"Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation"

[Tucker]

Oh I’m not naive enough to think they won’t see the pound signs, but I wonder if they’d consider, and be bothered by, the death of the English game?

From their point of view they’d just see this as strengthening them and strengthening the EFL clubs. It’s only the lower prem teams that are getting shafted.

I don’t agree with concentrating the power in the hands of six clubs, but playing Devil’s advocate I can see why the big six and the EFL want to do this.

 

[DiscoD1882]

10 years ago. There wasn’t a big 6. We would have been out of the picture and discussing what we would be. Like West Ham are now. This is a total power grab. We have grown. But even if we are a power team now. Will we ever win the league. Or the new shaped league? So what does it end up coming down to? People making money.

 

[Saoirse]

We're owned by a billionaire tax exile who made his fortune shorting sterling on Black Wednesday. We compete against an oil billionaire who made his fortune destroying the environment who wants protection from Putin, and a family of oil billionaires who made their fortunes destroying the environment who want to legitimise a fascist state. Fans are treated like cattle and policed like toddlers but charged as though they're rich. The players earn more in a week than many of the people funding them will earn in their lifetimes.

To be totally honest, I don't really understand how these structural reforms could be anybody's final straw. The traditional game at the top level died long, long ago and lives on in the grassroots. I'd almost rather keep it there, and let the professional game become the fully realised version of what we all know it really is rather than pretend the legacy of the mid-20th century is still going strong.

 

[Saoirse]

Stay in the EFL and never qualify for CL?

That’ll show ‘em eh?

If it's a credible threat, it still has a big impact. For the remaining 14 PL teams, 4 might make the CL which would make up for the lack of the Big 6 - they still wouldn't be likely to be better off. The other 10 would be massively worse off, given their wage structures possibly facing bankruptcy - Sky are just not gonna pay much for a league where the glamour tie of the season is Everton vs Leicester. The only rational thing for them to do at that point is to re-join the EFL with the Big 6, so they better be very certain it's a bluff before they call it as one.

 

[Lilbaz]

If it's a credible threat, it still has a big impact. For the remaining 14 PL teams, 4 might make the CL which would make up for the lack of the Big 6 - they still wouldn't be likely to be better off. The other 10 would be massively worse off, given their wage structures possibly facing bankruptcy - Sky are just not gonna pay much for a league where the glamour tie of the season is Everton vs Leicester. The only rational thing for them to do at that point is to re-join the EFL with the Big 6, so they better be very certain it's a bluff before they call it as one.

The cl is changing. Qualification will be through the europa league. So it may start with 4/5 teams from the prem. But that could increase over time. The smaller european teams get shafted.

Exclusive: FA fears over new Champions League plans and end of 'top four' race

Proposed changes in 2024 would see ring-fenced competition with new entries restricted to domestic title winners and Europa League last four

inews.co.uk

 

[Saoirse]

The cl is changing. Qualification will be through the europa league. So it may start with 4/5 teams from the prem. But that could increase over time. The smaller european teams get shafted.

Exclusive: FA fears over new Champions League plans and end of 'top four' race

Proposed changes in 2024 would see ring-fenced competition with new entries restricted to domestic title winners and Europa League last four

inews.co.uk

Possibly, yes, which would make this plan even more likely to succeed since the FA would probably only be nominating teams to the Europa Conference League. But it's far from a done deal yet

 

[$hoguN]

No thanks, Liverpool and Utd can go fuck

 

[mill]

No thanks, Liverpool and Utd can go fuck

Each other

 

[hellava_tough]

25% of PL revenue to the EFL will mean that the Top 6 in this scenario, will run English football.

With their special voting rights, they can take back that 25% anytime they want. Clubs outside of the PL will be reliant on that money, so will do whatever the Top 6 tells them.

With this in mind, we may be seeing televised 3pm PL games for the first time.

 

[slartibartfast]

From their point of view they’d just see this as strengthening them and strengthening the EFL clubs. It’s only the lower prem teams that are getting shafted.

I don’t agree with concentrating the power in the hands of six clubs, but playing Devil’s advocate I can see why the big six and the EFL want to do this.

