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A carabao cup win would do me. We aren't challenging for the title anytime soon.
There's always next year.... ???
A carabao cup win would do me. We aren't challenging for the title anytime soon.
Didn’t Jose finish above Klopp, in second place, whilst he was at United? He also won more trophies there too before he left.
Pep at City is different of course. Nothing Klopp has done in his career can match Jose’s achievements as a manager. Not even comparable as it stands.
Pep and Klopp have both had everything carved out for them though, especially Pep.Mourinho was unable to challenge City for the title with the biggest transfer budget and wage bill in the league. During his time at Utd both Pep and Klopp have shown themselves to be superior managers IMO so whilst those two are still managing here I don't see how Mourinho gets us a PL title with our inferior resources.
So that leaves the cups. Now I know I will get loads of disagrees on this bit I’m not really overly fussed about the FA and league cups. I understand why players and managers care about trophies, it’s their career and they want to look back at things they won etc but as a fan they aren’t the be all and end all for me.
I personally place far more importance on the quality of the football I go to watch week in week out over winning a cup. If you gave me the choice of reliving a spurs season from the last 15 years there would be a few I would pick ahead of the 2007/08 season.
I know I’m very much alone in this kind of thinking and I don’t expect other fans to agree but it’s how I view supporting spurs and why I’m not fully aboard the Mourinho train. There’s a trade off with him and I’m not sure it’s a price I would pay for a cup or two.
Saying that, if Klopp and Pep were to pack up and leave tomorrow and the league became a possibility I would be looking to board that train ASAP...
On hindsight, Poch really should have left before the season starts after the CL final. Maybe we would have gotten Mourinho and challenging the title now. We do have the squad this season. But instead we are fucked now.A carabao cup win would do me. We aren't challenging for the title anytime soon.
I do agree about the quality of football though @skiba
Problem is, we’re awful to watch and have been for a while under Poch. Harry produced far more entertaining football and the most entertaining football I’ve seen at Tottenham for a season or two.
So right now, if it’s a toss up between the dire stuff we watch under Poch and crap results or dire stuff under Jose but with great results, I’d take the second one I think!
Fast forward 3 years, we’re playing clueless stuff with the same manager and players.Last season at the Lane was easily the best football I’ve seen at spurs and trumps Redknapp IMO but I agree with you on the rest.
Pep and Klopp have both had everything carved out for them though, especially Pep.
He has his mates above him who get him what he needs.
The structure and model within the club is similar to what he had at Barca.
He was basically given free reign and hasn't had to deal with being told he can't sign players.
He struggled with his defence and was then allowed to spend an obscene amount of money on Walker, Laporte, Stones, Ederson, Mendy and Danilo. Basically an entire new defence.
I agree Pep is a better coach in a lot of respects and I'd prefer to play for him but Mourinho is tactically up there with the very very best and he's a winner through and through. I think both Pep and Klopp would have struggled at United and I believe they both turned the United job down due to not wanting to follow Fergie and seeing the mess.
The squad that Fergie left was abysmal. Rooney was a complete shadow, Van Persie was on his last legs, Smalling and Jones were the defensive partnership as Vidic and Ferdinand both left. Moyes could do nothing with it, Van Gaal bloated it even more, so Mourinho had a mountain of problems to contend with. He made mistakes but I think if he had the support like Klopp and Pep had he'd have won a title.
It's not just about money either, he wasn't backed on decisions which undermined his position. He could see Martial was disruptive so tried to ship him out but Woodward blocked it. He could see Pogba's ego was bigger than the club but again, not allowed to sell. Both Pep and Klopp were backed with these big decisions (Toure, Sakho).
If you value a player who disrupts the harmony if the team over the manager you will always run into problems.
Another example - at Chelsea Mourinho had massive issues with Hazard and Costa. Conte comes in and everything is fine and dandy again. A year later and Hazard and Costa are causing problems again.
If you hire a coach to win then you have to support him to the fullest. I don't think Mourinho got that at United.
Pep is more like the fire, whereas Mourinho is more like the firefighter.
I have to agree. The energy and the feeling of invincibility at home was something I've never experienced.Last season at the Lane was easily the best football I’ve seen at spurs and trumps Redknapp IMO but I agree with you on the rest.
I don't think we have issues with egotistical players, our issue is players who Poch can no longer get a tune out of because the message is old and they probably realise the opportunity to win something has gone. They've lost that drive.So why would it be different here? Poch has struggled to shift the players he doesn’t want as well. Jose was given way more money then he will ever get at Spurs and still couldn’t get near Pep.
I have to agree. The energy and the feeling of invincibility at home was something I've never experienced.
The football was really entertaining with Redknapp and when we were on a roll we well and truly were. But we'd still lose 1-0 to Wigan and other crap teams
Oh well its a done deal then lolAndy gray on bein sports thinks Jose is going to spurs when poch leaves.
I think the redknapp team with Lennon bale Madrid and van der Vaart player the best football I’ve seen to be honest. They pace and movement was incredible and all of those players in their peak bar mabye Lennon would get in our team now.Last season at the Lane was easily the best football I’ve seen at spurs and trumps Redknapp IMO but I agree with you on the rest.
I think you're spot on and that you hit the nail as we say in norwegian (or does that expression work in english too?). Pochettino has probably done all he can now. When there are no more ideas and spirit it's time for a change. It does not mean that Poch is less good. He's been great, but the time has come for a good change.I don't think we have issues with egotistical players, our issue is players who Poch can no longer get a tune out of because the message is old and they probably realise the opportunity to win something has gone. They've lost that drive.
With Mourinho they may get that drive back and there would be a new message to hear "To win". No projects, no rebuilds, no contradictions, no same training methods. Just go out to win.
Interestingly, I heard Mourinho never does the same training session twice.
Guess you mean Modric and not Madrid..? Yes, that was that times best midfield of PL..!I think the redknapp team with Lennon bale Madrid and van der Vaart player the best football I’ve seen to be honest. They pace and movement was incredible and all of those players in their peak bar mabye Lennon would get in our team now.
We say 'hit the nail on the head' and thanks!I think you're spot on and that you hit the nail as we say in norwegian (or does that expression work in english too?). Pochettino has probably done all he can now. When there are no more ideas and spirit it's time for a change. It does not mean that Poch is less good. He's been great, but the time has come for a good change.