Jack Clarke

[wrd]

Yes, but it leaves us still with an attacking player short with a small chunk of our budget gone for this season. With Poch talking about winning the league, we need to think about our short term needs a little bit too.

It wouldn't be the end of the world if he didn't play too much next season, he's very young and we could loan him in January or next summer if that were the case. But now if we get injuries there will be a lack of depth again.

Yeah I agree, I think the club will be under pressure to add more in attack if we lose Llorente and given the injury records of Kane and Lamela, but let's be honest an 18 year old who doesn't start for Leeds is not the depth of a team winning the league, it was always going to be that we need more, he's one for the future and I hope a loan is better for his development.

 

[chrissivad]

If it’s true I think that’s why it’s delayed and they want to announce tanguy 1st so that our first signing in ages isn’t a loan back

Tottenham sign Young keeper Solberg
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...rs-complete-first-signing-summer-16274030.amp

Tottenham sign Notts County striker Etete
https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/new-article/

No guarantee that Clarke would go into the first team, so not sure it's any different to our 2 signings so far.

 

[spids]

Oh ffs annoyed we are loaning him back. We need squad depth and he would get minutes imo.

Would he though? Kane, Son, Moura, Dele, Eriksen (if here), Lamela, Lo Celso (if signed)... He’d be right at the back of that queue.

 

[Primativ]

Interesting that the decision seems to have changed on whether to loan him back to Leeds or not.

Wonder if it’s because we are now more confident on getting other targets - eg. GLC and now no longer see Clarke getting as many minutes next season

I actually think it's a good thing, because it must indicate we are planning on signing experienced first team ready players in those areas, I'm thinking GLC! He can play wide I believe. I'd say Zaha but I can't see that one happening.

 

[Johno1470]

How many do we need? (genuine question)

Son
Moura
Dele
Lamela

Other options
Edwards
Oakley booth

Not sure if we have any other good attacking midfielders coming through

We certainly need a lot more than that. Lamela can barely play anymore and Edwards/Oakley Booty aren’t anywhere near good enough. If we want to challenge for the league, we need players capable.

 

[Johno1470]

Tottenham sign Young keeper Solberg
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...rs-complete-first-signing-summer-16274030.amp

Tottenham sign Notts County striker Etete
https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/new-article/

No guarantee that Clarke would go into the first team, so not sure it's any different to our 2 signings so far.

Those two wouldn’t be training with the first team never mind being in contention for the squad. Clarke would be.

Baffles me why some count signings of the 16/17 year olds along with the likes of NDombele and Lo Celso.

 

[Coolpudge]

If Spurs are sending Clarke back to Leeds on loan that could imply that there will be other attacking players being signed and that Pochettino trusts Bielsa to look after him and develop him.

Other people have commented about how Leeds are signing Jack Harrison and Helder Costa and Clarke might not get much of an opportunity at Leeds but there are lots of games in the Championship. I would hope that he would start but I'm sure he'll play more for Leeds then he would at Spurs next season.

 

[chrissivad]

Those two wouldn’t be training with the first team never mind being in contention for the squad. Clarke would be.

Baffles me why some count signings of the 16/17 year olds along with the likes of NDombele and Lo Celso.

But is it much different to signing a 18 year old who may not be training with the first team?
As the discussion was on who should sign first, Clarke or Ndombele.

I just don't see why it matters who signs first, and why being our first signing (and they are not) matters

 

[Johno1470]

But is it much different to signing a 19 year old who may not be training with the first team?
As the discussion was on who should sign first, Clarke or Ndombele.

I just don't see why it matters who signs first, and why being our first signing (and they are not) matters

It is much different when none of the two have a senior playing appearance to their name. If and when Clarke signs for us and stays, he will be training with the first team. No doubt about it.

I wonder why the club didn’t even announce either of the signatures

 

[Saoirse]

But is it much different to signing a 18 year old who may not be training with the first team?
As the discussion was on who should sign first, Clarke or Ndombele.

I just don't see why it matters who signs first, and why being our first signing (and they are not) matters

We sign players all the time at youth level, but you're obviously not going to count a 12-year-old who's just moved from Watford - you wouldn't even hear about it. Somebody moving for a significant fee, with plenty of publicity, experience at a decent level behind him, very likely to be in first-team training and with a good chance of first-team minutes is a different matter - it's a first-team signing. Just from a publicity point of view it'd be silly to announce this move first with no need when we could make a big deal of our first signing instead being a world-class player if we can announce Ndombele tomorrow.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Yes, but it leaves us still with an attacking player short with a small chunk of our budget gone for this season. With Poch talking about winning the league, we need to think about our short term needs a little bit too.

It wouldn't be the end of the world if he didn't play too much next season, he's very young and we could loan him in January or next summer if that were the case. But now if we get injuries there will be a lack of depth again.

I'd say highly unlikely Levy would be paying the c£9m fixed part part of the fee up front, as is almost never the case.

Leeds will pay us a loan fee for him, as MK Dons did for Alli - which will cover part of the first instalment.

So we're spending maybe a couple of million from the 18/19 budget to secure the player and protect against his value exploding.

That's just smart operating.

I share your concerns for short term depth, but I'd be hopeful any loan back means we're close on Sessegnon.

Perhaps also leaving room for a more game ready forward later in the window. One who can also play up front.

 

[chrissivad]

It is much different when none of the two have a senior playing appearance to their name. If and when Clarke signs for us and stays, he will be training with the first team. No doubt about it.