I think we can all see why the top 6 want to do it, because they're fkin greedy bastards and want to monopolise their power at the top.
This threatening to fk off and make a super euro league or whatever is bravado. Nobody wants it, fans wise imo, and it would be a massive massive risk for them.
I really would call their bluff and tell them to fuck off then.
If Spurs left with them for that shit I'd burn my shirts and be done with them. I'd cancel Sky and that would be it. I'm not interested in it at all.
Its typical businessmen, trying to fix something that isnt broken. Football is not a chain of shops, its a sport. While the EPL didn't exist until 1992 at its core its no different to the Division 1 before it. Top players compete to win a league with clubs battling ro stay there or face relegation. For fans its the same shit different label. Had Sky ploughed tv money into D1 it wouldn't have been much different to what it is now imo. Lets just change the Premier League to ' Super new shiny power league' and everyone will be happy. Sorry I'm ranting shite but these greedy fucks sicken me.

 

[TheRevolution]

Each other

That would be quite tough considering they're two cheeks of the same arse.

 

[Tucker]

That would be quite tough considering they're two cheeks of the same arse.

This has killed me.

 

[buckley]

Slartibartfast I am with you 100% if this goes thru it is the beginning of the end of football as we know it .
You have a league thats the envy of the football world bringing in vast amounts of money and still its not enough .
I have been a spurs fan since 1950 as a 7 year old and moved from Harringay to Fulham 30 years ago and I have always said as others have that your team is your team for life but if this goes thru as much as it pains me I will go and watch Fulham as its 10 minutes away from me .
At least I won't have to go thru that 2 or 3 hours before and after games trying to get to WHL and back.
Greedy bastards and as I have said before what these yanks want is to franchise their clubs well I hope they get their way with the franchise then Liverpool and Man Unt can F off to USA

 

[newbie]

Greedy Americans, who just want money!

 

[teok]

Not good.

Project Big Picture has ‘overwhelming support’ from EFL clubs with ‘no other palatable option' available

Championship clubs expressed ‘no dissenting voices’ with League One showing ‘complete support’ for Project Big Picture, while League Two clubs were excited by the plans which go to a Premier League vote

www.independent.co.uk

 

[buckley]

I keep hearing people on tv saying " football is nothing without fans " well here is a novel idea let the fans decide on this deal and have a vote the one proviso being that the endangered clubs are bailed out first . Its my belief that the clubs out of the premiership are having their real view clouded by the predicament they are in . Namely accept this deal or go out of business . I suspect without the cloud of bankruptcy they may have a different view of this deal and see it for what it is . A power grab by the top six and if the clubs that are not Liverpool and Man Unt they should wise up to the fact thats its for now a top sx power grab with the long term view of a two team cartel . .

 

[thebenjamin]

I keep hearing people on tv saying " football is nothing without fans " well here is a novel idea let the fans decide on this deal and have a vote the one proviso being that the endangered clubs are bailed out first . Its my belief that the clubs out of the premiership are having their real view clouded by the predicament they are in . Namely accept this deal or go out of business . I suspect without the cloud of bankruptcy they may have a different view of this deal and see it for what it is . A power grab by the top six and if the clubs that are not Liverpool and Man Unt they should wise up to the fact thats its for now a top sx power grab with the long term view of a two team cartel . .

they know it's a power grab but are going to cease to exist without it. the big clubs aren't just going to bail out the little ones from the goodness of their hearts. let's be real. The government will do nothing. So the current options are take this deal or cease to exist.

 

[Lilbaz]

they know it's a power grab but are going to cease to exist without it. the big clubs aren't just going to bail out the little ones from the goodness of their hearts. let's be real. The government will do nothing. So the current options are take this deal or cease to exist.

Also the majority hate the parachute payments.

 

[buckley]

thebenjamin I make you right but we must all keep letting them know of our distaste of this deal and our complete distrust of the American pair .I will keep saying the real aim of these two Americans in the end game is Franchising of clubs that is where the really big bucks lie and they will persist . All we can hope is that if they get their way both clubs will f...k off to USA .

 

[nailsy]

Not good.

Project Big Picture has ‘overwhelming support’ from EFL clubs with ‘no other palatable option' available

Championship clubs expressed ‘no dissenting voices’ with League One showing ‘complete support’ for Project Big Picture, while League Two clubs were excited by the plans which go to a Premier League vote

www.independent.co.uk

It's obvious that they're going to support it. Most league one and league two teams can only dream of getting to the Premier League so what happens there isn't that important to them. Their main concern at the moment is staying afloat for the next few weeks and months and this deal should ensure that happens. The real question is whether they'd still back this deal if there was an alternative proposal that ensured they stayed afloat.