Next Spurs Manager (No longer with groundbreaking 'Change vote' functionality)

Who do you want as next Spurs manager?

  • Allegri

    Votes: 214 21.5%
  • Mourinho

    Votes: 258 25.9%
  • Wenger

    Votes: 9 0.9%
  • Pleat

    Votes: 4 0.4%
  • Ten Hag

    Votes: 54 5.4%
  • Wagner

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Howe

    Votes: 36 3.6%
  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 75 7.5%
  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 16 1.6%
  • Keep Poch (lol)

    Votes: 166 16.6%
  • Rodgers

    Votes: 49 4.9%
  • de Boer (Poch mk2)

    Votes: 3 0.3%
  • Benitez

    Votes: 50 5.0%
  • Sherwood

    Votes: 6 0.6%
  • Bus-Conductor

    Votes: 26 2.6%
  • Goat (ffs)

    Votes: 6 0.6%
  • WalkerBoyUK’s lad’s u14 coach

    Votes: 8 0.8%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 7 0.7%
  • Marco Rose

    Votes: 4 0.4%
  • freeeki

    Votes: 5 0.5%

  • Total voters
    997
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DJS

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The thing is lately Poch just seems to throw his team out and hope for the best.

There’s no tactics or looking to play to a particular players strength.

Someone with a bit more tactical nouse (who is able to actually make decent subs as well) would be nice, although I continue to hope Poch can turn it around. Although I’m doubtful.
 

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Just a thought, but surely finances for players would be discussed in great depth and understood prior to Levy and Mourinho agreeing anything. I think Mourinho has sufficient ego to want to prove he’s not a spent force, and as such taking on a job with instant playing options like Kane, Son, Alli, Ndombele etc would be a great starting point. Equally, he may want to show he can deliver without being seen to buy his way out.

Not 100% he’s the answer, however I do believe appointing someone with a winning track record like Jose or Allegri would go some way to rallying the senior players more than the appointment of a promising ‘Project Manager’.

Now, whether we are at the point of targeting a big name and backing them to their requirements is a different story. Maybe with a stadium still to pay off (even allowing for the refinance), maybe we are still at the project stage for a little while longer yet. If so, then focus on the academy and development squad recruitment and coaching, alongside a manager more tactically astute and focused on using the younger players, allied with a better development strategy (loans etc) is the way forward.
I suspect we will gravitate to a "Project" manager, as we have been a work in progress project for the last 58 years.
 

Shadydan

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The thing is lately Poch just seems to throw his team out and hope for the best.

There’s no tactics or looking to play to a particular players strength.

Someone with a bit more tactical nouse (who is able to actually make decent subs as well) would be nice, although I continue to hope Poch can turn it around. Although I’m doubtful.
You don't need to be a tactician to tell the players to run more and up their game. You can see the players have dropped off, it looks to me as if they're bored.
 

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You don't need to be a tactician to tell the players to run more and up their game. You can see the players have dropped off, it looks to me as if they're bored.
I was on a leadership course years ago run by an ex-army Brigadier who just happened to be a fellow Spurs fan and sit in the Paxton. One module of the course dealt with setting goals, he used Spurs, Ramos and Harry as an example as it would be understood by simple plebs like me, in short, he explained that Ramos set his goal, took the team there but once he achieved his goal he didn't reset it. Those of us who were around in 2008 will remember that after winning the League Cup our form dropped off the edge of a cliff and Ramos was sacked in October. It seems to me to be a case of the same thing, Poch hasn't reset the squad's goals since June and he's lost them.
 

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Fraid he’s at the stage of his career where he’s coasting. There was lots of noise at Bayern that he hardly attended training. One of the Bayern management joked that he knew the city’s top restaurant menus better than the playing squad.

That type of late-era Fergie manager, is almost like an executive chef, who designs a restaurant menu, but then other people do all the cooking. It’s just not the kind of manager we need in my opinion. We need a strong hand who’s going to push players and the club on.