I wonder why the club didn’t even announce either of the signatures

We announce Etete along with other contact updates

"We are pleased to confirm that Japhet Tanganga and Jack Roles have signed new contracts with the Club until 2020 and 2021 respectively, whilst striker Kion Etete has joined from Notts County.

Etete, 17, made six first team appearances for The Magpies in 2018/19 and will join our Academy set-up."
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2019/june/player-update/

So he does have senior caps..

 

[cliff jones]

LOL at those who think we can properly compete in four competitions with Kane, Alli, Son, Moura

plus Eriksen/replacement
plus Lamela (for a third or quarter of the season)

plus a few 18 yr old youth

that's clearly two light:
a target man, and
someone who isn't injured all the time to give Eriksen or his replacement an occasional rest

Clarke is not the answer to either of these problems

 

[wirE]

Leeds are pursuing Wolves winger Helder Costa. A year loan

If true, then there can't be a deal which includes a loan back for Clarke...?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

LOL at those who think we can properly compete in four competitions with Kane, Alli, Son, Moura

plus Eriksen/replacement
plus Lamela (for a third or quarter of the season)

plus a few 18 yr old youth

that's clearly two light:
a target man, and
someone who isn't injured all the time to give Eriksen or his replacement an occasional rest

Clarke is not the answer to either of these problems

I'm not getting your point.

Jack Clarke looks like a very promising, exciting youngster. You're not suggesting we shouldn't be signing him are you?

Is it that you're worried this would be instead of a more established player?

 

[rossdapep]

LOL at those who think we can properly compete in four competitions with Kane, Alli, Son, Moura

plus Eriksen/replacement
plus Lamela (for a third or quarter of the season)

plus a few 18 yr old youth

that's clearly two light:
a target man, and
someone who isn't injured all the time to give Eriksen or his replacement an occasional rest

Clarke is not the answer to either of these problems

I agree with you on being light and Clarke not being an answer to a team looking to win major honours, except I don't think we need a target man.

We appear to be still in contention for Lo Celso and we've had ITK that Poch is talking to Zaha, which implies Poch wants two more attacking options.

Let's say that happens - We would have Lo Celso, Lamela & Eriksen duking it out for the AM roles, Kane (obviously as the central striker), Lucas, Son, Zaha & Alli drifting across the frontline or rotating with Kane when needed. Then Clarke as an option to get minutes when possible (who knows he may even force his way in).

I think we'd have enough to compete with that lot and as Zaha, Son, Alli and Lucas CAN all operate in the middle or off the last line of defence, we wouldn't need a CF (similar to Liverpool). By the sounds of it, the club are getting pretty hyped about Parrott, I'd hate to think we'd have two CFs blocking his path in a year or twos time.

 

[he is you know!]

I agree with you on being light and Clarke not being an answer to a team looking to win major honours, except I don't think we need a target man.

We appear to be still in contention for Lo Celso and we've had ITK that Poch is talking to Zaha, which implies Poch wants two more attacking options.

Let's say that happens - We would have Lo Celso, Lamela & Eriksen duking it out for the AM roles, Kane (obviously as the central striker), Lucas, Son, Zaha & Alli drifting across the frontline or rotating with Kane when needed. Then Clarke as an option to get minutes when possible (who knows he may even force his way in).

I think we'd have enough to compete with that lot and as Zaha, Son, Alli and Lucas CAN all operate in the middle or off the last line of defence, we wouldn't need a CF (similar to Liverpool). By the sounds of it, the club are getting pretty hyped about Parrott, I'd hate to think we'd have two CFs blocking his path in a year or twos time.

Sorry, talking to multiple players does not mean we intend to buy them both. We have no doubt been in contact with several options at whichever position we're looking for. Personally don't want Zaha, obviously didn't mention to Poch that he's a gooner!

Hopefully our Lo Celso strategy works and he becomes main Eriksen alternative.

Unless something major happens still think Clarke will stay until Jan as stated by Herc.

 

[cliff jones]

I agree with you on being light and Clarke not being an answer to a team looking to win major honours, except I don't think we need a target man.

We appear to be still in contention for Lo Celso and we've had ITK that Poch is talking to Zaha, which implies Poch wants two more attacking options.

Let's say that happens - We would have Lo Celso, Lamela & Eriksen duking it out for the AM roles, Kane (obviously as the central striker), Lucas, Son, Zaha & Alli drifting across the frontline or rotating with Kane when needed. Then Clarke as an option to get minutes when possible (who knows he may even force his way in).

I think we'd have enough to compete with that lot and as Zaha, Son, Alli and Lucas CAN all operate in the middle or off the last line of defence, we wouldn't need a CF (similar to Liverpool). By the sounds of it, the club are getting pretty hyped about Parrott, I'd hate to think we'd have two CFs blocking his path in a year or twos time.

yeah I'd go along with that! But i can't see us buying TnD, GLC and WZ while hanging on to Eriksen?

 

[cliff jones]

I'm not getting your point.

Jack Clarke looks like a very promising, exciting youngster. You're not suggesting we shouldn't be signing him are you?

Is it that you're worried this would be instead of a more established player?

Other posters were suggesting Clarke and perhaps our youth options would give us enough in the attacking third, without replacing Llorente. Does that help?

 

[yankspurs]

Spurs first signing after 515 days is a sign and loan back. Spursy