Man City [Now Not] Banned From UCL For 2 years

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I may be wrong but will stand corrected if someone knows differently but I think that Eufa and the FA have to endorse any teams entering European competitions . if that is the case they may well be barred from entering European competitions until such times as the FA and EURO say " ok you can enter our club " so to speak . And so even if winning their case they may still not be allowed to play these competitions until the powers that be deem they are proper and fit . At least I hope this is the case the cheating B......s
Furthermore, all this talk of law. There is no law as such. UEFA is a private club, just like your local golf or social club, and can set its own rules and police them. As I understand it sporting authorities voluntarily agree to be bound by CAS. It's a voluntary disputes and appeals system. Sure City will hire lawyers to make arguments, but it's got nothing to do with UK law, or EU law. Just whether UEFA has fairly applied its own rules
 

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Furthermore, all this talk of law. There is no law as such. UEFA is a private club, just like your local golf or social club, and can set its own rules and police them. As I understand it sporting authorities voluntarily agree to be bound by CAS. It's a voluntary disputes and appeals system. Sure City will hire lawyers to make arguments, but it's got nothing to do with UK law, or EU law. Just whether UEFA has fairly applied its own rules
If they've falsified evidence is this not classed as fraud and therefore a criminal case? That makes sense in my head but the law might be completely different.
 

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I'm amazed that the ruse has carried on for so long without some authority stepping in. Nobody actually believed that their endorsement deals were all bonafide. That being said, good on great journalism, especially from Des Spiegel for uncovering this huge pile of bs.

So it becomes evidently clear that Man City have cheated for a number of years, and cheating is a form of fraud. After stewing this on a while I have moved on from amazement to anger. I'm pretty sure most football clubs (unless they are run the same way) will be feeling mightily angry as well).

All this talk of City and their money winning the day. I'm not so sure. On top of UEFA, they now have dozens of clubs that may go to war against them.

They have stolen a pretty big chunk of our piece of the pie over a number of years. If I'm Daniel Levy I'm talking to lawyers and potentially suing City for about 500 million. That's a rough estimate of our losses from missing out on Champions Leagues, our lowered placement in the table, lowered endorsement deals, lower TV revenue, losing out on Aguero, etc. How many millions did we lose to City just by having to share the TV revenue from the Champions League alone for example?

And that's just us. Pretty much every PL team will have somewhat similar stories. Not to mention those in the lower leagues. If I'm say Hull City and I got relegated by one place, aren't I in my right to sue City because they took one of the spots above me by cheating? That's got to be worth at least 100 million.

Then there are the Champions League 3rd place teams in the groups, and the knock-out losers, they may want to sue City as well. Not too mention League Cup and FA cup knock out losers, the list appears endless in my mind.
 

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I can’t see it being a realistic prospect for clubs to sue City. It’s a massive can of worms. It’s more likely that the premier league take action and they are punished that way.
 

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If they've falsified evidence is this not classed as fraud and therefore a criminal case? That makes sense in my head but the law might be completely different.
But technically they have not falsified any evidence.
Manchester City have received the funds they have stated in their submissions, it is just a question of the source of those funds, and whether these break related party transaction rules under FFP. They will argue they don't , UEFA say they do, but it is not a question of falsification.
There is no criminal case here, they have not understated their profits to the UK government to pay less tax, if anything they have massively overstated their profits, the only country they could be defrauding is UAE.
 

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What makes you say that?
a weekend where someone has taken their life after the media and internet went out to ruin their life. or the simple fact that some people on here know of someone taking their life
 

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If they've falsified evidence is this not classed as fraud and therefore a criminal case? That makes sense in my head but the law might be completely different.
No, primarily because they've not broken any national laws (that we know of).
 

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I can’t see it being a realistic prospect for clubs to sue City. It’s a massive can of worms. It’s more likely that the premier league take action and they are punished that way.
Maybe not realistic but would love west ham to try it with their no win no fee lawyers.
 

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a weekend where someone has taken their life after the media and internet went out to ruin their life. or the simple fact that some people on here know of someone taking their life
I’m going to make one response to this so the main discussion doesn’t get derailed.

Lighty, there are roughly six and a half thousand suicides a year in this country. That averages to one every 80 minutes.

What makes Caroline Flack’s suicide any different to theirs? Last time I checked, I didn’t see you commenting on the many suicides that have no doubt occurred so far this year or since you’ve been a member. Where’s your moral rectitude for those suicides?

