Memphis Depay

[LexingtonSpurs]

The positioning of the wall was at fault, but that player was also a waste of space.

Regardless of where the goalkeeper is, the wall should be attempting to block the most likely path to the goal. They don't block the left for the sake of it.

I very much doubt you'd find a PL team set up like that at all. It's just a case of smashing it to the keeper's left, and nothing like the technicality required in Eriksen's FKs.

Not really mate. The purpose of the wall is to divide and conquer - the wall has responsibility for half the goal, the keeper has responsibility for the other half. In this case the wall was blocking the near post, and the keeper has responsibility for the far post.

In most cases, that is how the wall is set up - wall guards near post, keeper has far post.

 

[225]

Not really mate. The purpose of the wall is to divide and conquer - the wall has responsibility for half the goal, the keeper has responsibility for the other half. In this case the wall was blocking the near post, and the keeper has responsibility for the far post.

In most cases, that is how the wall is set up - wall guards near post, keeper has far post.

Yes, the divide the job up, but in this case it's too far to the left - the wall should be more 'central' to the position of the ball unless it's at an angle to the goal - it's even worse when you consider that there's no way it would bend that far left over that angle.

Any PL team (or infact, good team in Europe) would be positioned far more centrally to the ball, as is the most effective method. If you look at their positioning (considering the position of the ball, too), their furthermost right man in the wall is still well to the left of the ball.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Yes, the divide the job up, but in this case it's too far to the left - the wall should be more 'central' to the position of the ball unless it's at an angle to the goal - it's even worse when you consider that there's no way it would bend that far left over that angle.

Any PL team (or infact, good team in Europe) would be positioned far more centrally to the ball, as is the most effective method. If you look at their positioning (considering the position of the ball, too), their furthermost right man in the wall is still well to the left of the ball.

It looked like they had two players over the ball - Depay and a lefty - who would have taken the shot had the wall been positioned more centrally, and bent the ball into the near post, where the keeper would have had even less chance.

It was just a well-struck ball, that bent in to hit the right inside netting - no wall - in any league - is going to cover that shot (if it did, it would have left the near post exposed).

 

[225]

It looked like they had two players over the ball - Depay and a lefty - who would have taken the shot had the wall been positioned more centrally, and bent the ball into the near post, where the keeper would have had even less chance.

It was just a well-struck ball, that bent in to hit the right inside netting - no wall - in any league - is going to cover that shot (if it did, it would have left the near post exposed).

There's a guy who could have covered it, but weirdly stuck his leg out.

Point being, that it's a free kick that looks more impressive than it's made out to be when compared to the standard of this league

 

[Davo99]

The positioning of the wall was at fault, but that player was also a waste of space.

Regardless of where the goalkeeper is, the wall should be attempting to block the most likely path to the goal. They don't block the left for the sake of it.

I very much doubt you'd find a PL team set up like that at all. It's just a case of smashing it to the keeper's left, and nothing like the technicality required in Eriksen's FKs.

That's how every team sets up - the wall covers one side of the goal and the keeper covers the other side. What other way is there? The goalkeeper is responsible for setting up the wall the way he wants it, too. The wall isn't near the shot as he targets the keepers' side - where he gets beaten. The goalkeeper is at fault for that goal - not the wall.

 

[DanielCHillier]

Could've sworn this was the Memphis Depay thread, and not one on how to properly set a wall when defending against a free kick ?

 

[TheAmerican]

The clue is in the name. The "wall" rather than the fence.

They are positioned left of centre, allowing a free shot at the right side of the goal. Even worse, they have let PSV take up the two positions nearest there.

Depay's positioning means that he can't physically take a straight shot to the left of the goal, only allowing a curled-from-right shot to reach there. It makes no sense to position the wall practically out of the way.


Actually, scratch that, even worse than that, the kick goes straight towards one of their players. Instead of jumping to block the kick, he tries some sort of kung-fu kick that would have undoubtedly gone worst even if he did get a touch.

The view from behind the goal shows that the first guy (from the left) of the wall had absolutely no function whatsoever in that wall, especially taking into account Depay's angle.

Stop trying to pull credit away from him just because he isn't coming here. He is a phenomenal player, and that was a great free kick.

 

[225]

Could've sworn this was the Memphis Depay thread, and not one on how to properly set a wall when defending against a free kick ?

Just like any thread, it's a case of:

"Oh, I've noticed you have an opinion? Let me neg rep it and quote you until you change your opinion to mine"

 

[225]

That's how every team sets up - the wall covers one side of the goal and the keeper covers the other side. What other way is there? The goalkeeper is responsible for setting up the wall the way he wants it, too. The wall isn't near the shot as he targets the keepers' side - where he gets beaten. The goalkeeper is at fault for that goal - not the wall.

The wall should have been central to the ball, not off to one side. It doesn't matter if Angela Lansbury was responsible for the wall, it was still poorly constructed. The second point was that the other player reacted so poorly to it that it highlighted how badly it was dealt with.

I'd suggest studying how good teams set up a wall in those positions, as I very much doubt you'd see a PL team leave it so open.


