Player Watch - Carlos Vinícius

[tottenhamlad]

I think I might of overreacted earlier. Was having a bad morning.

If Mourinho wants him I'm in. COYS.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Pav’s YouTube clips of his goals with us must be amazing. He scored some fabulous goals.

Anyway, yeah, he’s better than nobody and if the club think he’s the man then great. I haven’t seen anyone say don’t buy him have they? It’s the one season of top flight football that is my concern and I think that is a legitimate one. The other guy playing in Portugal we have been linked to today, Paulinho, has a better and more consistent scoring record there so could also be a good option.

It’s all the ‘how underwhelming’ type comments. How can you be underwhelmed when you’ve never seen the guy play (not you personally, the wider ‘you’) and only have a superb recent record do go on (18 months in Portugal’s top flight, he scored 8 in 14 at Rio Ave in 18/19), but at the same time be super excited by links to a 21 year old who has also only had one year in a top flight, playing for by far the best side in a league far worse league to Vinícius’ league?

I am confident in saying that if we’d been linked tenuously to this guy (as we were to Daka) earlier everyone would’ve got super excited, and then if we signed Daka instead all the underwhelmed lot would’ve be going ‘typical Levy, typical Spurs, going for the young less proven option who’ll be nowhere near first team ready just in case he comes good later and we can turn a profit’.

For every Drogba there's ten or twenty Michus, Pukkis, or Belottis. I'm not writing him off entirely but I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned over a player who'd done the square root of fuck all until his mid twenties and then had 18 months' worth of decent form.

18 months of very good goal scoring form (25 in 40) in a league from which most recent imports have been huge successes, particularly with this agent.

Strange comparisons. Michu was a stiff, slow, player with no athleticism to speak of, which you clearly couldn’t leverage at this guy based on the videos, was older when he joined Swansea and even so was a resounding success in his first season, scoring 18. Pukki was 28, and signed for a championship side not a top 6 premier league side, and scored for fun, and then in the premier league actually did ok within his limitations (11) but, much like Michu, lacked any of the physical blessing this guy seems to possess. He came from a league closer in strength to Austria than to Portugal. Belotti has had a good career at a lesser Italian club.

This guy was 23 when his very hood form started. Is that mid twenties to you? He’s now 25. He’s far more physically suited to this league than any of the players you’ve mentioned. He’s someone that I imagine you’ve never watched live other than maybe by mistake once, and neither have i for that matter.

Not taking aim at you personally, but it’s mad how this site is awash with posters who say back the manager, who decry our scouts because of a tenuous link to Deeney, who whinge about us wasting our time on unrealistic targets, who obsess over our net spend not being high enough (as if it even matters to anyone but our auditors) and who are expert on how every linked striker is the wrong fit. Then, we back the manager by scouting a player who wasn’t an obvious choice, who is attainable, who will cost a fair bit, and who on paper has everything a striker needs in this league, and those same posters are underwhelmed, in each case most probably because he happens to not be their choice from the strikers they’ve only ever seen YouTube clips

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest Jose et al will have done their homework and reckon this guy complements what we have in place already.

Perish the thought! He’s clearly a dud and will flop. Janssen mk II.

 

[spursboy2008]

And posts like yours and @Trix ’s make me laugh too! You can’t blame the people who pay the most expensive ticket prices in Europe for wanting a recognised talent that would improve the very team they spend thousands following. Stop being so bloody patronising. People are entitled to feel how they feel, and football is an emotional topic for all of us - why else would we be on a fan forum tracking rumours if it wasn’t?

This kid could be a hit or a flop, or somewhere in between - we have no idea.You can’t blame fans for wanting a more established or exciting name.

This

I doubt, like most in this thread, he knows much about him at all.

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Took me 5 seconds of Google-fu to find this. From last winter, but proof 'the big boys have chased him' regardless.
You should have Danny Rose give you some tips.

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???. Well he didn’t end up at any of those clubs did he!, so they couldn’t of been that interested!

 

[CrouchPotato]

Fairly Certain Mendes and Jose didn’t develop the great relationship they have by Mendes getting Jose poor players. I trust Jose if this is the one he wants

 

[kieranfitchett]

the price quoted in reports doesn’t seem to represent any sort of value compared to who else we could possibly get in for a similar fee, but if he’s been earmarked by the club as someone who fits the bill I’m all for it

 

[nedley]

Well Edouard has been doing the business at Celtic for years now and wouldn’t cost a bomb, for one. And with younger strikers such as Daka, Malen, or Leao you wouldn’t expect them to have much of a track record given how early they are in their development.

With someone who’s 25 it’s different. This guy hung around in his academy without being given any chances until he was 22, it makes you wonder why. He then put together a mixed record at the senior level, again making you wonder.

I’m not saying he isn’t the next Drogba or Jimenez, again that is possible, but the one season wonder phenomenon is common for strikers and his background just makes you worry is all I’m saying. If we sign him I’ll certainly be behind him and hope we’ve found a gem, but it’s understandable why he’s not inspiring the same level of enthusiasm as Edouard or Daka.

