted.

 

[bigblue]

I think we need to trust Spurs on this one… they’ve earned some faith with what they’ve spent/achieved in the past few weeks.

It’s logical to me we need to pay a little more than Forest (they will have paid a loan fee/wages last season) and ITK has indicated we’ve indeed offered more. But if the difference in price is a piss-take and/or clubs other than Forest are being quoted a lower fee, then Gibson is trying it on and we absolutely should stand firm.

I like Spence and we do need a RWB (Emerson is a full back rather than a wing back IMO) but like Trix has said, Spence isn’t the only one out there.

 

[Timberwolf]

He's a millionaire dealing with a billionaire's club. I think he's so desperate to 'win' the deal he's cutting his nose off to spite his face.
Like Peace (?) did with Saido Berahino all those years ago.

Yeah this is my read on the situation. While every club wants their chairman to negotiate hard and get good value for their players I wonder if this deal is veering into a clash of egos and 'winning' the negotiation, rather than doing what's best for all parties.

While Levy has made some stupendous sales over the years (e.g. world record transfer for Bale) and did us a big favour by being hard-nosed over the Kane deal last summer, there are also plenty of occasions when he's priced fringe players out of the market and it's hurt us. One of the big reasons we struggled in the later years under Poch was because we were so slow to move players on and reinvest that money in refreshing the squad.

Sometimes when you have a player you don't want and there's a good offer for them on the table, the best thing to do is just take the money and move on.

 

[wrd]

Thinking about it, not sure I want us to move on to other targets and then have to make consessions elsewhere.


I'd much rather sign Spence, and sign a top CB and AM, rather than spend a load of wedge on a different RWB and have to make do with back ups elsewhere. Mainly because I am not sure what other RWBs there are, whereas there are lots of top CBs and AM's we could sign.

Yep I have the same feeling but I think Paratici has earnt our trust in terms of finding suitable alternatives thus far so I'm looking forward to seeing what names crop up.

 

[mattspur1]

No, it just means I think you are wrong.

Let's face it though mate, this is going nowhere. Best for the thread if you just let it lie now.

Happy too, although there were 2 involved in this discussion. ?

 

[Scouseyid]

Are the 'disagrees' on this because you believe paying 15-20m won't make him look like a bargain? Just interested to know.

I honestly believe he will become a full international and if we don't pay the extra £2m, we will look back in 3 or 4 years and wish we did.

Nah, it's because you're wrong. This "get it done" attitude, worrying about what may be in several years time is both counter-productive & a bit dumb.

A buying club always has a value of a player they wish to purchase & a set sum of money they're prepared to negotiate to. That's sensible & the correct way to go about it.

Spurs know other clubs have been quoted a lower fee but probably understand there's the "Spurs/UCL" tax but there may also be a sense of a chairman being somewhat stubborn. However, when said chairman doubles-down on this position to the point where negotiating isn't really occurring and its clear they're taking the piss, then Spurs should have the balls to walk away!

Let Gibson trip himself up!

 

[mil1lion]

I think he's still the best option available. That's not to say we shouldn't have other deals lined up and ready just in case though. Hopefully Gibson sees sense and takes the money. I just think it's PR spin to make it known he really fought off a big club. He's the perfect player for Conte to mould and probably the best homegrown option available. I really think he can follow in the footsteps of Rose and Walker.

 

[$hoguN]

Ah.. I see we have reached the "we can do better than him" stage of the transfer

I don’t think we are. I think there is just an understanding that as trix keeps saying. This window isn’t about a rigid plan but generally improving the overall squad. If we can’t get Spence at a sensible price then we will move on. That may mean we don’t get our 1st choose ST or AM instead but go with a back up there to allow us to bring in potentially a different RWB now

 

[razor1981]

confused dot com
Out of the 25 players, there can be only 17 'non-home grown' senior players. So the rest eight must be 'home-grown' players if a team needs to fulfill the maximum quota of 25. A non-home grown player can be of any nationality and age.
Or under 21s

You don't need to have 25 players though. You can have zero home grown players if you want, just means your squad size would then be limited to 17.

