Jesse Lingard - Nottingham Forest

[Thenewcat]

He’s just part of that shitty toxic social media obsessed United group, and has a mentality where he’d rather dance on tik tok than show the world he wants to succeed.

I just do not want that culture at spurs, I’m glad alli is gone who was part of it, same way I wouldn’t want grealish, maddison etc.

Don’t think Maddison belongs on that list. He’s a proper player

 

[Thenewcat]

His Flute celebration makes me vomit a little bit... ?

Haven’t had to watch it much recently to be fair

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Lot's of random comments about lingard which are not true.

Firstly he is exceptionally tidy in possession, he very rarely tries a risky pass and is good in a possession based team. He actually runs about a lot, without being particularly effective in winning the ball. He is also very good in front of goal. Footballing wise it's a good move.....

But (and it's a massive but) he fails miserably in the 'no dickheads' policy. He's an absolute nob with a history of saying fucking stupid things and that fucking flute dance celebration, never has there been a player at spurs that I've actively disliked as a person. That might change if lingard came to us.

 

[Thenewcat]

Lot's of random comments about lingard which are not true.

He is also very good in front of goal. Footballing wise it's a good move.....

He isn’t and it isn’t. What is ‘random’ about pointing out he’s supposed to be a goalscoring midfielder and he has scored more than 4 PL goals in a season twice and he’s 29. Footballing wise it’s a terrible move as he isn’t close to Eriksen or Tielemans, never mind the names being hinted at. He’s not good enough for a CL team, he isn’t even good enough for United

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

He isn’t and it isn’t. What is ‘random’ about pointing out he’s supposed to be a goalscoring midfielder and he has scored more than 4 PL goals in a season twice and he’s 29. Footballing wise it’s a terrible move as he isn’t close to Eriksen or Tielemans, never mind the names being hinted at. He’s not good enough for a CL team, he isn’t even good enough for United

He is certainly not as good as eriksen. Plays further forward from tielemans and he is bang average anyway.

I was more making the point in general he would be a decent signing. Not specifically for spurs though.

The weird thing is those United stats are based off sub appearances, being pushed out to the wing and with no
consistency. Hasn't scored more than 4 goals a season at United means nothing.

We've seen what he can do when he is played in his preferred position at West ham.

Using his United stats without context, or any stats without context isn't a bright idea. I don't think he has ever played consistently at United, and certainly not in the number 10 role.

 

[pedrodelawasp]

Lingard had a purple patch at West Ham (a claret patch?) but it’s really not representative of his career as a whole. Quintessential example of a player (particularly a Man U player) whose promise is talked up for way too long then suddenly he’s 29 and never really done anything of note. We all know there’s a far better CAM available on a free. If we don’t want to go down that route give Gil a chance in preseason.

 

[Thenewcat]

He is certainly not as good as eriksen. Plays further forward from tielemans and he is bang average anyway.

I was more making the point in general he would be a decent signing. Not specifically for spurs though.

The weird thing is those United stats are based off sub appearances, being pushed out to the wing and with no
consistency. Hasn't scored more than 4 goals a season at United means nothing.

We've seen what he can do when he is played in his preferred position at West ham.

Using his United stats without context, or any stats without context isn't a bright idea. I don't think he has ever played consistently at United, and certainly not in the number 10 role.

I’m not using his United stats without context. I’m saying he’s 29 and has played at a high level for 5 months. Using his West Ham stats as if that’s what he does all the time is taking things out of context. if you’re 29 and have had 2 good seasons that’s unimpressive and that’s being generous.

However now you’re saying he’s a good signing but not specifically for spurs? I mean sure he’s a good signing for Bury but what does that have to do with anything. Then you say he’s not as good as the other players we might target so what are you even trying to say? He’s not good enough for spurs which is the only thing to debate here. Let’s move on

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I’m not using his United stats without context. I’m saying he’s 29 and has played at a high level for 5 months. Using his West Ham stats as if that’s what he does all the time is taking things out of context. if you’re 29 and have had 2 good seasons that’s unimpressive and that’s being generous.

However now you’re saying he’s a good signing but not specifically for spurs? I mean sure he’s a good signing for Bury but what does that have to do with anything. Then you say he’s not as good as the other players we might target so what are you even trying to say? He’s not good enough for spurs which is the only thing to debate here. Let’s move on

I said in my original post that I didn't want to sign him, I'm not sure why you decided to argue. I think he is a good footballer but a bellend.

I can't be arsed checking but if you bring up a goals per minute ratio in the premier league he will be on par with both tielemans and eriksen. (If not ahead)

 

[Thenewcat]

I said in my original post that I didn't want to sign him, I'm not sure why you decided to argue. I think he is a good footballer but a bellend.