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[BringBack_leGin]

And posts like yours and @Trix ’s make me laugh too! You can’t blame the people who pay the most expensive ticket prices in Europe for wanting a recognised talent that would improve the very team they spend thousands following. Stop being so bloody patronising. People are entitled to feel how they feel, and football is an emotional topic for all of us - why else would we be on a fan forum tracking rumours if it wasn’t?

This kid could be a hit or a flop, or somewhere in between - we have no idea.You can’t blame fans for wanting a more established or exciting name.

I pay those ticket prices. Have done for longer than I care to admit.

I’m pretty sure a guy with a great strike rate in a top 8 league entering his prime is an improvement on what we currently have in his role, I.e. nothing.

Who’s the more established name we should get? Or, alternatively, who would excite you more and why?

 

[DiVaio]

This

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???. Well he didn’t end up at any of those clubs did he!, so they couldn’t of been that interested!

But your arguments doesn't make any sense

 

[$hoguN]

If it’s a loan with option, everyone should and will be doing cartwheels.

If it’s 50M purchase, everyone should be asking for Daniel to have his head examined.

It’s all about the deal here if it happens. This is not a club record signing type profile.

What a load of bollocks this is

 

[spursboy2008]

But your arguments doesn't make any sense

It’s my opinion, I’m entitled to an opinion.

 

[bbunc]

What a load of bollocks this is

Care to elaborate? You want him as a near club record signing?

 

[JayB]

18 months of very good goal scoring form (25 in 40) in a league from which most recent imports have been huge successes, particularly with this agent.

Strange comparisons. Michu was a stiff, slow, player with no athleticism to speak of, which you clearly couldn’t leverage at this guy based on the videos, was older when he joined Swansea and even so was a resounding success in his first season, scoring 18. Pukki was 28, and signed for a championship side not a top 6 premier league side, and scored for fun, and then in the premier league actually did ok within his limitations (11) but, much like Michu, lacked any of the physical blessing this guy seems to possess. He came from a league closer in strength to Austria than to Portugal. Belotti has had a good career at a lesser Italian club.

This guy was 23 when his very hood form started. Is that mid twenties to you? He’s now 25. He’s far more physically suited to this league than any of the players you’ve mentioned. He’s someone that I imagine you’ve never watched live other than maybe by mistake once, and neither have i for that matter.

Not taking aim at you personally, but it’s mad how this site is awash with posters who say back the manager, who decry our scouts because of a tenuous link to Deeney, who whinge about us wasting our time on unrealistic targets, who obsess over our net spend not being high enough (as if it even matters to anyone but our auditors) and who are expert on how every linked striker is the wrong fit. Then, we back the manager by scouting a player who wasn’t an obvious choice, who is attainable, who will cost a fair bit, and who on paper has everything a striker needs in this league, and those same posters are underwhelmed, in each case most probably because he happens to not be their choice from the strikers they’ve only ever seen YouTube clips.

The point I’m trying to make is that mediocre strikers routinely go through purple patches where they’ll have a momentary period of brilliant finishing only to later revert to the mean.

Interspersed with the 18 months of good form in Portugal, Vinicius had a six month stint in France (a step up but far from PL standard) where he flopped. He’s got a mixed record and he’s not just a promising youngster like, say, Leao who is of an age where his upside potential makes one more willing to overlook a shakey goalscoring record.

He may well be a late bloomer who, as a 25-year-old, has managed to raise his game to a level where he’s able to make the jump to a top six PL club. Or he may be one of a long line of strikers who experience a moment in the sun. He’s not well-enough established for anyone to say. Perhaps he’s the next Drogba but surely it’s premature to be saying so definitively.

Having said all that if we do sign him I’ll certainly be hoping he smashes it.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Lot of pages in such a short period of time ? Let’s just hope “he’s the one”

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well Edouard has been doing the business at Celtic for years now and wouldn’t cost a bomb, for one. And with younger strikers such as Daka, Malen, or Leao you wouldn’t expect them to have much of a track record given how early they are in their development.

With someone who’s 25 it’s different. This guy hung around in his academy without being given any chances until he was 22, it makes you wonder why. He then put together a mixed record at the senior level, again making you wonder.

I’m not saying he isn’t the next Drogba or Jimenez, again that is possible, but the one season wonder phenomenon is common for strikers and his background just makes you worry is all I’m saying. If we sign him I’ll certainly be behind him and hope we’ve found a gem, but it’s understandable why he’s not inspiring the same level of enthusiasm as Edouard or Daka.

You say things like 1 season, and mixed record, as if it’s true. It’s not. At all.

Apart from an ill fated half season on loan at Monaco as back up to Falcao, with most of his appearances off the bench when they were having a torrid time (4 managers including Thierry Henry and almost relegated) he’s scored at better than 1 in 2 consistently for 3 years at whatever level he’s played at. Before that he was in Brazil being used as a midfielder, he moved to Portugal on loan off the back of a random appearance up front in a friendly where Real’s scouts happened to take note, and then after a year scoring for fun for the Napoli signed him, immediately loaned him to Rio where he was great, and then to Monaco where he was use as prior mentioned.

