Lloyd Kelly

[wrd]

Because if we're operating under this model, you probably have a list of 10-15 players that you'd be willing to go for if one doesn't work out. Can't get the first choice? Cross it off and move to the next.

But you can't be certain to the level where you're saying that the method clearly doesn't work with Spurs fans that's the reason this player has been chosen. You don't know that with any evidence, it is entirely possible it is for other reasons, it's entirely possible his profile came up on the data but that we ignored others who were better fits because of other factors such as being cheap and such as him being home grown.

So I'm disagreeing with your premise that Spurs fans can't work with this model when there's clearly remnants of older approaches that cast reasonable doubt.

 

[kd2000]

I think people are over simplifying things with regards to saying he would be OK as a 4th choice, or player x would be a decent 3rd choice. Imo Kelly would be 1st choice back up to VDV and someone else 1st choice backup to Romero.
It doesn't necessarily mean our 3rd best CB (in our opinion) would play regardless of whether or RCB or LCB was replaced

 

[Huddlebone]

Fucking hell. How low have we fallen? Lose Kane, get our second choice as LCB and then the 35 choice CB... It started as a rebuild with VDV, Maddison and ended with a Levy Panic

 

[nedley]

The recruitment team also delivered Vicario, Van de Ven, and Maddison this window.

Great. Another 6/10 window.

 

[wspur]

Wolfsburg signed VdV from the Dutch second division, became one of the best CBs in the league in a couple of years and we paid 10x for him. Everyone wants to act like this until we act like this.

 

[SaKkA.kenchiku]

La-Loyd I’m in. if you have kids and you know , you know ….soz

 

[SandroClegane]

But you can't be certain to the level where you're saying that the method clearly doesn't work with Spurs fans that's the reason this player has been chosen. You don't know that with any evidence, it is entirely possible it is for other reasons, it's entirely possible his profile came up on the data but that we ignored others who were better fits because of other factors such as being cheap and such as him being home grown.

So I'm disagreeing with your premise that Spurs fans can't work with this model when there's clearly remnants of older approaches that cast reasonable doubt.

If we just wanted a cheap, homegrown CB we'd keep Tanganga. I highly doubt we're bringing someone in just to bring someone in when it's obvious we have 3 CBs that do not fit our system in any way, shape or form.

Who is a better fit that we're ignoring?

 

[Pedro]

Bournemouth are my hometown club so I watch a reasonable amount of their games when I can. I’ve always thought he’s a good player. Versatile, left footed, youngish and importantly homegrown. I wouldn’t be against this signing. Seen much more of this guy than Tosin, so can’t really say how they compare, would prefer him over Lenglet though.

 

[wrd]

If we just wanted a cheap, homegrown CB we'd keep Tanganga. I highly doubt we're bringing someone in just to bring someone in when it's obvious we have 3 CBs that do not fit our system in any way, shape or form.

He's left footed, so he fits a hole in the squad that we have. My point is that you said Spurs fans clearly can't work with a data driven approach when there's a myriad of reasons why it's not certain to be based solely on a data driven approach. I don't think what I'm saying is unreasonable and what you're saying doesn't have the evidence to back up such a strong position on our fans in relation to the data approach.

Personally I'd rather sign nobody than just fill a hole because I fear that we'll just be back struggling to shift players. I don't think you should buy backups, you should buy players who push others out or buy young prospects with high ceilings. I hope if we sign him it's because he fits style and data but it doesn't look likely given how late we've approached it, particularly when his contract would have been favourable to negotiate early. I'd rather struggle in the short term with less than we need than burden future seasons with players we can't shift.

 

[noiseboy55]

fucking Nelson and Saha again!

 

[SandroClegane]

He's left footed, so he fits a hole in the squad that we have. My point is that you said Spurs fans clearly can't work with a data driven approach when there's a myriad of reasons why it's not certain to be based solely on a data driven approach. I don't think what I'm saying is unreasonable and what you're saying doesn't have the evidence to back up such a strong position on our fans in relation to the data approach.

Personally I'd rather sign nobody than just fill a hole because I fear that we'll just be back struggling to shift players. I don't think you should buy backups, you should buy players who push others out or buy young prospects with high ceilings. I hope if we sign him it's because he fits style and data but it doesn't look likely given how late we've approached it, particularly when his contract would have been favourable to negotiate early. I'd rather struggle in the short term with less than we need than burden future seasons with players we can't shift.

Nothing is certain, ever.

But, based on it being a name pulled completely out of nowhere, I'd be shocked if it's not data driven, as I work for a club with the same approach. I've seen these systems in practice and I've seen the databases. The club will get a list of potential fits, then do additional scouting, background checks, etc, and present a dossier to the manager and sporting director for them to make their choices.