(I realise this post became quite cooking-heavy!)
He still won the league with Bayern when he was there. I've never heard the rumours about him coasting or not turning up to training. His teams always play attractive, winning football and he's won trophies at every club he's managed. His CV is ridiculous.

Granted, we would be better served with a longer term appointment but right now we just need to get back to winning and I feel like an Ancelotti/Mourinho type could come in for 3 years or so, get us winning again with what we currently have and we can set about sorting out the squad in the meantime and have it in much better shape for the next appointment.

The reality is that if Poch goes then we will need a manager like Nagelsmann or Marco Rose etc but both of them are less than a year into their current jobs and so likely unattainable. Even Brendan Rodgers would be almost impossible to get because he's on to such a good thing at Leicester and only been there 2 mins.
 

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Ancelotti isn't the one I'm afraid, he has limitations on his managerial ability and he's short term...if we're going for short term we might as well go for Jose.
 

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I was on a leadership course years ago run by an ex-army Brigadier who just happened to be a fellow Spurs fan and sit in the Paxton. One module of the course dealt with setting goals, he used Spurs, Ramos and Harry as an example as it would be understood by simple plebs like me, in short, he explained that Ramos set his goal, took the team there but once he achieved his goal he didn't reset it. Those of us who were around in 2008 will remember that after winning the League Cup our form dropped off the edge of a cliff and Ramos was sacked in October. It seems to me to be a case of the same thing, Poch hasn't reset the squad's goals since June and he's lost them.
I personally think the CL final loss broke him. I think that in his head he'd already been feeling like he might be done with his time at Spurs and that's why he said if he won it, he would leave as it would be the perfect way to wrap up a great 5 years. The problem is that having lost the final he didn't know how to deal with it. He was absolutely beside himself. The loss he felt was clear and he then went to his home in Barca and essentially mourned for 10 days, not leaving the house. When I heard that it concerned me greatly. Other managers would be defiant in that loss and say no, we will bounce back from this. Determination would have pushed it's way to forefront and he'd have reset and gone again.

Poch is known to be a deep thinker and very emotional. He admitted once that his mother used to say that he cried at everything (something like that). I honestly think he needs a break from football. 12 month sabatical at the least. His heart is not just not at Spurs anymore, it's not in football anymore IMO. I think the players can see it and feel it and will know about how he reacted after the CL final and they've lost faith in him.
 

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I personally think the CL final loss broke him. I think that in his head he'd already been feeling like he might be done with his time at Spurs and that's why he said if he won it, he would leave as it would be the perfect way to wrap up a great 5 years. The problem is that having lost the final he didn't know how to deal with it. He was absolutely beside himself. The loss he felt was clear and he then went to his home in Barca and essentially mourned for 10 days, not leaving the house. When I heard that it concerned me greatly. Other managers would be defiant in that loss and say no, we will bounce back from this. Determination would have pushed it's way to forefront and he'd have reset and gone again.

Poch is known to be a deep thinker and very emotional. He admitted once that his mother used to say that he cried at everything (something like that). I honestly think he needs a break from football. 12 month sabatical at the least. His heart is not just not at Spurs anymore, it's not in football anymore IMO. I think the players can see it and feel it and will know about how he reacted after the CL final and they've lost faith in him.
Sadly, I think this might be spot on.
 

Shadydan

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I personally think the CL final loss broke him. I think that in his head he'd already been feeling like he might be done with his time at Spurs and that's why he said if he won it, he would leave as it would be the perfect way to wrap up a great 5 years. The problem is that having lost the final he didn't know how to deal with it. He was absolutely beside himself. The loss he felt was clear and he then went to his home in Barca and essentially mourned for 10 days, not leaving the house. When I heard that it concerned me greatly. Other managers would be defiant in that loss and say no, we will bounce back from this. Determination would have pushed it's way to forefront and he'd have reset and gone again.

