Our club, history, fans, future and AVB

[balalasaurus]

Who would you prefer to AVB?

Jurgen Klopp. If he can do at Spurs what he's done at Dortmund then hell to the fuckin yea!


On another note I do enjoy hearing some of the stories told here. As a somewhat green Spurs fan (can you call 17 years green?) I've always known being a supporter is a part of your life. Just hearing these experiences makes me feel like I'm part of something bigger. Hopefully this (or the next few years) will see us being repaid for keeping the faith. THFC till I die!

 

[Shea]

Who would you prefer to AVB?

He wasn't, in my opinion, saying he doesn't like/want AVB he was saying he's not as sure about him as the general concensus seems to be now days

I get that too personally

AVB did a great job to get us our record points total after such a slow start last year, in his first season too which makes that achievement all the better. There is no taking that away from him

There are question marks still to be answered though, are there not?

How successful will he be now he's moulded the squad in his image and looks to be changing our style, formation, tactics (pretty much everything)

How much of last year was covered up by Bale's outstanding season? and how will we/AVB fair without being BALED out

We still have the same problems from last year where we're slow in attack and unable to create real chances - this year we'll have to find another solution other than Bale hitting a last minute winner from 30 yards into the top corner

I agree that this year, without Bale and with the team built by his own design will be the real test of AVB

I'm also of the opinion where I am not so sure (though I am hopeful) of how successful AVB will prove to be, we have a lot of potential in the team and more importantly the squad but there are fears - for me at least - about how we're to solve the issues with our creativity and stop being so slow and pondering when on the attack against teams sitting back (hopefully Lamela and Eriksen will solve this)

I wish AVB the greatest success with our club - but I can understand those who are less sure than others that he will prove to be the right man for the job.

What I will say is this - last season he more than earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt from all Spurs fans

 

[Tottenham_God]

He wasn't, in my opinion, saying he doesn't like/want AVB he was saying he's not as sure about him as the general concensus seems to be now days

I get that too personally

AVB did a great job to get us our record points total after such a slow start last year, in his first season too which makes that achievement all the better. There is no taking that away from him

There are question marks still to be answered though, are there not?

How successful will he be now he's moulded the squad in his image and looks to be changing our style, formation, tactics (pretty much everything)

How much of last year was covered up by Bale's outstanding season? and how will we/AVB fair without being BALED out

We still have the same problems from last year where we're slow in attack and unable to create real chances - this year we'll have to find another solution other than Bale hitting a last minute winner from 30 yards into the top corner

I agree that this year, without Bale and with the team built by his own design will be the real test of AVB

I'm also of the opinion where I am not so sure (though I am hopeful) of how successful AVB will prove to be, we have a lot of potential in the team and more importantly the squad but there are fears - for me at least - about how we're to solve the issues with our creativity and stop being so slow and pondering when on the attack against teams sitting back (hopefully Lamela and Eriksen will solve this)

I wish AVB the greatest success with our club - but I can understand those who are less sure than others that he will prove to be the right man for the job.

What I will say is this - last season he more than earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt from all Spurs fans

I agree it is hard to judge last seasons efforts and how much AVBs success was masked by Bales brilliance.

But what I will say is if the first three games are anything to go off of and the players we have brought in are any indication of whats to come we will still be in excellent shape.

The team is pressing well, dominating possession and if we can start to create more clean cut chances (arguably most important out of the three fundamentals of the game) then I think we will be a real force. I feel if Holtby hits his straps Eriksen and Lamela find their feet the latter of the three fundamentals will take care of itself.

As a supporter I would love for us to play exciting coherent beautiful football and win 3-0 every game but I for one would be more than happy to grind out results against lower teams (like swansea and palace) and I truly feel under AVB we will be that team winning games and grinding out results with a winning mentality.

 

[Kendall]

Who would you prefer to AVB?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against him, I just don't see him as the saviour and the guy who will lead us to the light like a lot do. We've not played very good football under him at all really in my view, but I don't want him gone or anything like that, I just think the pressure is on now. He has the most talented squad on paper of any Spurs manager in my lifetime. It's time for him to shine. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years he was still here and we were playing good stuff, but equally, I wouldn't be surprised if we're sat here talking about him like we do Jol.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against him, I just don't see him as the saviour and the guy who will lead us to the light like a lot do. We've not played very good football under him at all really in my view.

