Next Manager Watch

[Whoami?]

So were Shakhtar under De Zerbi tbf.

I think the difference is we've seen De Zerbi in the league and he's got Brighton to finish above for the first time in how many years. Ange would be a massive risk, he'll be against some of the best managers in the world. I'll be shocked if we go for him considering the alternatives who were supposedly available.

 

[max cady]

Have we really fallen so far since Poch’s champs lge final. Since then we have had 2 serial winners and Nuno at the helm and here we are a couple of years later with the board trawling the internet to gauge the fans feelings with regards who the next manager should be. Sir Bill must be rolling in his grave…….one word disgusting.

 

[jpascavitz]

Can't believe some would worship Slot (me as well) but detest Ange due to CV, looks (lol?), And age.

He plays almost identically to slot and pep, talks only about playing attacking football, loves a challenge, and players and supporters love him. Even Celtic fans say he's above Rodgers.

I think he'd be a blessing in disguise and one we could get "lucky" on like Poch

 

[Silver Spur]

Surely there has to be some overarching reason we operate as we do?

Like, it's so incompetent, there has to be some reason for it; something hamstringing the club behind the scenes (and obviously Levy, yes).

I don't see how we can possibly make so many terrible decisions, so many blunders, have such a specific AND non-specific managerial ideal without there being something that us fans just aren't privy to?

DL is a shrewd businessman (benefit of the doubt here). How can he seriously not realise what nearly everybody who supports this club does?

It's perplexing, and the mental gymnastics required to understand what the actual titty fuck we are doing as a club is beyond me and most supporters.

NOT ONE of our decisions follows from the last, makes any sense, is well thought out, demonstrates a directional plan, etc.

We want Naglesmann, no we don't. We want Slot, but not that badly. We need a DOF, but not too desperately. We want to go back to our "DNA", no we don't. We're gonna back a manager, actually no. We've got 150m to spend, no actually it's less. We've learned from our mistakes, we've learned nothing. We have our managerial targets, we've changed our mind. We need a win now manager, nah, we need a project manager. It just goes on and on and on. Everything is reactionary, nothing follows, nothing scans or tracks. Or, it's a flat out LIE to placate the fans when the going gets a bit rough.

The problem with a reactionary approach is the PL changes very quickly. Teams come on strong out of nowhere and the money coming into the league from dubious sources is only ever going to increase, putting us in more jeopardy with our knee-jerk approach. The only thing that competes with that level of increased competitiveness is having a really good plan and sticking to it. We aren't capable of doing that or don't really want to. And we won't be able to knee jerk to every change in a way that doesn't end up costing us credibility or money.

The only thing I can think of that pulls all of this together is simply that the fiscal bottom line is just more important than anything else. Everything we do smacks of cost cutting, yet we WASTE HUUUUGGGGEEEE sums of money on this indecisive approach. It's plain crazy, plain stupidity, plain incompetence and as I've said recently just kind of renders everything pointless - destined to spend eternity in some kind of weird football limbo. Spend just enough to keep us vaguely relevant - between 4th and 7th, and rely on a bit of luck here and there to maybe reach a semi-final occasionally. It's football purgatory. If we don't really want to compete for honours, what is the point? Is THFC simply now a money making vehicle for the investors? (I mean it's always been that, I guess, but when Poch was here I guess the board got lucky with him and the then squad and perhaps pulled the wool over our eyes.)

That for me is the concerning thing. I no longer believe football performance is actually too relevant to the higher-ups. I think it's now about just keeping some value in the entity so ENIC look at the THFC line on their annual report of their vast portfolio and see a percentage increase next to the line in the Excel spreado. We keep being told that we're a well off club. 10th richest in World football. We keep seeing evidence of this in reports and accounts. But that's the only place we see the evidence of it. We sure as fuck don't see any of that evidence in the squad management, the manager backing, the desire to win, the desire to compete.


I think we are being missold, lied to, being taken for idiots and our love of the club being taken advantage of to bleed as much money as possible out of us. I don't think the actual football we have to endure is of any interest or importance to our board so long as they do just enough to keep everyone spending.