 

[biscuit]

I think he's still the best option available. That's not to say we shouldn't have other deals lined up and ready just in case though. Hopefully Gibson sees sense and takes the money. I just think it's PR spin to make it known he really fought off a big club. He's the perfect player for Conte to mould and probably the best homegrown option available. I really think he can follow in the footsteps of Rose and Walker.

I agree that he's certainly a very good option, although, if the deal's going nowhere, I'd love to think Malo Gusto at Lyon was somewhere on FP's list. He's nineteen, tall, athletic, pacey, determined, loves to defend, and has a pretty wicked cross on him. Can honestly see him being one of the very best around within a couple of years.

 

[mil1lion]

I agree that he's certainly a very good option, although, if the deal's going nowhere, I'd love to think Malo Gusto at Lyon was somewhere on FP's list. He's nineteen, tall, athletic, pacey, determined, loves to defend, and has a pretty wicked cross on him. Can honestly see him being one of the very best around within a couple of years.

Thing is if we're going for a young player for the future we're best of getting a homegrown. I think any foreign prospect like Gil and Sarr will go on loan again. The only sure upgrade would have to be someone experienced and then it may be worth occupying a non homegrown spot. I'm just not sure who's available like that.

 

[barry]

I agree that he's certainly a very good option, although, if the deal's going nowhere, I'd love to think Malo Gusto at Lyon was somewhere on FP's list. He's nineteen, tall, athletic, pacey, determined, loves to defend, and has a pretty wicked cross on him. Can honestly see him being one of the very best around within a couple of years.

I haven't seen much of the kid, but this dude was the only Lyon player I liked against West Ham, even though his misplaced pass led to their goal.

 

[biscuit]

Thing is if we're going for a young player for the future we're best of getting a homegrown. I think any foreign prospect like Gil and Sarr will go on loan again. The only sure upgrade would have to be someone experienced and then it may be worth occupying a non homegrown spot. I'm just not sure who's available like that.

Not sure I agree, mate, but I can see your point of view, for sure.

 

[Trix]

Ah.. I see we have reached the "we can do better than him" stage of the transfer

Not at all. Although we certainly could do better, as there are better alternatives out there. No one is saying he isn't the one we want, as he clearly is. That though is for a number of reasons, not because he's the best player we can possibly get for that position.

 

[Nanky_1988]

Not at all. Although we certainly could do better, as there are better alternatives out there. No one is saying he isn't the one we want, as he clearly is. That though is for a number of reasons, not because he's the best player we can possibly get for that position.

One of the big selling points of signing Spence is he’s home grown! Surely that is one of the main reasons we want him?

like Trix says there are definitely better options who would be starters ahead of Doherty. It’s just whether we sign one of them before Gibson gets nervous and potentially contacts us again.

 

[Guernman]

Pay what it takes makes sense sometimes. For Liverpool buying Van Dijk, for example, a key missing piece for them and a proven premier league player already at the top of his game. If you are going for the finished product and the club doesn't want to sell their prize player, then you pay a premium, that's clear.

Perhaps we may do something similar for Bastoni, or another key player this summer.

But that certainly isn't the case here. You don't just pay what it takes to a club who view the player as so toxic to their dressing room, they loan him out last season and extend his holiday now to keep him away from the place.

RWB is a key position we need to strengthen, but Spence is no Van Dijk, the finished article ready to step in. He is a talented option with significant concerns over his attitude and lifestyle voiced from multiple credible sources. He is a gamble plain and simple. One that could pay off handsomely or blow up in our face.

And we really don't want to become a club who shows a precedence of paying any premium over what other clubs are quoted to pay for the same player, just because we have money. United have done this historically to their detriment, while Liverpool, who because of VVD and Alison are often touted as the perfect example of a club who gets their key targets whatever it takes, actually don't go down this route either. They have often walked away when clubs try to take the piss on valuations, just as we should now if Gibson doesn't get real.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

It's human nature to charge more to people with more.

Do you think everyone gets the same price from a tradie? A few extra pennies get added on to a quote if you're living in a mansion.