As per the above, my opinion differs to yours - doesn't mean you have to neg rep it and sneer at it without actually adding any evidence to it?

 

[Davo99]

The wall should have been central to the ball, not off to one side. It doesn't matter if Angela Lansbury was responsible for the wall, it was still poorly constructed. The second point was that the other player reacted so poorly to it that it highlighted how badly it was dealt with.

I'd suggest studying how good teams set up a wall in those positions, as I very much doubt you'd see a PL team leave it so open.


As per the above, my opinion differs to yours - doesn't mean you have to neg rep it and sneer at it without actually adding any evidence to it?

You're being ridiculous mate. If the wall let the ball go through them or they can do something about it going in and don't - then fair enough, they're at fault. But the goalkeeper would have set them up like that and Depay has punished him and beaten him on the keepers' side. The ball is nowhere near the wall as it passes it, and the goalkeeper would have been responsible for where they are standing, so again, they are not at fault whatsoever - the goalkeeper is.

I've also stopped neg-repping you because your argument has become so ridiculous I've had to start rating your replies as funny instead. I believe that's a positive rep isn't it?

Why are you even attempting this?

 

[spacessships]

smh is there really so little to talk about that we've digressed to debating the purpose of a free kick wall via a goal by a player we don't have a shot in hell of getting

 

[Dharmabum]

Forget Depay; he'a lost cause for Spurs now.

http://sabotagetimes.com/football/p...m-manchester-united-and-psg-for-memphis-depay

Dutch outlet Voetbal International (in Dutch) have reported that PSV Eindhoven are in peliminary discussions with Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain regarding the transfer of Memphis Depay. Both clubs are extremely interested in the Dutch sensation and are looking to seal a deal early.

PSV's general manager, Gerbrands, has admitted that "[PSV] have had a telephone call from [Manchester United] about him" and that they are "talking about higher amounts when it comes to Memphis". This indicates a bidding war between the two European heavyweights may be underway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...striker-will-cost-more-than-15m-10187929.html

Tottenham reportedly made a bid of around £15m in a previous transfer window which was rejected. According to Brand it will take more than that to convince the Dutch side to let Depay leave.

"It will be much higher than the offer from Tottenham Hotspur," Brands added. "He will be very expensive.

 

[JonnySpurs]

In fairness to the club, we clearly tried to buy Depay as early as we could after establishing that he had what it takes to succeed at the top level. Bidding last summer was a smart move. Sometimes you can get those deals done early (Modric as a good example) and sometimes you can't.

Depay clearly knew that LvG would take him to Man Utd in a year's time and has held out for that. It's frustrating but that's where he'll end up. Kept PSV sweet by helping them win the league just before he goes.

We need to move on and find a similar style of player that is less well established and frankly less expensive. I suppose a player like Ntep or Boetius or someone along those lines.

If not then I suppose try and work a deal for Mirallas with Lennon going the other way. KM is unhappy at Everton (based on his celebration at wknd) and Lennon aint happy at Spurs. Lennon wants to be back up north and KM would no doubt love to join his belgian teammates and be in London. Makes a butt load of sense all round.

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...striker-will-cost-more-than-15m-10187929.html

Tottenham reportedly made a bid of around £15m in a previous transfer window which was rejected. According to Brand it will take more than that to convince the Dutch side to let Depay leave.

"It will be much higher than the offer from Tottenham Hotspur," Brands added. "He will be very expensive.

Was going to post the same quote.

Glad to hear we bid for him last summer - shame we didn't get him rather than one of the ones we did buy (except Erikssen .of course)

But it does look like he's going to go for a big fee this summer - and to one of the big clubs who will offer him CL etc, unless we can persuade him that he needs to step from PSV to an 'intermediate' club like Spurs before going to a big club where he might not be an automatic startebut that's very unlikely.

Probably time to find an alternative player who we think we can develop to be as good as Depay - but it might take a season or two

 

[crokey]

What are they going to do with Januzaj?

 

[JonnySpurs]

What are they going to do with Januzaj?

Good point, there's a good young player there. We should defo think about making a move for him.

 

[yankspurs]

Good point, there's a good young player there. We should defo think about making a move for him.

Does Van Gaal play him at all? Seems like we rarely ever see him anymore.

 

[ButchCassidy]

What are they going to do with Januzaj?

Heard he's being recruited for the Olympic diving team

 

[spursfan77]

Good point, there's a good young player there. We should defo think about making a move for him.

Not for me. I've always thought he's massively over rated. Man U probably didn't help him by giving him a £60k a week contract 5 minutes after he'd made his debut. All a bit too much too soon.

Re depay. Looks like everyone wins but us. Man U get the player and PSV probably get a transfer fee double the amount we offered. Plus depay probably gets a fat contract at Man U.

 

[spurs9]

Does Van Gaal play him at all? Seems like we rarely ever see him anymore.

Had about 7 starts and another 10 off the bench. I actually think they will keep him and sell Young, givining them Depay, Di Maria, Mata and Januzaj as competition for the wide positions. He should get more game time with them being in Europe next year too.