What is your opinion of good football Kendall, playing like we did with VDV and Modric with the King at the back and Defoe and Crouch up front?

I think the team now is alot better performance wise, I agree its not as beautiful and not as great to watch but we are still winning and grinding out results.

 

[Kendall]

What is your opinion of good football Kendall, playing like we did with VDV and Modric with the King at the back and Defoe and Crouch up front?

I think the team now is alot better performance wise, I agree its not as beautiful and not as great to watch but we are still winning and grinding out results.

Yes I preferred it when we were entertaining and moved the ball quickly. I don't think we move the ball quickly at all. I think we're a bit like Mourinho's Chelsea (who most on here said they would hate to be like, despite winning) but less efficient/effective.

In fact, I have noticed a distinct disappearence of terms such as 'The Tottenham Way' that loads on here used to repeat all the time (I actually disliked it). There seems to have been a shift where we're happy with slow, painful football where we struggle to create anything meaningful - well, as long as Bale comes up with a screamer.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What is your opinion of good football Kendall, playing like we did with VDV and Modric with the King at the back and Defoe and Crouch up front?

I think the team now is alot better performance wise, I agree its not as beautiful and not as great to watch but we are still winning and grinding out results.

Good football to me is what I see with my own eyes when I'm at the game, and not have to read the stats after the match to tell myself that we played well. I see where Kendall is coming from and feel a bit like him at the moment.

Biggest nonsense for me was the Arsenal game, I think people have gone bananas trying to claim that as a good performance but that's been done to death so we wont mention it. And I haven't been overly convinced with Palace or Swansea performances either (both games I was at), I very much like AVB as a person though so I have absolutely no inclination to even think about wanting someone else, more than happy for him to have a couple of seasons to sort things out.

We do have a ridiculous squad now though and need to kick on.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Yes I preferred it when we were entertaining and moved the ball quickly. I don't think we move the ball quickly at all. I think we're a bit like Mourinho's Chelsea (who most on here said they would hate to be like, despite winning) but less efficient/effective.

In fact, I have noticed a distinct disappearence of terms such as 'The Tottenham Way' that loads on here used to repeat all the time (I actually disliked it). There seems to have been a shift where we're happy with slow, painful football where we struggle to create anything meaningful - well, as long as Bale comes up with a screamer.

Would you sacrifice results for your viewing pleasure?

I doubt it.

I believe the end game under AVB is for us to become, a quick passing, high pressing team that strangles the opposition and creates chance after chance and allowing the opposition very little at the other end.

With the ilk of players brought in I cant imagine our play will remain to be dull and unimaginative for much longer.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Good football to me is what I see with my own eyes when I'm at the game, and not have to read the stats after the match to tell myself that we played well. I see where Kendall is coming from and feel a bit like him at the moment.

Biggest nonsense for me was the Arsenal game, I think people have gone bananas trying to claim that as a good performance but that's been done to death so we wont mention it. And I haven't been overly convinced with Palace or Swansea performances either (both games I was at), I very much like AVB as a person though so I have absolutely no inclination to even think about wanting someone else, more than happy for him to have a couple of seasons to sort things out.

We do have a ridiculous squad now though and need to kick on.

I see where both you and Kendall are coming from. I to would love nothing more than to see us play beautiful exciting football creating chances every time we go forward and I believe that is what we are working towards. I personally would not trade results for a boner tho.

 

[Kendall]

Would you sacrifice results for your viewing pleasure?

I doubt it.

I believe the end game under AVB is for us to become, a quick passing, high pressing team that strangles the opposition and creates chance after chance and allowing the opposition very little at the other end.

With the ilk of players brought in I cant imagine our play will remain to be dull and unimaginative for much longer.

Like I say - it better not do. I like to be entertained with football, not give up my Saturdays and evenings to watch a snore fest. The question for me is whether the results of last year were AVBs or Bale's.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

In answer to the thread starter though, I'm 29 so haven't been blessed with the old success that a lot of people have, and one of the main reasons that I had no real problem with the Redknapp era. I hadn't been spoiled with entertaining football or having a margin of success (in this day and age finishing 4th is success in the eyes of many of the public). I grew up watching Gascoigne but was still too young to appreciate anything else than his gelled hair and fake tits on 'Spitting Image'.

