New Stadium Discussion Thread.

[chrissivad]

It wouldn't hurt to biuld a 60k stadium and only open the top tier when required. We could keep 1/3 of the seats closed most of the time until the bigger games.

im sure we can sell most of the tickets to most games. Not like Chelsea who will only turn up when they feel like it.

 

[adiepf]

anyone who even has the slightest question in their mind wether we could fill a 60,000 stadium is plain mad imo

we will fill that stadium for every home league game, i have no doubt

i asked one of the staff at the ticket office how long i would have to wait for a season ticket if i was added to the list now, she told me that because i am 30, if we stayed at 36,000 i would NEVER get one in my lifetime!! mg:

do the research people, tickets woould be dropped in some seats to £25 & 20,000 people would take up season tickets strait away!!

 

[General Levy]

With the correct marketing, ticket pricing etc... we will EASILY fill 60,000 most EPL games. We will not have 40k on the waiting list like them down the road, but again, we will be able to fill the stadium EASILY

EASILY.

 

[chrissivad]

do the research people, tickets woould be dropped in some seats to £25 & 20,000 people would take up season tickets strait away!!

cant see it for our board, more likly that they will go up. To cover the cost of the new stadium.

 

[bugsdad]

Big question is will the oh so helpfull council give planning permission?They no doubt will say show us where the extraare going to park bearing in mind the draconian resrtictions this miney grabbin council have recently put into place. This council wants us out as they want to build houses and flats on the site,so they will put every obstacle possible into our path....Mark my words.

 

[N10toN17]

It needs to be 60k minimum, anything less shows we're not serious about competing with the big clubs. The stadium should be designed with the supporters first and foremost considered, not the corporate types. I want it to look like a decent football stadium, with the opportunity to create a great atmosphere. I'll be disappointed if it's just another very boring bowl type stadium.

Does anyone know if the club are considering taking some opinions from supporters on how this is going to pan out?

Maybe THST ?

 

[General Levy]

Big question is will the oh so helpfull council give planning permission?They no doubt will say show us where the extraare going to park bearing in mind the draconian resrtictions this miney grabbin council have recently put into place. This council wants us out as they want to build houses and flats on the site,so they will put every obstacle possible into our path....Mark my words.

I read that the council gave panning permission when Sugar was in charge

 

[thfcsuperyid]

we'll get planning permission...wouldnt worry about that.

 

[SpurSince57]

There will be blood on the carpet, quite possibly literally, if the council denies planning permission. A lot of the businesses along the High Road, specifically the pubs and fast food outlets, couldn't survive without Spurs. And the fault isn't entirely with the council, wankers though they are; under Sugar, the club didn't do too much to endear itself to the local community.

I'm afraid the tube link isn't going to happen; economically, it's a no-no. The best we can hope for is improved Sunday services to Bruce Grove/WHL/Northumberland Park—or in the case of the last, any Sunday service.

 

[General Levy]

I'm afraid the tube link isn't going to happen; economically, it's a no-no. The best we can hope for is improved Sunday services to Bruce Grove/WHL/Northumberland Park—or in the case of the last, any Sunday service.

I read that the tube link would cost £50million. Anyone think that this is a correct estimate?

 

[Chris12345]

To build... then there's the problem that no one would use it on non matchdays...

 

[chrissivad]

wasn't there some rumours that the area was going to be re-developed? Might mean the underground would be used more on non-match days, depending on what they do in the area.

 

[SpurSince57]

I downloaded the report to the Mayor's office (unfortunately this seems no longer to be available) and this put the cost as high as £76m. Since it's going to cost £60m to upgrade Holloway Road station to be fully operable on matchdays, that's not as excessive as it might sound. There were various objections on operating grounds, not least the knock-on effect it would have on the rest of the Victoria Line, and there is of course the problem that it would hardly be used the rest of the time. Even in the rush-hour, the overground station is very quiet compared to the ones on the Enfield line; a Victoria Line extension would make no economic sense.

 

[michaelden]

I'm not stadium designer but the angles of the
seating look wrong. They are meant to follow a parabolic curve. The
ground tier is between 28 and 35 degs. The second between 33 and 38 and
the third tier between 37 and 42 degs.

(Angles are all guesses)


I can't see anything like that on the drawings. If you look at
Twickenham you'll see how the upper tiers are much steeper than the
ground level seating. Who is the architect? A gooner?

 

[chrissivad]

the top tears are steeper, look at the second set of images. it shows a cross section. Even the fist images shows the diffrent angles of the tears, just not the angles.

 

[worcestersauce]

I like the squared shape rather than the bowl, 60k+ is essential anything less sends the wrong signal completly.
"If you build it they will come"
It still looks like Paxton Road is going to be covered to me scaling the East west cross section from North to South it must do surely.
One thing about the tube, if you build it peple will use it, people always use the tube rather than the train because it takes you further into town.

 

[DogsOfWar]

A couple of thoughts on the stadium size.

Firstly, we get 36000 and we have 20000 on the waiting list. But I would guess a reasonable percentage of those would get tickets to our games anyway so it wouldn't guarantee a 56000 turn out.

Secondly, a lot of our supporters hang onto their season tickets because they know they won't be able to get another one. If we have no waiting list then supporters can have a year or two off, dependant on circumstances, knowing they will get another one afterwards.
They also know they can get tickets whenever they want so may not even bother with a season ticket.
New season ticket holders may also realise, after a season, the expense and commintment needed in having one and return to getting tickets whenever convenient instead.

The reality of demand and supply is that if we create too much supply then demand may actually drop as supporters can be far more choosy.
Arsenal had been at the top of domestic and European football for well over a decade when they moved in, we have not so going for a 60000+ is fine because they can fill it up.

We are still not in that position so I'd rather see a full 50000-55000 which could be increased rather than 60000 with 10000 empty seats.

 

[SpurSince57]

Not if the station's out of the way, which Northumberland Park is for most people in Tottenham. That line was never built with passengers in mind; it was intended to bring goods down from the North. The passenger stations came as an afterthought and in the 1840s were in the middle of nowhere. All those stylish but dilapidated villas down Northumberland Park were built in an attempt to cash in on the railway but it never worked.

TfL will just point out that the existing overground service is perfectly adequate for the two men and the dog that want to get to Tottenham Hale and the Victoria Line in the daytime. The majority of people will take a bus down the High Road to Seven Sisters.

 

[sloth]

A couple of thoughts on the stadium size.

Firstly, we get 36000 and we have 20000 on the waiting list. But I would guess a reasonable percentage of those would get tickets to our games anyway so it wouldn't guarantee a 56000 turn out.

Secondly, a lot of our supporters hang onto their season tickets because they know they won't be able to get another one. If we have no waiting list then supporters can have a year or two off, dependant on circumstances, knowing they will get another one afterwards.
They also know they can get tickets whenever they want so may not even bother with a season ticket.
New season ticket holders may also realise, after a season, the expense and commintment needed in having one and return to getting tickets whenever convenient instead.

The reality of demand and supply is that if we create too much supply then demand may actually drop as supporters can be far more choosy.
Arsenal had been at the top of domestic and European football for well over a decade when they moved in, we have not so going for a 60000+ is fine because they can fill it up.

We are still not in that position so I'd rather see a full 50000-55000 which could be increased rather than 60000 with 10000 empty seats.

Finally some sense, lol. This we can say for sure, whatever the eventual capacity it will have been calculated to a set of carefully set parameters. If it's 50,000 it will be because that's the capacity we can support, if 60,000 then the same. Personally I'm expecting 50,000.

 

[Kendall]

looks like that, just bigger