Next Manager Watch

[Archibald&Crooks]

Roll on Monday and the locking of this cesspit

 

[Hotspur33]

Roll on Monday and the locking of this cesspit

I’ll see you in the transfer thread

 

[Yantino]

If he’s the right fit for the club and will embed a decent brand of football then I’m all for it. I’m also not sure how different he is from slot. Other than more hair.

 

[ssamme]

Roll on Monday and the locking of this cesspit

But once we have sorted out the Ladies Team manager, we need to move onto the Men's team

 

[Gingernut]

I was responding to someone that didn't have the correct information.

I know its easier to close your eyes and pretend we’re not hiring a league one level manager but I’m not doing that.

Also the videos of him shouting have been posted at least 420 times

Yes it is pretty obvious that you aren't doing that but your posts on the subject now sound like an annoying preacher.

The guy might not be up to your standards but he plays decent football, fans seem to like him and we do not have a lot of choices left considering that Levy has burnt so many bridges/options.

Time to back whoever we appoint rather than moaning about a potential manager being a 'league one manager'...blah blah blah

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

If he’s the right fit for the club and will embed a decent brand of football then I’m all for it. I’m also not sure how different he is from slot. Other than more hair.

I didn't even want Slot, but people saying "Ange and Slot are basically the same" are either wilfully ignorant or just naturally ignorant.

 

[Grey Fox]

Are people forgetting that Wenger came as unknown from the J league, hmmm

 

[McFlash]

I am relatively calm about Ange as manager.

Ange as head of recruitment for a PL team screams: "Best Disaster Movie of 2023!"

I think Paratici did quite a lot of work improving our scouting set up and if I remember correctly, his highly thought of 'head of recruitment' (or some title) is still with us.

They will do most of the scouting and stuff, I would have thought.
Levy will not let a manager have total control over such things, he rarely ever has.

 

[FinnYid]

Praying for Enrique at this point, Ange will be a Nuno 2.0, please God dont appoint him.

Ange has nothing to do with Nuno, there are no parallels.

 

[C1w8]

They both got Levy'd....... I think Jose's shown what he"s about even with the loss last night...... I'll be very surprised if Conte not picking up trophy in the near future.....

I get that the styles not a good fit.... But let's get this right, Levy never intended supporting these guys like they wanted, and when Jose got near a trophy he sacked him....... you need to look at Levy's failure in those appointments rather than JM & AC......

Joses Roma finished 6th (wouldve been 7th if not for juves point deduction and back in the conference league) and play terrible football. After the game yesterday he said he deserves better and is tired of being the guy who has to make excuses/talk about losing (words to that effect).

Whether he got "Levyd" or not, that is his who he is and im glad we got shot of him, albeit 1 week too early.

 

[Dillspur]

People need to learn and stop making 'absolute' predictions.

Many of us said Conte and Jose were guaranteed to win us something. That never happened.

No-one has a clue!!

Let's be fair. Everyone also said they wouldn't last and both reigns ended as predicted

 

[jbstarr14]

God doesn't get to choose, Levy does...

Please tell me the irony in this is deliberate…

 

[Hertsspur10]

Are people forgetting that Wenger came as unknown from the J league, hmmm

Won the title with Monaco before spending 1 year in the J league.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I didn't even want Slot, but people saying "Ange and Slot are basically the same" are either wilfully ignorant or just naturally ignorant.

The old nature v nurture argument.

 

[Kirito]

Yes it is pretty obvious that you aren't doing that but your posts on the subject now sound like an annoying preacher.

The guy might not be up to your standards but he plays decent football, fans seem to like him and we do not have a lot of choices left considering that Levy has burnt so many bridges/options.

Time to back whoever we appoint rather than moaning about a potential manager being a 'league one manager'...blah blah blah

Alright then fuck it. Darren Moore has been great this season, if thats our level then so be it.

He’s a nice bloke, plays good football and the fans love him.

 

[olithfc]

anything to worry about with the Silva links?

