Next Manager Watch

[Impspur1]

My worry with appointing Postecoglou as manager under the existing structure (or a DOF in name only) is that it'll paint a facade of unity around the club and kick the can down the road in terms of getting DL out. Let's be honest, the best we'll ever do under Ange would be a CL spot until we hit the Levy ceiling.

Whereas, if Nagelsmann gets it we can be fairly sure he's had some sort of guarantees about control.

I almost want Levy to make a horrendous appointment now that will be a real tipping point for fan anger. Someone like Mason who might leave us in the bottom 3 after 10 or so games. I don't see a world in which Ange fails miserably, so it's perfect for Levy to try to calm the fans down and forget about past mistakes until he inevitably can't work under Levy's dogma anymore.

The guy worked under Munn for the City group so I’m sure he will be well versed in how he works

 

[Impspur1]

How are people reacting to it?

George Bannister has basically laughed it off and said not true

 

[piedpiper]

Why are people so against Brendan Rodgers? He’s done well at every club he’s been to. Took Liverpool within a slip of Premier League title with a unfancied side, and won an FA Cup with a mid-table team.

his teams do fade and I don’t think he’d last more than 3/4 years, but we go through a manager every year so that represents a success.

we shouldn’t just want the latest shiny new manager. Failing is part of the business. Hiring a manager who’s recently had a bad time doesn’t mean they will be a bad manager. Look at Howe.

I honestly don't want a manager whose teams compete until January at best.

 

[midoshairband]

My worry with appointing Postecoglou as manager under the existing structure (or a DOF in name only) is that it'll paint a facade of unity around the club and kick the can down the road in terms of getting DL out. Let's be honest, the best we'll ever do under Ange would be a CL spot until we hit the Levy ceiling.

Whereas, if Nagelsmann gets it we can be fairly sure he's had some sort of guarantees about control.

I almost want Levy to make a horrendous appointment now that will be a real tipping point for fan anger. Someone like Mason who might leave us in the bottom 3 after 10 or so games. I don't see a world in which Ange fails miserably, so it's perfect for Levy to try to calm the fans down and forget about past mistakes until he inevitably can't work under Levy's dogma anymore in a couple of years time.

we heard similar with Conte though.

'lessons learnt' 'don't appoint Conte and then not give him what he wants' and other such clap trap.

utlimately, the little control freak Levy cannot let go. until he goes, nothing changes.

 

[Impspur1]

I honestly don't want a manager whose teams compete until January at best.

It would be an improvement to complete until January

 

[N17NBL]

Club using social media and their PR to test the waters with managers names. Vote against it. They are deliberately gauging fans reactions.,

If this is true then they have come on here and in this thread so I will just say this:
Stop pissing around like headless chickens and turn us back into a goddamn football club

 

[Nerine]

Is there any way we could write a correspondence and possibly get several hundred of us to absolutely litter the THFC inbox with it?

Perhaps an inbox full of messages from raging fans might help the penny drop, because if they do monitor forums and the such like, they'd have to have the stomach to read some of the stuff in here, and I'm not sure they'd fancy that.

 

[WiganSpur]

we heard similar with Conte though.

'lessons learnt' 'don't appoint Conte and then not give him what he wants' and other such clap trap.

utlimately, the little control freak Levy cannot let go. until he goes, nothing changes.

I think Nagelsmann was wanting written assurances as far as i'm aware, which would differentiate from Conte no? In which case i'm assuming there's some way he could then resign whilst not losing out on compensation.

 

[Albertbarich]

Let's be honest, the fans wanted Gerrard in 2021 who also "worked wonders" at Celtic and then tanked at Villa. The fans wanted Potter who got his shot at the big time and blew it like a 2 bit whore, albeit in a clusterfuck almost as big as Spurs. Fans also turned their noses up at Howe who has been nothing short of excellent. Fans are clueless.

I would guess the club using socials to gauge the reaction is to avoid another Nuno scenario where the poor guy was on a hiding to nothing from day 1. No matter who it is, the fans need to be able to take to them enough to at least give the a chance and get behind them.

For that reason alone, Rodgers would be a disaster unless he hit the ground running, and I sense that Ange might be similar. A Nagelsmann or Slot would get given a real chance by fans and hopefully not be booed off the pitch the first game they get bossed in.

The board have really done themselves no favours at all. The odd mistake is human, 3 in a month (not even picking up the phone to Poch and letting him go to the enemy, the PR gaff with Nagelsmann, and now the failure to get Slot) is tantamount to gross negligence.

We'll be back here in 12-24 months because the club doesnt know what it wants to be. They are seemingly incapable of deciding on a vision and fully committing to it. I'm just so tired of lurching from one extreme to the other.

/rant

There is a massive underlying thing that is the reason for Gerrards decline and he is currently manager of Rangers.

I'm fully in the Nagelsmann or busy camp as it's mental anyone else is even being considered whilst he is out of work but Gerrard shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for Postecoglu.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Ange was never my top choice or even in my top 5, but I really think the club should be looking at profile more than pedigree. If they want a coach who will bring back high energy, positive, aggressive, attacking football, then he checks all those boxes. Who knows if the transition will work, but I think I’d prefer the base philosophy to be a certainty than pedigree at this point. He also is a great character and despite being older, is still upcoming in the sense he’s rising up the ranks in football management.

