Player Paulo Dybala

[Ossie'sAardvark]

I'm ready for the next round of deal hokey cokey. All we need is one well-timed smiley.

Im still looking for our ITK its definitely over. Have i missed it somewhere?

 

[yiddopaul]

i agree, didn't mean it in a bad way, but could you imagine!

I'm trying not too!

 

[JR1994]

This sort of opportunity with a player of Dybala’s profile won’t come round to often let’s be honest. Eriksen staying is now the key to how successful this window has been

 

[Maxwell]

Not sure if anyone’s posted this but there’s a small piece from the WTR (World Trademark Review) discussing the Dybala/Spurs image rights problem here:

https://www.worldtrademarkreview.co...highlights-growing-importance-ip-sports-stars

 

[spids]

I am still a little confused, and would appreciate it if someone could shed some light on it for me ... Did the deal fall through because:

a) The Image rights were too expensive to buy from a 3rd party (i.e. company owned by Dybala's previous agent)? If this is the case I am surprised the deal isn't still being negotiated until 5PM.
b) Juventus pulled the plug and decided not to sell as they lost out on Lukaku?
c) Juventus pulled the plug because they thought they were losing Manduzik to Man U?
d) No-one really knows just yet, it's one for the post-mortem?

Personally, because the player wanted to come (by all accounts), the statement of intent it would have been, and the lift he would have given the whole club going into the season, I would have seriously considered pulling out of the Sessegnon deal (he won't be in our starting XI if Rose and Davies are here) and picking him up for free next summer, enabling us to throw the kitchen sink (well, the £25M) at whatever was causing the Dybala problem.

 

[yiddopaul]

A very big plus side to this falling through is that Parrot might get a bit of game time this season.

Parrot looks a real talent in my opinion.

Yes! That's why we have world class training facilities isn't it? To grow our own stars.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Why have you assumed that it wasn't possible for the entire time? If it is only just hit a snag, would you rather we didn't try and do anything slightly difficult? I'm not sure he can win with some fans. And that's fine. I'm happy for your opinion. It's just always frustratingly negative and, if I'm honest, smacks of "I know better" when, sorry, you don't.

Me? id say I was generally quite positive when it comes to Spurs (apart from at times during transfer window) - I even defended Paulinho... and have certainly on the whole been behind Levy throughout his tenure..so you may be confusing me with someone else...

Plus I literally just asked you a question because I don't know the ins and outs - and you seem to project that you know better about this sort of thing. I would have just assumed that a big legal issue, such as his image rights, would have been known at the beginning of negotiations...

But hey ho - it doesn't really matter, it's not like we can do anything from here anyway...

 

[JKendall13]

If you don't think you can negotiate something like this for three weeks, clearly many of you haven't had the privilege to engage with many lawyers in your life.

You're better off for it, but also incorrect.

 

[Mackan110]

There's a third party which owned some of his rights, a different one which now own some of them, an alleged breach of contract and a pending £40m bijudicial legal case, which would have become trijudicial if he signed for us with the potential for the whole scenario to change in a couple of months time when one of those judiciaries withdraws from the EU. How on earth you've reached the conclusion that this is so simple it couldn't possibly explain the deal collapsing is beyond me.

If we have discussed 3 weeks or something we should know what it's all about and also that spurs shouldn't be punished if image holder 1 sue image holder 2. I don't work with law but it sounds like the image rights problem should be between image holder 1 and 2.

 

[Matthew]

I am still a little confused, and would appreciate it if someone could shed some light on it for me ... Did the deal fall through because:

a) The Image rights were too expensive to buy from a 3rd party (i.e. company owned by Dybala's previous agent)? If this is the case I am surprised the deal isn't still being negotiated until 5PM.
b) Juventus pulled the plug and decided not to sell as they lost out on Lukaku?
c) Juventus pulled the plug because they thought they were losing Manduzik to Man U?
d) No-one really knows just yet, it's one for the post-mortem?