And also did it occur to you that perhaps I wasn’t aware of Flack’s suicide, which I wasn’t when I posted the gif? And even if I were, I’m not going to censor myself on the off-chance that someone might be offended by it. It is not my responsibility to cater to the sensibilities of someone I have zero connection with.

And finally, most pertinently, I’ve made two attempts on my own life in the last five years, one of which had me forcibly taken to hospital to have my stomach pumped to purge the pills I had taken. Given that, perhaps you could check your sanctimony?

That’s the last I’m going to say on this matter, and short of an apology, DON’T engage me on the subject again. My apologies to everyone else for unburdening in the thread.
 

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Absolutely nothing as does not affect them
Actually, there’s quite a few ways it could interest them, especially if they have tried to manipulate the VAT regulations as part of their ruse........let alone potentially submitting fraudulent accounts with transfer pricing that’s not at arms length value.
 

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cutting things to basics the FA and EUFA and Fifa are private clubs and can make any rules that they see as reasonable if you want to join you sign up and agree to abide by their rules if you don't like the rules after joining the club then that's tough luck but you can choose not to belong to this club . What you can't do is break the club rules and not expect to be punished .
The arrogance of the City owners is astounding I believe this is because where they come from their rules are the only rules anyone breaking them is harshly dealt with . They can't get their head around that they can't buy their way out of every problem .
And yet their vast amounts of money may enable them to fight and win this argument if that happens you might as well not have a governing body just let the richest club Man City backed by a country decide all the rules . (madness )(and football would in my eyes not be worth the bother any more . I said on this site last year that city don't just want to be successful but they want to be all winning all powerful and not only in this country they have clubs in Australia and USA and clubs in other countries they seem to want to dominate world football to the extent that they are so rich and powerful no one can match them .The end of the football world is nigh .
 

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Furthermore, all this talk of law. There is no law as such. UEFA is a private club, just like your local golf or social club, and can set its own rules and police them. As I understand it sporting authorities voluntarily agree to be bound by CAS. It's a voluntary disputes and appeals system. Sure City will hire lawyers to make arguments, but it's got nothing to do with UK law, or EU law. Just whether UEFA has fairly applied its own rules
Agreed, "Our house our rules"
 

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I think the appeal will work in their favour, they will probably be reinstated to the champions league and slapped with a heftier fine, possibly a transfer ban for 18 months too.
Milan and Galatasary both got a one year ban from Europe for failing to meet ffp, and that wasn't with the lying. So I don't see why they should be reinstated.

Mind Milan were in serious trouble at the time. I think it is important to understand what FFP is for. It is not to prevent financial doping. Rather, it is to make sure that clubs do not go completely bust. This was an issue in the UK when it was introduced but it was a much much bigger issue in other leagues. Italy lost a lot of teams that FFP would have saved, early in the decade we lost Fiorentina and Parma. Both big clubs that were successfully reborn and promoted into Serie A. But we also risked losing Fiorentina, again, and the smaller names would be constantly in financial bother and it was a normal thing for clubs to just shut down.

The reality is that FFP has been a massive success. Most top league clubs in all divisions are now running at profits, which before was unheard of, less teams are in financial difficulty and so there are lots of positives. I think, however, FFP tends to be tolerant of the PSGs and the Man cities for two reasons:

1) They are not the target, and the money they bring is does exist and is unlikely to bankrupt them. So even if, say, you have a sponsorship that is way over valued this can be kinda ignored as not a big problem because the money exists and is not in the short term likely to result in serious financial issues.

2) They are probably considered beneficial for the Champions League brand.

The issue now is two fold. They have to act firmly as they have to set example. I don't think for a moment that UEFA didn't highly suspect that they were not being told the whole truth, but I think they didn't care. Again, not the priority of FFP. The leaks forced them to act and, ultimately, you will get at most a season taken off appeal. Once these things come out you have to act or the whole system breaks.

I also very much expect the PL response to be even lighter. Probably an acceptable but not highly damaging point deduction, which will take them out of the title but nothing more. Again, the PL will value Man City as part of the brand.
 
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The “experts” on MNF talking absolute bollocks on sky last night. Basically saying it’s fine to sports wash and plough as much money into a team as owners see fit. No surprise Neville who owns a lower league club who have benefitted from his (and others) wealth compared to competing teams was on man city’s side. Just goes to show how stupid footballers are, thankfully they don’t represent the majority of sensible football fans.
 
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