I can't be arsed checking but if you bring up a goals per minute ratio in the premier league he will be on par with both tielemans and eriksen. (If not ahead)

You said footballing wise it would be a good move and I said it wouldn’t. That’s what I’m arguing. As for his goals per minute ratio, you are quite right, his ratio is slightly better than Eriksen and better than Tielemans. But he isn’t remotely close to either as a player because he’s a goalscoring midfielder who doesn’t score many goals and they are both much better at football in so many ways. The fact you’re even trying to debate it is ridiculous

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

You said footballing wise it would be a good move and I said it wouldn’t. That’s what I’m arguing. As for his goals per minute ratio, you are quite right, his ratio is slightly better than Eriksen and better than Tielemans. But he isn’t remotely close to either as a player because he’s a goalscoring midfielder who doesn’t score many goals and they are both much better at football in so many ways. The fact you’re even trying to debate it is ridiculous

I am not trying to debate that lingard is better than eriksen or tielemans, you were comparing them!

You also said that he's not a goalscoring midfielder and compared him directly with those two players.

I am not comparing those players as eriksen and tielemans both played cm last season and lingard has (as far as I know) never played central midfield.

He (lingard) is an attacking midfielder, behind the striker, a number 10, both eriksen (not for a long time) and tielemans do not play that role.

 

[UncleBuck]

Apart from a really good four months at West Ham what has he actually done on a consistent basis apart from sit on the bench of a team devoid of creativity and make himself look like a dick on social media?
The guy is 30 ffs, firstly I don’t know how that happened but most importantly he isn’t going to change and fits into that Dele/Pogba category who seem to do all their talking in social media, not what their employers pay them to do.
If WH don’t want him after how he performed for them you have to ask why.
Not fit to even lace Eriksen’s boots in my opinion.

 

[isaac94]

5 month decent spell, and seen people say his better than lucas, put some respect on Lucas name, yes his not perfect but scored more PL goals than Lingard has in his entire career, and double the amount of career goals despite being the same age

 

[wadewill]

Surely he is way too much of a bellend off the pitch for Antonio

And not actually good enough on it either

 

[Thenewcat]

I am not trying to debate that lingard is better than eriksen or tielemans, you were comparing them!

You also said that he's not a goalscoring midfielder and compared him directly with those two players.

I am not comparing those players as eriksen and tielemans both played cm last season and lingard has (as far as I know) never played central midfield.

He (lingard) is an attacking midfielder, behind the striker, a number 10, both eriksen (not for a long time) and tielemans do not play that role.

I didn’t say he’s not a goalscoring midfielder. I said he’s a goalscoring midfielder who doesn’t score many goals. The whole point is he’s in the team to do one thing and he doesn’t do it very well, and isn’t remotely good enough for spurs.

 

[Chimbo!]

I wonder whether the sudden reported interested in Lingard, the sudden dropped interest in Tielemens, and the impasse over Spence are all related. Spence was our homegrown plan but with that looking unlikely we are looking at a homegrown player in another position, hence Lingard.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Are you convinced he's better than Lucas? As an impact player I'd rather have Lucas running at people (he's ok at that centrally) than a Lingard who isn't playing regularly.

Yea fair, probably not much in it, different types of players

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Personally I completely disagree, Richarlison is a squad rotation option. I like him, he has a good work rate and he’s obviously driven, but in regards to his technical ability, he’s lacking. For me , if we are going to bring in a AM or RWF then we should be looking at someone who can really become a pivotal player for us. Really, we don’t actually have a playmaker/AM in the team. Kulu and Kane are the closest thing we have to one. For me Lingard isn’t the right answer to the question. At this point we should be looking for serious talent to put the cherry on top as it were rather then more back up/rotation options.

Yea would be good but not sure our budget will stretch to another £60m attacking player who can be a ‘pivotal’ player for us.

If we have that type of budget left and can still get in 2 CB’s and a RWB then great, if not then lingard on a free so we have 6 attacking options is an ok move especially as he’s homegrown. He’d not be my first choice by any means but could be a means to an end if budget is fully stretched.

 

[jay2040]

Depending on who else we buy I could live with him as a squad player and on a short term contract.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

More rumours today of proposals to Lingard, 3 proposals including Tottenham apparently. Could he be another HG attacking option we are looking at ? versatile could cover both wide n.o10 options and at a push mabye play in an advanced CM role against much lesser opposition.

Would be a very different option to Maddison and I’d hope we’d be going for both if so because Maddison is levels above Lingard.

Personally don’t think we’re in for him as we’d have likely tied it up way sooner given he’s on a free, but you never know as we do need more HG players and we seem to like signing players with PL experience atm.

Certainly wouldn’t mind him coming in on a free as our 6th attacker, as long as we also signed a more attacking creative CM and another CB.

 

[robertgoulet]

More rumours today of proposals to Lingard, 3 proposals including Tottenham apparently. Could he be another HG attacking option we are looking at ? versatile could cover both wide n.o10 options and at a push mabye play in an advanced CM role against much lesser opposition.

Would be a very different option to Maddison and I’d hope we’d be going for both if so because Maddison is levels above Lingard.

Personally don’t think we’re in for him as we’d have likely tied it up way sooner given he’s on a free, but you never know as we do need more HG players and we seem to like signing players with PL experience atm.

Certainly wouldn’t mind him coming in on a free as our 6th attacker, as long as we also signed a more attacking creative CM and another CB.

Doesn’t fit the “most of us would be happy with him” part of the ITK. Reckon most of us would be pretty underwhelmed, if not upset.