Next Manager Watch

[journeyman]

I would have had Poch, Nagelsmann & Slot as better options. But clearly none of those were runners ultimately, so I’m happy to give 100% support to Ange now. He plays football the way it should be played, he’s hugely charismatic and the Celtic fans love him.

100% support includes staying the course while the players are learning the new approach, even if that means suffering through home defeats to likes of Fulham or Brentford in September or October. There was a definite settling in period for Postecoglou at Celtic before he got everyone on the same page. We will have to “trust the process” for a number of months now. That should be far more feasible for a manager committed to front-foot possession-based football rather than Nuno-ball.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

On a personal level i'm really disappointed that we're going down the route of Ange. Just not what I want for our club and the direction I expect us to go in. For me there are more ?'s than answers and that's a horrible position to be in.

For those that were about the night where I splurged a lot of info, him being next in line after Slot wont be a surprise.

Got to say I was still hoping it wouldn’t happen, that Celtic would be able to pursued him or he would have doubts about us but it seems all the talk coming out today is that it’s pretty much a sure thing at this point. I know many on here really like him and want him but personally I’m disappointed considering who else is available. That’s just where I’m at.

Tbh with him being with BASE and the City Group connection i guess it’s not surprising.

 

[Hertsspur10]

This is a genuine question as I am not old enough to remember back then.. what was the standard of the French league back then? Would winning it with Monaco then be similar to Celtic in the Scottish Prem now?

Being born in 1991, I have no recollection or knowledge of English football from that period, let alone French.

For some perspective Marseille won the UCL and were a UCL finalist during the period Wenger won ligue 1 and the french cup with Monaco.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

On a personal level i'm really disappointed that we're going down the route of Ange. Just not what I want for our club and the direction I expect us to go in. For me there are more ?'s than answers and that's a horrible position to be in.

For those that were about the night where I splurged a lot of info, him being next in line after Slot wont be a surprise.

Ah yes it was you who had the ITK.

It was good to know the candidates you listed were arrived to by rigorous analytics rather than just taking a punt on someone because of reputation alone.

 

[Trix]

I was responding to someone that didn't have the correct information.

I know its easier to close your eyes and pretend we’re not hiring a league one level manager but I’m not doing that.

Also the videos of him shouting have been posted at least 420 times

How do you know he's league one level? Celtic are certainly better than league 1 standard. The real question is what is his ceiling and no one currently knows the answer to that? It's OK to be disappointed we haven't brought in someone with more of a track record in Europe(I am), and you are right that video proves nothing at all. If he'd have struggled somewhere else we might have some idea about how high he could go, but the fact is he's won the league wherever he has been and so can't do much more with what he had.

 

[Trix]

This is a genuine question as I am not old enough to remember back then.. what was the standard of the French league back then? Would winning it with Monaco then be similar to Celtic in the Scottish Prem now?

Being born in 1991, I have no recollection or knowledge of English football from that period, let alone French.

Very good.

 

[GMI]

This is a genuine question as I am not old enough to remember back then.. what was the standard of the French league back then? Would winning it with Monaco then be similar to Celtic in the Scottish Prem now?

Being born in 1991, I have no recollection or knowledge of English football from that period, let alone French.

The French league was relatively strong back in the late 80's/early 90's, with Monaco and Marseille both being decent. Marseille won the Champions League in '93 in one of the worst finals I have every seen. Not only was Hoddle at Monaco Waddle was at Marseille and Clive Allen at Bordeaux.

 

[PrettyColors]

I’ve always said that the DoF appointment is twice as important as the manager for this team.

we are not close to contending for anything. We will probably be in a dog fight for just Europa league next year.

Ange will be a transitional manager who gets us playing proper again and we need a DoF to turn us into Brighton.

This is the only way we ever challenge City and the super clubs. Stop living in denial.

We need to become Brentford on steroids. It is literally our only singular hope.

 

[spursfan77]

Silva absolutely is another pragmatic, defensive Portuguese coach.

He would be one of the worst possible picks.

For context with Silva and why I’d be so depressed.

Not only is he another defensive and reactive coach (completely against what we want to see!), his performance at Fulham has actually papered over massive cracks.

They were 14th for xG and bottom for xGA this season. Essentially they were very lucky and in most seasons would have been in the relegation dogfight. Those stats aren’t sustainable.

If we are truly moving towards using data analytics, we wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.

Reeks of a paratici choice then. Back up to Enrique.

That’s why it’s so important to get a new DoF. Stop listening to paratici and to Munn who is as qualified to pick a new coach as levy is. They’re both suits.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

But it seems all the talk coming out today is that it’s pretty much a sure thing at this point

Insert suitable 'hold my beer' gif.

 

[Gingernut]

I’ve always said that the DoF appointment is twice as important as the manager for this team.

we are not close to contending for anything. We will probably be in a dog fight for just Europa league next year.

Ange will be a transitional manager who gets us playing proper again and we need a DoF to turn us into Brighton.

This is the only way we ever challenge City and the super clubs. Stop living in denial.

We need to become Brentford on steroids. It is literally our only singular hope.