****s.

I completely agree with everything you've said here. We're all true supporters on here and we're all really, really hurting!! It's soul destroying to be completely humiliated week in, week out and for nothing to be done to change this. Yet DL was apparently 'devastated' last week when the chants turned against him and had to be consoled by Mrs Levy!!.....God help us, is he really that deluded as to think that we don't hold him responsible for this shit show!!! I don't know of any other scenario where someone so obviously incompetent keeps their job! He claims to be a supporter of THFC - yeah right!

Personally, what I'm struggling with is that we were the first of several clubs to sack their managers and yet they've all made either temporary or permanent appointments and we're almost at the stage of stopping people in the street and offering them the job! Nothing against Ryan Mason but it's not worked has it? The chants were there before Conte went, they know who the fans wanted and ignored them. Also, any self respecting manager who's approached now will know that they're 4th, 5th, 6th choice and will tell Levy where to go and who can blame them?!

The rot has been there for a long while now but what's truly frightening is how it's got sooo bad so quickly. I'll never stop supporting the team but it's difficult to see how this whole shambles will be resolved any time soon.

 

[Impspur1]

Ange has been mentioned a fair few times in here by ITKs so there’s probably something in that one.

Hope so, possibly the last of those linked I’d be really positive about

 

[danielneeds]

I think the difference is we've seen De Zerbi in the league and he's got Brighton to finish above for the first time in how many years. Ange would be a massive risk, he'll be against some of the best managers in the world. I'll be shocked if we go for him considering the alternatives who were supposedly available.

Isn’t the point more that De Zerbi was a risk for Brighton but they took it? He’s obviously got no interest in leaving them for us, so we have to take some risks.

 

[ukdy]

I know that the club can and does look at these sort of data analytics from social media, but as far as choosing a new manager is concerned using it as a benchmark to choose someone is totally ridiculous approach from the club.

That said. we need to pick whoever is the right manager for us, regardless of fan sentiment.

 

[ardiles&villa]

Go get Julian and go get the dof he wants

 

[KingNick]

It doesn’t matter how good the next “top candidate is (I’d have been fine with AP a month ago). With each subsequent step down the choice ladder your eventual hire is going to have a shorter leash from the fans than the previous choice would have gotten. You’re cutting their legs out from under them. Fans will be quicker to say “see this guy is terrible!” after fewer poor results than if you were decisive and got your clear 1st or 2nd choice.

On the bright side with AP he’s not going to be scared of a managerial graveyard since he doesn’t have many jobs left!

Don’t agree with this at all. I think any manager would get exactly the same amount of time with the fans as any other. We could have Ancellotti and if he lost the first 4 games, he’d get it in exactly the same way as any other.

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Look if you don’t know about Ange that’s fine, just admit it. But coming out with “it’s Nuno all over again” or “my mum could win the title with Celtic” is just ignorance really.

He’s incredibly well respected in the game and is universally seen in Scotland as miles ahead tactically of any manager the league has seen in a long time.


He plays fantastic football, and his tactical style is absolutely cutting edge. He uses double floating 8s/Mezzalas like Pep, but prefers to switch up and use wider fullbacks as well as inversion to try and get his team up the pitch faster. His pressing style is relentless and he’s doing this all with a Celtic team that talent wise is a step below a lot of the Rodgers/Lennon treble-treble era.

On top of that, he actually has charisma and gets huge buy ins from players and fans. Celtic fans were furious when he was first linked with him, now they all talk about him like the Messiah.

Fully believe he’s only not higher up our list because of age. But he’s only 57 ffs. He could easily manage 5 years and still be a fine age for a manager. He’s not Roy Hodgson haha.

 

[Dr Know]

what the fuck is happening in the club

I think that's already been established

NOTHING!!

 

[KingNick]

Can't believe some would worship Slot (me as well) but detest Ange due to CV, looks (lol?), And age.

