Player Watch - Carlos Vinícius

[spursboy2008]

Pretty sure all the big boys chased Haaland, yet he ended up at Dortmund. Bet the big boys regret not pulling the trigger now.

The big clubs can’t buy every player they want, it does’t mean the player is garbage.

Haaland is still only 20, this guy is 25, I’m sure once Haaland reaches 25 he’ll almost certainly be playing for one of those clubs.

 

[JayB]

You say things like 1 season, and mixed record, as if it’s true. It’s not. At all.

Apart from an ill fated half season on loan at Monaco as back up to Falcao, with most of his appearances off the bench when they were having a torrid time (4 managers including Thierry Henry and almost relegated) he’s scored at better than 1 in 2 consistently for 3 years at whatever level he’s played at. Before that he was in Brazil being used as a midfielder, he moved to Portugal on loan off the back of a random appearance up front in a friendly where Real’s scouts happened to take note, and then after a year scoring for fun for the Napoli signed him, immediately loaned him to Rio where he was great, and then to Monaco where he was use as prior mentioned.

If anything it should be encouraging that we’re getting a player on a clear upward trajectory.

You acknowledge that he had a failed stint in France. He wasn’t just a promising youth player when he went through that. It’s a poor league where the likes of Nkoudou and Njie have put up good goalscoring numbers. Regardless of the circumstances, it raises a question mark and does in fact constitute a mixed record.

It doesn’t mean he can’t be a big success for us but it’s not as though the tepid response to his background is coming from nowhere. I *hope* he’s the next Drogba but I don’t think we can be so confident that he would be.

 

[spursboy2008]

Yeah but your opinion is based on not being called up to national team and being chased by big clubs which is absolutely stupid because:

• Edouard and Daka aren't chased by big clubs either, Edouard aren't in France team (Edouard and Vinicius would play for Zambia too)
• This two things doesn't show anything that Vinicius is bad striker

I never said he is a bad striker, I said I prefer the other options.

 

[$hoguN]

Care to elaborate? You want him as a near club record signing?

Why does it matter? No-one is asking you to fork it out ffs. If we sign him for a club record fee that’s for Levy to worry about. The only thing that matters is that we believe he is the eighth signing to push us on. Posts saying someone can’t be our record signing etc are just a waste of time

 

[nedley]

Well you can cross Daka off that list in any case as he’s not interested. So fairly pointless referring to him going forward.

I'm talking about valuation. Not whether Daka is coming or not.

 

[ronspurs]

Have a feeling we will look to sort a deal this coming week now that the name has come out

 

[SpartanSpur]

I will say regardless of my reaction to this, I think I'd rather this guy over Milik (injury record, prone to the odd sitter and reportedly messed us around) and have him on par with Diallo. I'd be encouraged by this signing, I just got my heard turned by us scouting potential superstars in Edouard and to a lesser extent Daka earlier in the week.

 

[dondo]

And posts like yours and @Trix ’s make me laugh too! You can’t blame the people who pay the most expensive ticket prices in Europe for wanting a recognised talent that would improve the very team they spend thousands following. Stop being so bloody patronising. People are entitled to feel how they feel, and football is an emotional topic for all of us - why else would we be on a fan forum tracking rumours if it wasn’t?

This kid could be a hit or a flop, or somewhere in between - we have no idea.You can’t blame fans for wanting a more established or exciting name.

You have missed my point.
Just because a player might be more established doesn’t mean they would be a better buy.
I assume (hope) the club fo extensive scouting a research on players we try to buy, more than any of our fans I would imagine.

 

[amathews3416]

He has only played as a Striker since 2017, so he very well may improve quite a bit more. Might be older than some of the others we are linked to but has been playing the position for lesser time.

Not really fair to say he flopped in France. He was brought in on a 6 month loan deal to backup Falcao.

It’s all a crap shoot when signing these type of players to the Premier league.

 

[Yiddo1982]

Just because a player might be more established doesn’t mean they would be a better buy.
I assume (hope) the club fo extensive scouting a research on players we try to buy, more than any of our fans I would imagine

He would be a massive gamble. There’s no arguing that. More of a gamble than an established name. There’s no arguing that.

...and let’s not mention our scouting department. Hardly top of their game, are they?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

That's because it was under the radar.

18 goals in 1784 mins and all from open play. That's a very good record, all be it in Portugal. It's far more impressive than some of the strikers we've been linked with that have been met with more enthusiasm. He scored every 99 mins last season, while Watkins scored every 169 mins, so it's huge difference.

You acknowledge that he had a failed stint in France. He wasn’t just a promising youth player when he went through that. It’s a poor league where the likes of Nkoudou and Njie have put up good goalscoring numbers. Regardless of the circumstances, it raises a question mark and does in fact constitute a mixed record.

It doesn’t mean he can’t be a big success for us but it’s not as though the tepid response to his background is coming from nowhere. I *hope* he’s the next Drogba but I don’t think we can be so confident that he would be.

I doubt he will be the next Drogba, but I do think that he offers what we need purely based on what I’ve learnt about him in the few hours since I first heard of his existence. I’d suggest that you and I infer very different things from his record to date so let’s just agree that we both hope we’ve got the right guy here ?