Personally, because the player wanted to come (by all accounts), the statement of intent it would have been, and the lift he would have given the whole club going into the season, I would have seriously considered pulling out of the Sessegnon deal (he won't be in our starting XI if Rose and Davies are here) and picking him up for free next summer, enabling us to throw the kitchen sink (well, the £25M) at whatever was causing the Dybala problem.

no one actually know, expect herc or jj will be in when it calms down to explian.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Think it was the BBC leading strongly with their advanced negotiations/close to signing updates off the back of the Argentinian press last night that got everyone so excited.

It really felt like it was gathering serious momentum from very credible sources.

Maybe Ornstein was trolling all along.

We've had a very good window but I know plenty of Spurs fans who will overlook that now because of this Dybala stuff, which is annoying.

Anyway, I'm excited with what we've got.

This lad would have been a complete curveball, but obviously brilliant on top of all that.

 

[dg8672]

Anyone seen an ITK recently? Feel like the class has been left alone without a teacher. Living it up and now I’ve just realised they’ve been gone for too long...

By rule, if they don't come back in 15 minutes, we're all allowed to leave.

 

[Saoirse]

If we have discussed 3 weeks or something we should know what it's all about and also that spurs shouldn't be punished if image holder 1 sue image holder 2. I don't work with law but it sounds like the image rights problem should be between image holder 1 and 2.

The Premier League rules state we have to have some control of image rights, plus we need a license to exploit them to even be able to e.g. post a picture of him in a Tottenham shirt which the company can demand payment for, except it's not even clear which company (or potentially Juve) owns them in which proportion.

 

[Tucker]

He was a Brucie bonus. Wasn't even on the cards 3 weeks ago. Had it not happened, we would all be gushing about NDombele, Siss, GLC and saying it was fantastic. Rose apparently wants to stay, so, all's good.

Not when we’ve been told all summer that GLC is in addition to Eriksen and not his replacement. Eriksen clearly wants out.

And we clearly wanted to strengthen in the forward positions, no clubs in world footballs would spend close to 80 million on a player they don’t really need, especially us.

Don’t get me wrong, we’ve signed some good players, but we really should have been pushing on this summer, but we have only really stood still. Dembele replaced, Eriksen replaced. First choice right back sold, and two promising youngsters.

 

[nedley]

Anyone seen an ITK recently? Feel like the class has been left alone without a teacher. Living it up and now I’ve just realised they’ve been gone for too long...

Unlikely to hear from quite a few for a few days.

The norm at the end of the window.

 

[Stoof]

I would have just assumed that a big legal issue, such as his image rights, would have been known at the beginning of negotiations...

It simply must have been - although accordingly to that World Trade Mark article posted above, it seems like it only unveiled itself to United fairly late in the day. (Although, hearing what we have, that was a non-starter anyway).

If we look back on today we've had 5/6 reasons why the transfer won't happen all - and at various points we've had different sources claim that each of those 5/6 reasons have been sorted. There is definitely more to this than meets the eye. Transformers. Robots in disguise.

I digress.

I just don't want people to be disappointed when we've got a couple of good'uns in.

 

[nedley]

This sort of opportunity with a player of Dybala’s profile won’t come round to often let’s be honest. Eriksen staying is now the key to how successful this window has been

THIS THIS THIS.

 

[samspurs92]

Why don’t we just do the deal for January if everyone is that keen for it to happen?

 

[NYSpur]

3 weeks to sort out image rights? BS

Unless Levy was prepared to go Don Corleone and make an offer that the image owners couldn't refuse, I think you greatly underestimate what it takes to convince an aggrieved party to sell the rights. They literally have nothing to lose.

 

[yiddopaul]

Not sure if anyone’s posted this but there’s a small piece from the WTR (World Trademark Review) discussing the Dybala/Spurs image rights problem here:

https://www.worldtrademarkreview.co...highlights-growing-importance-ip-sports-stars

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