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kent brockman

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To be a back up at LCFC or Spurs you'd most likely choose Spurs right now mainly / especially if you get to work wit JM, personally i think agents/swansea might be playing a game here to maybe get us/levy to pay more cash or anything extra, however ITK have said money aint an issue with this one, else its probably media hearing LCFC have enquired which maybe true and the rest is poetic licence media love to add on , especially when it come to us

Sounds like Swans have looked into Southampton’s playbook.
 

BringBack_leGin

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What has put a spanner in the works somewhat is that Sanchez hasn't reached his full potential, we paid 42m for him to be Toby's/Jans long term replacement and to be that elite level centre back and unfortunately the plan hasn't worked.
Not sure Sanchez has much at all to do with it, he’sa good player and he’s still on an upward curve. I feel you’ve somewhat shoehorned in a criticism of him for the sake of it here.
 

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What has put a spanner in the works somewhat is that Sanchez hasn't reached his full potential, we paid 42m for him to be Toby's/Jans long term replacement and to be that elite level centre back and unfortunately the plan hasn't worked.
Sanchez is a reasonably good CB who is good enough to be part of the squad in any of the top 6. He is also only 24 years old and is still very young for a centre back and has a lot of room to grow into. He has absolutely every chance of being that 'long term replacement'.

I don't know what you think the plan was, but Sanchez is a hit. Will he ever reach the peak of the two Belgium at their prime? Probably not. But there is only a handful of players in the world who are likely to. We probably slightly overpaid but at the moment he is a useful player to have and right now a first choice pick.

Rodon makes sense, and the reason for it is simple. It is succession planing for Toby. Although Toby is only 31 he isn't the same player he was and appears to be third choice at the moment. I suspect there is a belief that he will go sooner rather than later. There might also be doubts on Tanganga being ready, most of his good performances came at right back and while his future might be CB maybe Jose isn't fully convinced. And looks like his role this season will be 3rd choice for RB and CB.
 

cliff jones

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Still too many on here talking first XI / being back up etc, top teams need 4 CBs or 5 to have the option of 3 at the back, which Leicester like us dabble with

Four comps, loads of int football as well- plenty of opps for playing time

Sanchez hasn’t yet become the player I’d hoped he would but still time, players in his position mature later than strikers
 

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Still too many on here talking first XI / being back up etc, top teams need 4 CBs or 5 to have the option of 3 at the back, which Leicester like us dabble with

Four comps, loads of int football as well- plenty of opps for playing time

Sanchez hasn’t yet become the player I’d hoped he would but still time, players in his position mature later than strikers
I agree, when Rodon comes in we'll have Toby, Dier, Sanchez and Rodon with Japhet in support so not overloaded in CB's at all with all the fronts we'll be fighting on.
 

rio bryan

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Not sure Sanchez has much at all to do with it, he’sa good player and he’s still on an upward curve. I feel you’ve somewhat shoehorned in a criticism of him for the sake of it here.
He has gone backwards since we bought him, so much so that Dier is now in front of him and he was a def mid when we bought Sanchez.
 

rio bryan

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Sanchez is a reasonably good CB who is good enough to be part of the squad in any of the top 6. He is also only 24 years old and is still very young for a centre back and has a lot of room to grow into. He has absolutely every chance of being that 'long term replacement'.

I don't know what you think the plan was, but Sanchez is a hit. Will he ever reach the peak of the two Belgium at their prime? Probably not. But there is only a handful of players in the world who are likely to. We probably slightly overpaid but at the moment he is a useful player to have and right now a first choice pick.

Rodon makes sense, and the reason for it is simple. It is succession planing for Toby. Although Toby is only 31 he isn't the same player he was and appears to be third choice at the moment. I suspect there is a belief that he will go sooner rather than later. There might also be doubts on Tanganga being ready, most of his good performances came at right back and while his future might be CB maybe Jose isn't fully convinced. And looks like his role this season will be 3rd choice for RB and CB.
You've hit the nail on the head, we paid 42m pounds and 3 years later still isn't get good enough to get into any of the top 6 teams.
 