 

[amathews3416]

He would be a massive gamble. There’s no arguing that. More of a gamble than an established name. There’s no arguing that.

...and let’s not mention our scouting department. Hardly top of their game, are they?

He is no more a gamble than Daka or Eduoard. Similar goals scoring record and Portugal is a step up from both Austrian and Scottish leagues.

 

[TheAmerican]

Well Edouard has been doing the business at Celtic for years now and wouldn’t cost a bomb, for one. And with younger strikers such as Daka, Malen, or Leao you wouldn’t expect them to have much of a track record given how early they are in their development.

With someone who’s 25 it’s different. This guy hung around in his academy without being given any chances until he was 22, it makes you wonder why. He then put together a mixed record at the senior level, again making you wonder.

I’m not saying he isn’t the next Drogba or Jimenez, again that is possible, but the one season wonder phenomenon is common for strikers and his background just makes you worry is all I’m saying. If we sign him I’ll certainly be behind him and hope we’ve found a gem, but it’s understandable why he’s not inspiring the same level of enthusiasm as Edouard or Daka.

If Soldado came here and kicked it off we’d probably never have seen Kane given the opportunity to become what he has. It happens, players get lost in the system all the time.

 

[Mark_147]

Haaland is still only 20, this guy is 25, I’m sure once Haaland reaches 25 he’ll almost certainly be playing for one of those clubs.

What about jiminez

 

[JayB]

If Soldado came here and kicked it off we’d probably never have seen Kane given the opportunity to become what he has. It happens, players get lost in the system all the time.

I like what little I’ve seen from and hope he’ll be a big success if we sign him so I don’t want to belabor this point any more than I already have done. I’ve merely been responding the to the criticism that has been levied against the posters in this thread who are expressing their doubts, which I think are reasonable.

My personal opinion is that for the prices that are being quoted I think we can do better. The Benfica club-linked journo who broke the story of their signing Vertonghen is apparently insisting that there’s no chance Vinicius will be sold for less than €50m. If that’s true I think we could get Daka, who I rate as a player who could genuinely be a top-class Kane replacement should Kane leave in the next season or two, for that price or less. We may also be able to take that money and sign both Edouard and a left back. I’m just not as convinced that Vinicius has the same potential be an elite level player, nor worth devoting so many of our resources to.

If Jose thinks he’s worth the money, however, then I’m happy for us to sign him and hope he goes on to prove me wrong and show that he’s a player worthy of being one of our most expensive signings ever.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I like what little I’ve seen from and hope he’ll be a big success if we sign him so I don’t want to belabor this point any more than I already have done. I’ve merely been responding the to the criticism that has been levied against the posters in this thread who are expressing their doubts, which I think are reasonable.

I'd agree that there is nothing wrong with expressing doubts. And you've done so in a fair and balanced way. But if you care to reread from the beginning of this thread, I'm sure you'd agree, on reflection, that the manner of expressing those doubts and the stated reasons for doubting were, in all too many instances, very far from reasonable.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Always funny when people list their top choices, it’s pretty much always the fastest players at top of list. People are obsessed with pace, I’m guessing it’s cos of FIFA.

 

[dondo]

He would be a massive gamble. There’s no arguing that. More of a gamble than an established name. There’s no arguing that.

...and let’s not mention our scouting department. Hardly top of their game, are they?

He would be a gamble, every signing is to a certain extent. We have brought so called established players like Soldado snd Llorente in recent years and they didn’t really work out either.
I’ve never even heard of this guy until today so I have no idea about him but I would like to think if Jose wants him he must have something about him??

 

[arunspurs]

I like what little I’ve seen from and hope he’ll be a big success if we sign him so I don’t want to belabor this point any more than I already have done. I’ve merely been responding the to the criticism that has been levied against the posters in this thread who are expressing their doubts, which I think are reasonable.

My personal opinion is that for the prices that are being quoted I think we can do better. The Benfica club-linked journo who broke the story of their signing Vertonghen is apparently insisting that there’s no chance Vinicius will be sold for less than €50m. If that’s true I think we could get Daka, who I rate as a player who could genuinely be a top-class Kane replacement should Kane leave in the next season or two, for that price or less. I’m not as convinced that Vinicius has the same potential be an elite level player.

If Jose thinks he’s worth the money, however, then I’m happy for us to sign him and hope he goes on to prove me wrong and show that he’s a player worthy of being one of our most expensive signings ever.

End of the day, Benfica has got in 72m worth of Arrivals including Darwin Nunez a similar striker. And they have sold literally no one. They have to balance the book. So, am convinced they will sell if push comes to shove. Of the 4 or 5 we track, if we decide on Vinicius, we will get the deal done

 

[JayB]

I'd agree that there is nothing wrong with expressing doubts. And you've done so in a fair and balanced way. But if you care to reread from the beginning of this thread, I'm sure you'd agree, on reflection, that the manner of expressing those doubts and the stated reasons for doubting were, in all too many instances, very far from reasonable.

No doubt that there has been some of this, but I think the disappointment is understandable when in the past week we’ve been linked with Daka (for me one of the top striker prospects in Europe) and Edouard (phenomenal record at a club whose stars regularly take to the PL immediately). Regardless there are reasons to be hopeful that Vinicius can do the business for us, so here’s hoping for the best.