He plays almost identically to slot and pep, talks only about playing attacking football, loves a challenge, and players and supporters love him. Even Celtic fans say he's above Rodgers.

I think he'd be a blessing in disguise and one we could get "lucky" on like Poch

You forgot nationality in your list. I definitely sense some snobbery against an Australian daring to be good enough to manage at the top level.

 

[piedpiper]

I just had a read back through the 2012 manager itk thread after redknapp left and it is so similar to this. Then it was Martinez and Moyes people were trying to convince themselves about, now it’s Moyes and Potter.

Nothing has changed. The search was a mess then. It’s a mess now. That’s over a decade ago and it’s the exactly the same. The similarities are uncanny.

LlLevy/ The Club has beaten me down... I'll even accept Potter now and that was UNTHINKABLE a month ago

 

[dirtyh]

Just fuck off levy. That’s all I’ve got left. Really so down on the club right now. With all the other shit in life it really is the pits when you can’t even fall back on your football team ffs

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

just dont get any excitement for ange, winning the league with Celtic is one easiest jobs in Europe, they were horrific in Europe this season and even worse last one

On a positive note, we won’t be in Europe so his performance there makes no difference.

 

[danielneeds]

Can't believe some would worship Slot (me as well) but detest Ange due to CV, looks (lol?), And age.

He plays almost identically to slot and pep, talks only about playing attacking football, loves a challenge, and players and supporters love him. Even Celtic fans say he's above Rodgers.

I think he'd be a blessing in disguise and one we could get "lucky" on like Poch

Would he have been my choice? No. But we’re in the position we’re in.

There is something to admire in how he’s had to work his arse off to get from Australia to European football, and maybe the PL. He’s looked to improve, he obviously got some access to Pep’s methods whilst working for a City Group club, because he changed his style and adapted.

Again, we are where we are. It’s shit and a guy like Ange would be a hail Mary of sorts. At least his football could be fun.

 

[only1waddle]

If we are indeed going down the Brighton/Brentford route of fitting a manager to the recruitment model, rather than a manager dictating the recruitment model, we've just found out how tricky it is to establish, and that it won't be an attractive proposition for a number of coaches, along with the other unattractive shit going on.

 

[Silky Skills]

Look if you don’t know
about Ange that’s fine, just admit it. But coming out with “it’s Nuno all over again” or “my mum could win the title with Celtic” is just ignorance really.

He’s incredibly well respected in the game and is universally seen in Scotland as miles ahead tactically of any manager the league has seen in a long time.


He plays fantastic football, and his tactical style is absolutely cutting edge. He uses double floating 8s/Mezzalas like Pep, but prefers to switch up and use wider fullbacks as well as inversion to try and get his team up the pitch faster. His pressing style is relentless and he’s doing this all with a Celtic team that talent wise is a step below a lot of the Rodgers/Lennon treble-treble era.

On top of that, he actually has charisma and gets huge buy ins from players and fans. Celtic fans were furious when he was first linked with him, now they all talk about him like the Messiah.

Fully believe he’s only not higher up our list because of age. But he’s only 57 ffs. He could easily manage 5 years and still be a fine age for a manager. He’s not Roy Hodgson haha.

He can also bring a few of the Japanese players in in order to replace Son and keep the cash flowing in from Asia

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Club using social media and their PR to test the waters with managers names. Vote against it. They are deliberately gauging fans reactions.,

I think this is a new low. Just when I was used to just feeling numb, I now I feel angry again.

Clown shoes amateurs with their snouts in the money trough of our once great club. Corporate leeches. Final proof Levy and his yes man/yes woman cronies have absolutely no idea what they are doing

and in regard to Hercs post before that.
Why does Levy think he is entitled to an opinion? Why does he think he can disagree with some of the world's top DoFs and managers? On what basis?
It's like a chief exec - with no science qualifications - interviewing for a new chief science officer and refusing to appoint any because he doesn't agree with their science

 

[Karol]

what the fuck is happening in the club

Death by a thousand cuts