With the sad reality the new guy will probably have strict parameters to work under, I’m also not sure someone with prestige would work. Jose and Conte were give false promises. It seems Nagelsmann and Slot both realized the lack of control they would have and the differing vision from the club pushed them away. I’m not buying any other reason they weren’t hired. I’d worry for Ange or any other “underwhelming” candidate because they’d immediately be under pressure to perform due to fan base toxicity and would really have to earn support, even though that shouldn’t be a case. If given a chance, I do think Ange could be successful. A big risk, bigger than Slot, but again, the play style fits what the club supposedly wants and to me, we kind of just have to throw experience out the window at this point. A bonus, but not a necessity and not priority.

This is different than Mason though because we don’t even know what Mason’s style is and giving him the job is not even a risk, for me it would be suicide. He needs to build a philosophy elsewhere. Any success with him would be pure luck.

Tbh I’m not sure why we aren’t looking at Ligue 1. Igor Tudor, Franck Haise, Fonseca. Would happily have any of those 3.

I would take Franck Haise in a heart beat, but he’s contracted for another 4 years.

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Ange was never my top choice or even in my top 5, but I really think the club should be looking at profile more than pedigree. If they want a coach who will bring back high energy, positive, aggressive, attacking football, then he checks all those boxes. Who knows if the transition will work, but I think I’d prefer the base philosophy to be a certainty than pedigree at this point. He also is a great character and despite being older, is still upcoming in the sense he’s rising up the ranks in football management.

With the sad reality the new guy will probably have strict parameters to work under, I’m also not sure someone with prestige would work. Jose and Conte were give false promises. It seems Nagelsmann and Slot both realized the lack of control they would have and the differing vision from the club pushed them away. I’m not buying any other reason they weren’t hired. I’d worry for Ange or any other “underwhelming” candidate because they’d immediately be under pressure to perform due to fan base toxicity and would really have to earn support, even though that shouldn’t be a case. If given a chance, I do think Ange could be successful. A big risk, bigger than Slot, but again, the play style fits what the club supposedly wants and to me, we kind of just have to throw experience out the window at this point. A bonus, but not a necessity and not priority.

This is different than Mason though because we don’t even know what Mason’s style is and giving him the job is not even a risk, for me it would be suicide. He needs to build a philosophy elsewhere. Any success with him would be pure luck.

Tbh I’m not sure why we aren’t looking at Ligue 1. Igor Tudor, Franck Haise, Fonseca. Would happily have any of those 3.

This is it now. We can’t get someone with both now Nags and Slot are gone, so this has to be the only choice. Get the man who plays the right football and has the tactical acumen and hope they can make the jump to pedigree.

 

[kd2000]

Our fans: let's not get Ange, the SPL is like winning the championship.
Also our fans: we should sign Kompany

 

[Westmorlandspur]

If it carries on like this Ryan Mason will get the job. One year contract, see how it goes
not much different to Sherwood really.

 

[KingNick]

George Bannister has basically laughed it off and said not true

Proves how little he knows about how football clubs (and most big consumer facing businesses) work then.
I’m not saying social media reaction will massively impact thinking but to say clubs don’t monitor it - if only to forewarn themselves as to what to expect down the line, is plain wrong.

 

[poc]

Look if you don’t know
about Ange that’s fine, just admit it. But coming out with “it’s Nuno all over again” or “my mum could win the title with Celtic” is just ignorance really.

He’s incredibly well respected in the game and is universally seen in Scotland as miles ahead tactically of any manager the league has seen in a long time.


He plays fantastic football, and his tactical style is absolutely cutting edge. He uses double floating 8s/Mezzalas like Pep, but prefers to switch up and use wider fullbacks as well as inversion to try and get his team up the pitch faster. His pressing style is relentless and he’s doing this all with a Celtic team that talent wise is a step below a lot of the Rodgers/Lennon treble-treble era.

On top of that, he actually has charisma and gets huge buy ins from players and fans. Celtic fans were furious when he was first linked with him, now they all talk about him like the Messiah.

Fully believe he’s only not higher up our list because of age. But he’s only 57 ffs. He could easily manage 5 years and still be a fine age for a manager. He’s not Roy Hodgson haha.

He had the same pushback when announced for Celtic its just a superiority ego type complex, I am not saying he will be the messiah but it isnt a black and white thing as we have seen with Conte and Mourinho. I think we need a good communicator and motivator from what I have read Ange is that.

 

[srups34]

George Bannister has basically laughed it off and said not true

He would know

 

[snakehipsspurs]

There is a massive underlying thing that is the reason for Gerrards decline and he is currently manager of Rangers.

I'm fully in the Nagelsmann or busy camp as it's mental anyone else is even being considered whilst he is out of work but Gerrard shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for Postecoglu.

Yep Mick Beale has clearly shown he was the mastermind for Gerrard. He had QPR in the promotion places, then when he left they plummeted and survived relegation with only a week to go.

And rangers already in 4 months look a much stronger side. He’ll be in a good prem job in 18 months imo.

Ange on the other hand is the mastermind behind this Celtic team. Rodgers is a better comparison, but Brendan had a stronger squad I’d argue. Also, Brendan tactically is a good manager, that’s not the problem. It’s his transfers and personality that makes him flame out at clubs.

 

[cjbyid]

Next season is proper going to be proper rough.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

 

[southlondonyiddo]

If it carries on like this Ryan Mason will get the job. One year contract, see how it goes
not much different to Sherwood really.

Sherwood was a ‘proper’ manager. Huge experience- captained a Premier League winning team as well. So a huge difference between him & Mason

I don’t want to keep slagging Mason off because it’s not his fault but please, the notion he should ever be given the job permanently is nonsense