This statement shocks me

 

[Trix]

The whole reason Ferguson got brought up is because a poster suggested coaching in Scotland is "not even remotely close to the Premier League"
The comparison wasn't meant to be literal, but of course you Harry Hotspur types like to take everything out of context...

But it isn't comparable now, like it was then. Anyone half decent from Scotland is snapped up by the Prem clubs and back then top English players often went North of the border to play for the bigger teams, that would never happen now. there isn't a comparison to make literal or not, because of how much the landscape has changed. Other than they both managed in Scotland of course.

 

[YIDfromtheLANE]

Two great thoughtful posts from you and RJR there.

Some thoughts to add to this….highly assuming Levy will implement a plan, not a sticking plaster.

The club has been left to drift, so broken and now so far away the strategy is a closer to a ground up build not an overnight fix or tweak that comes with a couple of appointments and buying and selling a few players.

A mid to long term plan will go through the gears, a project we now need with the acknowledgment it requires a fluid multi phased approach and patience.

That will involve a coach with the qualities and experience to lay the foundation, get the club playing the right way, imbed the philosophy and culture we want. That coach may well be the guy that takes it all the way. But for now maybe we would should be looking at appointing a guy that meets phase 1., rather than the guy that wins the lot.

Once a way of playing is in and around the club, the mood positive. Next phase is to pause and assess. Where have we got to, what is working, what needs attention and we come into implementing tweaks rather than wholesale change. Review the next set of challenges and who is best to navigate us to that step. May well be the same guy as phase 1. Maybe needs someone else?

Key to all of this is patience, periodic check ins to make an honest review of what is working and what has gone wrong, and what needs to be done to keep taking the club forward with a plan. And to stress not trying to find the next best thing now, which is a biggie.

its pretty much the Brighton way, we have better resources so would hope we can attract the right kind of people but it is all reliant on having a vision and plan…..that’s the crux I guess.

This was my recent take. Ange feels like a phase 1 approach. I’m on board with it.

 

[Kirito]

How do you know he's league one level? Celtic are certainly better than league 1 standard. The real question is what is his ceiling and no one currently knows the answer to that? It's OK to be disappointed we haven't brought in someone with more of a track record in Europe(I am), and you are right that video proves nothing at all. If he'd have struggled somewhere else we might have some idea about how high he could go, but the fact is he's won the league wherever he has been and so can't do much more with what he had.

Im just a counter to the overly optimistic bunch that say he plays scintillating football and think he can do no wrong.

The ratings I've posted show that the Scottish Prem is on a par with League one so for me thats the level he has managed at.

Ive said it before that I’ll support him if he comes in but it’s still wild how we can push on so much then seemingly regress within the space of 6 months.

If this doesn’t work out then Levy really needs to go and ive been someone that supported him for a long time.

 

[spursfan77]

On a personal level i'm really disappointed that we're going down the route of Ange. Just not what I want for our club and the direction I expect us to go in. For me there are more ?'s than answers and that's a horrible position to be in.

For those that were about the night where I splurged a lot of info, him being next in line after Slot wont be a surprise.

I don’t get why we’ve set up the data recruitment route and then going for a guy who wants to do the recruitment himself. It makes no sense unless he’s going to buy into that.

I agree with you though. I find it a disappointing appointment.

 

[tottenhamlad]

Celtic would beat us that is for sure haha!

 

[only1waddle]

I doubt Ange would set us up against Milan like a coward, one nil down, at home, like our proven winner did..

 

[Snarfalicious]

 

[Harrier]

The whole reason Ferguson got brought up is because a poster suggested coaching in Scotland is "not even remotely close to the Premier League"
The comparison wasn't meant to be literal, but of course you Harry Hotspur types like to take everything out of context...

You brought up SAF’s time at Aberdeen as some sort of justification for appointing Postecoglou, when the pairs’ achievements while managing in Scotland are far from comparable!!

When pointed out that your argument is flawed it’s ‘out of context’!

 

[tommo84]

If it’s to be Ange I’m happy (albeit still with huge reservations about Levy’s influence and the structure/DoF appointment, and questions over why we don’t/didn’t want Nagelsmann or Poch).

If we don’t get Ange then he’ll end up somewhere else in the EPL. And maybe he would fail there but maybe he would be a huge success - as he has been everywhere else he’s managed. And if he were to go somewhere else (let’s say, West Ham) and succeed there playing great football, we would have missed our opportunity to have him here. The EPL is increasingly competitive and we’ve lost our way, so anyone thinking Spurs can cherry pick successful coaches from other EPL clubs in the next 2/3 years is dreaming -especially when the other 19 clubs all seem to hate us/Levy in particular!

Every managerial appointment is a massive gamble, and even after you bring them in there is usually a test of nerve for the club as to whether to stick or twist - Poch’s first few months with Spurs were seriously rocky on the pitch for example. Given his track record and recent success with Celtic, somebody is going to take a punt on Postecoglou. Why shouldn’t that be us?

After all, to dare is to do.

N.B. He’ll probably sign a bumper new contract with Celtic now I’ve said all this!