Poch is known to be a deep thinker and very emotional. He admitted once that his mother used to say that he cried at everything (something like that). I honestly think he needs a break from football. 12 month sabatical at the least. His heart is not just not at Spurs anymore, it's not in football anymore IMO. I think the players can see it and feel it and will know about how he reacted after the CL final and they've lost faith in him.
Very good observation that.
 

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If so, a loss at the pikey's in our next match could be the end of him. It would be a very sad occasion for all of us, but perhaps it's something we as a club need, all things considered.

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Losing to the Hammeroids is never something we need or ever acceptable.
 

danielneeds

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He still won the league with Bayern when he was there. I've never heard the rumours about him coasting or not turning up to training. His teams always play attractive, winning football and he's won trophies at every club he's managed. His CV is ridiculous.

Granted, we would be better served with a longer term appointment but right now we just need to get back to winning and I feel like an Ancelotti/Mourinho type could come in for 3 years or so, get us winning again with what we currently have and we can set about sorting out the squad in the meantime and have it in much better shape for the next appointment.

The reality is that if Poch goes then we will need a manager like Nagelsmann or Marco Rose etc but both of them are less than a year into their current jobs and so likely unattainable. Even Brendan Rodgers would be almost impossible to get because he's on to such a good thing at Leicester and only been there 2 mins.
What does winning the league with Bayern really mean in the last 15-20 years though? It’s really only notable for the managers who haven’t won it with them.

Ancelotti has been a great man manager in his time, but football is constantly moving forward and I think he’s be a poor appointment.
 

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You don't need to be a tactician to tell the players to run more and up their game. You can see the players have dropped off, it looks to me as if they're bored.
They're not the only ones. So it's just us poor buggers who have to pay to watch them being bored? They all need a good kick up the arse if they're bored. You reckon they're also 'bored' with £100,000+ per week going into their bank accounts?

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NEVILLEB

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Reading Clive Allen’s book about Redknapp’s departure and there’s echoes of what’s happening to Poch.

Poor transfers along with the injuries/departure of key players (Ledley King/Mousa Dembele) putting the Managers under pressure.

Allen didn’t put down Redknapp’s departure to the England speculation as has been mentioned on here many times.
 

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I personally think the CL final loss broke him. I think that in his head he'd already been feeling like he might be done with his time at Spurs and that's why he said if he won it, he would leave as it would be the perfect way to wrap up a great 5 years. The problem is that having lost the final he didn't know how to deal with it. He was absolutely beside himself. The loss he felt was clear and he then went to his home in Barca and essentially mourned for 10 days, not leaving the house. When I heard that it concerned me greatly. Other managers would be defiant in that loss and say no, we will bounce back from this. Determination would have pushed it's way to forefront and he'd have reset and gone again.

Poch is known to be a deep thinker and very emotional. He admitted once that his mother used to say that he cried at everything (something like that). I honestly think he needs a break from football. 12 month sabatical at the least. His heart is not just not at Spurs anymore, it's not in football anymore IMO. I think the players can see it and feel it and will know about how he reacted after the CL final and they've lost faith in him.
That’s very possible but it doesn’t explain or excuse the form and performances since the beginning of last season nor the terrible results since February. So whilst the CL final may have terminally deflated Poch, he was already losing the team and his tenure was falling apart months before that. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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That’s very possible but it doesn’t explain or excuse the form and performances since the beginning of last season nor the terrible results since February. So whilst the CL final may have terminally deflated Poch, he was already losing the team and his tenure was falling apart months before that. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Hmmm...gave you the benefit of the doubt for the last couple of weeks. Now edging on you being a troll.

Too angry mate, it’s Friday go and have a beer.
 

Shadydan

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They're not the only ones. So it's just us poor buggers who have to pay to watch them being bored? They all need a good kick up the arse if they're bored. You reckon they're also 'bored' with £100,000+ per week going into their bank accounts?

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Yeah I reckon I'd get bored if I was getting that much money after a while
 
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