If anything it should be encouraging that we’re getting a player on a clear upward trajectory.

 

[biscuit]

His determination to win the ball and shrug off challenges reminds me a bit of Shearer in his prime. Love his awareness, his interplay with teammates, and the fact that his goals (on Youtube at least) come in all shapes and sizes.
Can’t see us paying £50m for him, and for us to be giving thought to him I’d hope he’d be available for a lot less. Looks a promising link though.

 

[DiVaio]

It’s my opinion, I’m entitled to an opinion.

Yeah but your opinion is based on not being called up to national team and being chased by big clubs which is absolutely stupid because:

• Edouard and Daka aren't chased by big clubs either, Edouard aren't in France team (Edouard and Vinicius would play for Zambia too)
• This two things doesn't show anything that Vinicius is bad striker

 

[synththfc]

Risky buying players off of one stellar season but IMO he's got the lot. Exactly what we need. He could flop, but so could anyone else. If Daka isn't an option, I'm all in on CV.

 

[SpartanSpur]

It’s all the ‘how underwhelming’ type comments. How can you be underwhelmed when you’ve never seen the guy play (not you personally, the wider ‘you’) and only have a superb recent record do go on (18 months in Portugal’s top flight, he scored 8 in 14 at Rio Ave in 18/19), but at the same time be super excited by links to a 21 year old who has also only had one year in a top flight, playing for by far the best side in a league far worse league to Vinícius’ league?

I am confident in saying that if we’d been linked tenuously to this guy (as we were to Daka) earlier everyone would’ve got super excited, and then if we signed Daka instead all the underwhelmed lot would’ve be going ‘typical Levy, typical Spurs, going for the young less proven option who’ll be nowhere near first team ready just in case he comes good later and we can turn a profit’.



18 months of very good goal scoring form (25 in 40) in a league from which most recent imports have been huge successes, particularly with this agent.

Strange comparisons. Michu was a stiff, slow, player with no athleticism to speak of, which you clearly couldn’t leverage at this guy based on the videos, was older when he joined Swansea and even so was a resounding success in his first season, scoring 18. Pukki was 28, and signed for a championship side not a top 6 premier league side, and scored for fun, and then in the premier league actually did ok within his limitations (11) but, much like Michu, lacked any of the physical blessing this guy seems to possess. He came from a league closer in strength to Austria than to Portugal. Belotti has had a good career at a lesser Italian club.

This guy was 23 when his very hood form started. Is that mid twenties to you? He’s now 25. He’s far more physically suited to this league than any of the players you’ve mentioned. He’s someone that I imagine you’ve never watched live other than maybe by mistake once, and neither have i for that matter.

Not taking aim at you personally, but it’s mad how this site is awash with posters who say back the manager, who decry our scouts because of a tenuous link to Deeney, who whinge about us wasting our time on unrealistic targets, who obsess over our net spend not being high enough (as if it even matters to anyone but our auditors) and who are expert on how every linked striker is the wrong fit. Then, we back the manager by scouting a player who wasn’t an obvious choice, who is attainable, who will cost a fair bit, and who on paper has everything a striker needs in this league, and those same posters are underwhelmed, in each case most probably because he happens to not be their choice from the strikers they’ve only ever seen YouTube clips



Perish the thought! He’s clearly a dud and will flop. Janssen mk II.

You make some very good points. Obviously if he comes in I hope he does very well. He's certainly got all the traits Mourinho wants in a #9 but I think you'd be remiss to ignore the red flags. I.e. Late bloomer, purple patch? Will he settle quickly away from Brazil/Portugal (hitting groundn running is huge for this position)? Jimenez aside not many Portuguese league strikers have excelled here, Mitroglu was a major flop here but scored better than 1 in 2 at Benfica.

I think we'd be extremely lucky if he even got near Drogba's level. I'd certainly be underwhelmed if we sold Kane and this was our top target.

For me its simply a case of the link to Edouard exciting me so much. Genuinely think he's on a superstar growth curve as he has all the tools a top player needs.

Portugal may be a higher quality league but the top players from SPL tend to transfer well to the PL. Players are also used to worse weather and the language, and the British style of football.

Obviously if he's José's top target and Levy delivers that is a good thing. Just comes down to the price. If we're a good deal then great, but if it's £40-50m I think there would be better non-Mendes options we could spend that on.

 

[Steffen]

???. Well he didn’t end up at any of those clubs did he!, so they couldn’t of been that interested!

Pretty sure all the big boys chased Haaland, yet he ended up at Dortmund. Bet the big boys regret not pulling the trigger now.

The big clubs can’t buy every player they want, it does’t mean the player is garbage.

 

[taidgh]

Astounded by how many people on this thread have "Benifica supporting mates".

Nothing else to add, I'd never heard of him before.

Fixed your post.