The 90s weren't particularly 'dark' for me, because I didn't really know anything different, for me the darkest was when the club lost it's soul during the Comolli/Ramos days. I didn't particularly rate Jol as a coach, but he was a good cuddly bear and always rivalled Redknapp for the best soundbites. But the way we sacked him and installed Ramos was a dark period, especially as Comolli was a complete **** as well. You can talk all you like about 'yeah but he signed so and so'. Fact is, Comolli was a ****, as was Ramos, and it's no surprise that after babysitting the RM job for half a season because one thing Juande did well was talk Spanish, that his career has reached no further than managing in the Ukranian league after another failed stint in Russia. And Comolli? Put lipstick on a pig it's still a fucking pig.

Right now though, I think the Spurs 'brand' is definitely at the highest it's been for a long while, and while it is like it is there is no better man to be in charge than Villas-Boas. Smart, intelligent, and respectful, he's not going to put any noses out of joint that's for sure and he's gone some way to rebuilding his reputation after he fucked up at Chelsea. I'm not convinced by him tactically yet, and I still think that we read a lot of pro-Villas Boas reports from people that are trying to prove themselves right in the wake of them wanting Redknapp out, more a case of 'seeing what you want to see' rather than whatever is happening. But again, I'm not sorry at all we no longer have Redknapp, it was definitely time for him to move on and I don't think we would have seen the level of investment in the squad that we have seen had he still have been here, mainly because we would have no Baldini, and we'd have turned our attentions to players with experience playing at the top level in England.

My aim for this year, is come January, to be more excited at the prospect of our football on show than who we might sign in the transfer window, and I lay that down as a challenge to the sexy ginger bastard Villas-Boas.

 

[Shea]

I see where both you and Kendall are coming from. I to would love nothing more than to see us play beautiful exciting football creating chances every time we go forward and I believe that is what we are working towards. I personally would not trade results for a boner tho.

Right now I'd rather have results than great football - I want us to compete

What I want right now its to see us creating multiple chances every match - how can you get results or compete when the bulk of your chances every match are coming from long range low percentage efforts at goal?

Lamela and Eriksen are hopefully the guys, even holtby, to add that creative spark to what already is shaping up to be a solid Spurs outfit

We might not get the swash buckling style of the Redknapp era again but I do believe with increased creativity will come better football - and we need increased creativity to get the results anyway, so I do think for us to be successful better football and results will have to (to a certain extent) come hand in hand, because without that extra creativity which will bring better football we simply won't be able to get results consistently

We no longer have Bale to rely on for these long range efforts, nor can we expect to get penalties every game. Plus we have a £26m striker who only seems to thrive on in the box action.

So without playing better football and being more creative we won't be getting results - we're going to need to play better to win matches anyway so I don't think its a direct trade off between good football and winning football because for this team to work better football needs to be played anyway

 

[Tottenham_God]

Like I say - it better not do. I like to be entertained with football, not give up my Saturdays and evenings to watch a snore fest. The question for me is whether the results of last year were AVBs or Bale's.

I miss Modric and Van Der Vart

Even Niko sometimes.

 

[Kendall]

I miss Modric and Van Der Vart

Even Niko sometimes.

I know it sounds mental, but some days I miss Chimbonda! There were times when he was brilliant at getting that ball into the box from deep, or playing Lennon in during the Jol days. Nowhere near the athletic ability of Walker, but dare I say a slice more intelligence on the ball.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I miss Modric and Van Der Vart

Even Niko sometimes.

He was a sexy mother fucker as well. Christ we used to be a good looking team.

 

[Kendall]

He was a sexy mother fucker as well. Christ we used to be a good looking team.

My Mrs was genuinely in love with Niko and I couldn't begrudge her.

Now she likes all the Belgians

 

[Tottenham_God]

My Mrs was genuinely in love with Niko and I couldn't begrudge her.

Now she likes all the Belgians

Niko seems to be to have a little bit more Christian Gray about him then Chadli..

 

[Tottenham_God]

He was a sexy mother fucker as well. Christ we used to be a good looking team.

Modric and Crouch.. oops

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Modric and Crouch.. oops

Every kid needs a superhero...

 

[Tottenham_God]

Every kid needs a superhero...

Gilberto and Rocha were mine.