 

[wrd]

Without any inside knowledge to prove my thesis, I'm of the assumption that lumping Conte and Nagelsmann together makes them both a disservice. While I agree that micromanaging, especially with Levy, won't work I think the larger part of why for example Conte didn't was because of the way he communicates and inevitably falls out with those around him after a while.
One could, for example, argue that Conte's never really had control anywhere he's been and he's still won titles. We can argue Conte's backing and/or lack of thereof at Spurs back and forth, but I'll argue that lack of control in itself wasn't the reason it didn't end well.

My big no-no with any manager is hiring the DoF that they want just to get said manager, as that would make them a pair thus making the longevity of a strategy potentially difficult as the average tenure of a manager is something like two years. What happens if you hire them as a pair and the manager fails after 6 months? Do you fire the DoF too?
That's also where my big question mark around Nagelsmann lies, and if I was to make an assumption one of, if not, the reason for you thinking Nagelsmann wants absolute control?

What I've heard Nagelsmann does well is getting people around on his side and working wonders with relatively small means at both Hoffenheim and Leipzig. By all accounts, he also did very well at Bayern managing the loss and lack of replacement of Lewa and he was simply the victim of Bayern inside politics at the end, a case in point being Salihamidzic's and Kahn's sackings the second the season ended. If anything, I think the noises of him wanting to know how much control and support he'll be getting is simply a defense mechanism as a result of how it ended at Bayern and Levy's reputation.

Also, while being mindful of not trying to make this discussion about Pep I feel that you're oversimplifying his coaching style massively. He's known for drilling his players extremely hard into certain patterns and movements and that perceived freedom his players get is still a part of a highly determined way of playing. The trust is based on them showing him that they can do it the Pep-way. It's a far cry from the Mourinho way of (I know you didn't say that, I just wanted to use it as reference) letting the players find their own solutions in the final third. Pep not only controls how they get there, they are also required to use the ball in the final third in a very certain way as well.

I do agree that we likely need a motivator more than a tinkerer, and I believe our difference of opinion lies in that I might just rate Nagelsmann's soft skills higher than you do?

Yeah I think that's fair reasoning, I think your argument is far better than mine but the problem for me is simply the risk because I think you're completely correct about Conte's communication being his downfall and that's what I was alluding to with the why. The truth is I don't know how good Nagelsmann is at that aspect and he did seem to have issue with the Bayern players somewhat on that front. That doesn't mean that it writes him off as a communicator completely but it's just in that risk area for me and why I'm leaning more towards the Slot/Ange type because it seems to be the basis of their success. As you said it's the soft skills rating and I don't want to make the error of saying one way or another what his ability is for certain, that's where the success is for him at Spurs though if he does come, his ability there.

I agree with what you're saying about the DoF aspect also. One of my concerns was hearing about demands regarding certainties over budget and signings. Now there's no evidence that was true but the fact we came out and said we weren't talking to him means that talks did take place and my feeling is, any manager who wants certainty with Levy is gonna have a rough ride and so adaptability is going to be crucial, at least in the short term, if they can't find agreement that early due to needs for certainty then that's where I don't think they'll succeed at Spurs. That's not a fault of Nagelsmann though, that's the accepting the reality of what the job really is. Not a contest of best manager, a contest of ability to succeed whilst having to manoeuvre around Levy.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Are people forgetting that Wenger came as unknown from the J league, hmmm

Is this the same "unknown" arsene Wenger that had already won ligue 1 and coup de France?

 

[Gingernut]

Alright then fuck it. Darren Moore has been great this season, if thats out level then so be it.

He’s a nice bloke, plays good football and the fans love him.

If that's who ends up being manager, so be it. It is best to support them rather than whinging and moaning!

 

[SpursMonkey]

Are people forgetting that Wenger came as unknown from the J league, hmmm

Not quite unkown .... he spent 7 years at Monaco before his 1 season in the J League. He even signed Glenn Hoddle for Monaco from us