BringBack_leGin

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He has gone backwards since we bought him, so much so that Dier is now in front of him and he was a def mid when we bought Sanchez.
What happens with Dier under two different managers has literally nothing to do with Sanchez, and the first post of your comment is simply untrue now isn’t it.
 
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rio bryan

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What happens with Dier under two different managers has literally nothing to do with Sanchez, and the first post of your comment is simply untrue now isn’t it.
Well he hasn't progressed and is still making elementary mistakes and Dier was behind Sanchez 3 threes ago for a CB position and now is in front and 1st choice CB.
 

Mark_147

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Well he hasn't progressed and is still making elementary mistakes and Dier was behind Sanchez 3 threes ago for a CB position and now is in front and 1st choice CB.
Sanchez has played in 3 of 4 Premier league games this season, the only game he didn't play was the LOSS against Everton. Dier who makes just as many mistakes as sanchez has replaced Jan at LCB in the team and not sanchez. Sanchez being a RCB has now replaced Toby and at the age of just 24 I'd say that's progression.
 
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BringBack_leGin

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Well he hasn't progressed and is still making elementary mistakes and Dier was behind Sanchez 3 threes ago for a CB position and now is in front and 1st choice CB.
Doesn’t matter if you say he hasn’t progressed once, twice or fifteen times, it will remain untrue.

He makes mistakes, almost all centre backs do. Arguably the best centre back in the league, Van Dyke, has also made more mistakes leading to goals than any other outfield player since the start of 18/19.

Dier’s progress still has nothing to do with Sanchez, it only has to do with Dier. Once again, repeating this every post doesn’t make it any more true.
 

rio bryan

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Sanchez has played in 3 of 4 Premier league games this season, the only game he didn't play was the LOSS against Everton. Dier who makes just as many mistakes as sanchez has replaced Toby in the team and not sanchez.
We didn't pay 42m for Dier and i didn't mention who has replaced who just that Dier is our no1. choice CB and if we had bought Skriniar Sanchez would be 3 rd choice.
 

rio bryan

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Doesn’t matter if you say he hasn’t progressed once, twice or fifteen times, it will remain untrue.

He makes mistakes, almost all centre backs do. Arguably the best centre back in the league, Van Dyke, has also made more mistakes leading to goals than any other outfield player since the start of 18/19.

Dier’s progress still has nothing to do with Sanchez, it only has to do with Dier. Once again, repeating this every post doesn’t make it any more true.
Thats a matter of opinion not a fact, anyway we can all do as much talking as we like but the proof of the pudding is in the eating so lets see where he is 1/2 way through next season but i guess even then people will saying he is still young !
 
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BringBack_leGin

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Thats a matter of opinion not a fact, anyway we can all do as much talking as we like but the proof of the pudding is in the eating so lets see where he is 1/2 way through next season.
Yes, it is a matter of opinion not fact, but this entire discourse begun because you stated as fact that he hasn’t progressed since signing and was not a first choice centre back, despite him having started most of our matches this season, so I hope the irony of you resorting to saying ‘that’s just your opinion’ isn’t lost on you. See below:

we paid 42m for him to be Toby's/Jans long term replacement and to be that elite level centre back and unfortunately the plan hasn't worked.
He has gone backwards since we bought him, so much so that Dier is now in front of him
Well he hasn't progressed
 

Mark_147

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We didn't pay 42m for Dier and i didn't mention who has replaced who just that Dier is our no1. choice CB and if we had bought Skriniar Sanchez would be 3 rd choice.
Based on what tactical analysis could you tell me how you concluded that mourinho would opt to play 2 CB together (skriniar and Dier) for the majority of games considering the lack of pace in that pairing.
 
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