This doesn't seem like a player whose agent is offering him around as we'd have seen him linked with other clubs.

I'm on your side with not signing players for the sake of signing them, 100%. We might have tried to push Tosin to the brink, and this was our next up, but we never started negotiations because we thought we could land Tosin. Of course you can always start things earlier but maybe this was a deal that we worked the framework out behind the scenes and are now pushing to the forefront.

 

[wrd]

Nothing is certain, ever.

But, based on it being a name pulled completely out of nowhere, I'd be shocked if it's not data driven, as I work for a club with the same approach. I've seen these systems in practice and I've seen the databases. The club will get a list of potential fits, then do additional scouting, background checks, etc, and present a dossier to the manager and sporting director for them to make their choices.

This doesn't seem like a player whose agent is offering him around as we'd have seen him linked with other clubs.

I'm on your side with not signing players for the sake of signing them, 100%. We might have tried to push Tosin to the brink, and this was our next up, but we never started negotiations because we thought we could land Tosin. Of course you can always start things earlier but maybe this was a deal that we worked the framework out behind the scenes and are now pushing to the forefront.

Yeah I think we have the same opinion, I think I took you to task because I like the data driven approach but don't want this type of signing but still feel the data approach can work. I don't doubt that's how his name has arrived, even if it's not why he's the one chosen to pursue and don't want these signings that are just filling a hole. I can imagine the manager wants a player in that spot but I feel there should be a point of diminishing returns that may affect what we can do in the future.

 

[Flook]

I know the club are heading towards this data based approach. I’ve told this story before on here when he was linked in the past but hey let’s tell you it again.

11 years ago I was coaching this Lloyd Kelly lad athletics at secondary school in Bristol from 11-14 years of age. He was a little lad at the time but he was phenomenal at sprinting. I told his PE teacher at the time that I’ve never seen anyone so talented, he replied “Get in line, every coach that works with him says the same. He’s brilliant at every sport! But Bristol City Academy Coaches think he’s the next Rio Ferdinand”

Take of that what you will

 

[Fidget]

If we just wanted a cheap, homegrown CB we'd keep Tanganga. I highly doubt we're bringing someone in just to bring someone in when it's obvious we have 3 CBs that do not fit our system in any way, shape or form.

Who is a better fit that we're ignoring?

Why are we ignoring Who?

 

[Fidget]

Nothing is certain, ever.

But, based on it being a name pulled completely out of nowhere, I'd be shocked if it's not data driven, as I work for a club with the same approach. I've seen these systems in practice and I've seen the databases. The club will get a list of potential fits, then do additional scouting, background checks, etc, and present a dossier to the manager and sporting director for them to make their choices.

This doesn't seem like a player whose agent is offering him around as we'd have seen him linked with other clubs.

I'm on your side with not signing players for the sake of signing them, 100%. We might have tried to push Tosin to the brink, and this was our next up, but we never started negotiations because we thought we could land Tosin. Of course you can always start things earlier but maybe this was a deal that we worked the framework out behind the scenes and are now pushing to the forefront.

Unlikely!

 

[Cochise]

First thought: Are we really that desperate that we are trying to buy nobody's from Bournemouth?

Watch video.

So first off, what stands out is his ball carrying ability. In those clips he does a lot with just his first touch and body shape committing players before taking off. Secondly, he's a big and fast, much more of an athlete than some of our other options.

From that footage, where he's driving down that channel, I think he looks closer to what we have with Udogie. If anything, this might be a player to cover our arses at CB but also LB, putting Davies' spot more in doubt than anyone elses.

 

[RobjDerby]

I can’t believe this geezer even has his own thread.

we should be ashamed.

ffs , what have we become

 

[THOWIG]

He’s good. Very stylish on the ball and quick. Has a lot of potential.

 

[yid-down-under]

Knowing that Romero and vdv are our established first choice cbs it’s gonna be hard to add similar quality- a bit like trying to get adequate back up for kane

I’m ok with this if he’s happy to know he’s back up and willing to fight his way into our first 11

 

[Trent Crimm]

Knew this would happen once we "announced" we were going more to a data driven route. We'd identify a player that would be random and fit the profile we'd want. It would be someone completely out of left field that we've been most likely scouting, but haven't held enough of an interest for reporters/itk to know the name.

Because no one knows this player, and it's not a 'big name' player everyone wants, people go apeshit, and that player has to perform or it turns into a "not good enough"/"another deadwood signing"/"going to have to replace in a window".

Data-driven works if your fanbase can accept that route. Ours clearly cannot.