I cant beileve there is people who still wish we had Sherwood.....

[Sweech]

It's identical to your mate being a "flat earther". He'll keep spouting Tim's win record just like a flat earther keeps spouting they can't see the curvature of the earth.

Fact is he's a moron and there's nothing you can do to change it or convince him otherwise. All you can do is ask yourself how much of his stupid shit you're willing to put up with.

Although if you really want to be a prick you can always act like a triangle earther and tell him that AVB is in fact the best because he finished with the most points at the end of a season.

 

[Shea]

It seems ridiculous to me that Sherwood still has Spurs fans who give him a second thought now

But then it was equally ridiculous to me that so many fans kept on longing for AVB and making threads on here to discuss his current career and pose questions as to whether or not we should have kept him

I guess ex managers will always have their fan boys, supporters who wish they had an old manager still in charge or just still harbour anger around their beloved manager being unfairly treated/sacked etc

I don't get why any fan even cares about an ex manager, but that's me, I'm more interested in what we as a club are doing now, but to each their own.

Sherwood did better than expected, but he was never the right man for the job, surely his time at Villa has just confirmed that. We are doing pretty well right now and should in my eyes all be very happy with the man we have in charge not worrying about what Sherwood, AVB, Harry, Ramos or Jol would have could have should have done with us

 

[Styopa]

Sherwood gets more stick than he's due, probably mainly because he's perceived as having being instrumental in the downfall of the Boy Wonder. That said, we have clearly made exceptional progress under Pochettino and why any fan would wish we had any other coach in charge right now is beyond me.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

My mate who loves Sherwood and thinks he is better than Poch saying Poch has done no better than Sherwood just sent me this:


This should make interesting reading for you both. You like to use Arsenal as a benchmark, well Spurs were not the only team to get thrashed by title chasers that season. In 22 games Wenger got 2 more points than Sherwood, the same as the current gap, same number of wins 13 but 2 extra draws. Spurs got spanked by W Ham, City and Liverpool under AVB that season before Sherwood came in so more to do with playing personnel I think, we signed 7 players with no prem experience that summer. The 5-1 loss to City Rose gave away a dubious penalty in 50th minute with score 1-0 to City and was sent off which was later rescinded by the FA, Dawson also had a goal disallowed which replay showed was onside also with score at 1-0, could say slightly unfortunate. The 4-0 loss to Chelsea was very close until in 56th minute Vertonghen slipped and tried to pass it towards Lloris but actually played in Eto’o to score one on one. 4 minutes later Chelsea were awarded a dubious penalty for a foul by Kaboul who was sent off which again was rescinded by FA, again a bit unlucky, Chelsea scored 2 more with Spurs down to 10 in 88th and 89th minutes, Sandro being a cock I seem to recall. Currently Spurs have 42 points from 23 games. Sherwood accumulated the same number of points in one less game. This was in his first job as manager inheriting a disjointed team that had just been thrashed 5-1 at home to Liverpool mid season, 7 new signings with no prem experience, no transfer window himself, no pre season and a crippling injury list. 2 years down the line with 2 pre seasons, several transfer windows, backing of fans and chairman we are no better off points wise yet in both your opinions Sherwood was massively incompetent and Poch is doing an amazing job. These are the facts.

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We have been having many debates about it.

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Thats opinion, im talking about facts. Beat teams he should have done?? How many draws this season against teams we should beat?? He beat them, got the points. My point is loads of people are waxing lyrical about Poch yet slagged Sherwood when the facts are Poch has done no better with more opportunity. Fact not opinion.



What do you guys think. I think its aload of rubbish, we was doing alright under AVB when he got sacked, Sherwood was given the job which he should not have and done an OK job in a short time but was tactically not good enough, we would never be where we are now with Sherwood. I need some good responses to shut up him up cause he just wont listen to me..

I can understand some of the pro Sherwood argument, even if I think it's flawed. I think the bloke is a grade A cocknocking chancer but if you just look at the "facts" i.e. his PPG as Spurs manager you can make some sort of case for the bloke, at least to have been given more time. What I (and many others I'm sure) would point to is that although his PPG was decent, there was absolutely no evidence of any ability to actually coach or teach footballers anything, no methodology or of a clear ethos with Sherwood, and this also became evident at his next job with Villa too.

He lost his two best players at Villa, but this is a normal obstacle for the vast majority of football managers, there are 98 clubs in Europe's top 5 leagues and only about 5 or 6 of them don't have to deal with losing their best players. This is why some coaching and tactical ability is important vital.

He had previously held a spurious title with a very, very vague remit. Had taken a lot of credit for an academy who's practical structure and over arching philosophy from top to bottom had been architected by others, mainly John McDermott. As far as anyone can establish, he has no coaching qualification, has never held any full time coaching job at any level of football, he's never had to devise and structure coaching methodology in any detail. It was absolutely crackers for any top level (and by that I include the championship too) club to take tyne bloke seriously in todays, far more advanced and complex game.

 

[yido_number1]

If you want to chose an effective way to judge Tim Sherwood watch him on Match of the Day and listen to the tripe that comes out of his mouth. He is absolutely full of shit.

My assessment of the last three managers:

AVB: Had a strategy, a style of play and helped Bale go to the next level by creating a solid base and making it all about Bale. failed to replace Bale despite heavy investment and then fell out with the bone idle players he signed. Players stopped playing for him and we were right to move on.

Sherwood: Quite simply players were happy to get rid of AVB and probably had a right laugh with Timmy. On the pitch we had no structure or game plan and just went for it. If you throw enough shit at the wall some of it inevitably sticks. Found out against the bigger teams that had a plan for us and was rightly moved on.

Pochettino: Decent first year overhauling the poorly balanced squad he inherited and dealt with people who didn't fit or buy into his philosophy. Worked hard and spoke constantly about changing the mentality and making us winners.
Second year signed players to fill gaps and promoted more youth players. Players believe in the work ethic and we built from an initially strong core to gradually add some more flair to our game. This year there is a harmony around the club I've not experienced since being a spurs fan in the mid 80's.

 

[tiger666]

If you want to chose an effective way to judge Tim Sherwood watch him on Match of the Day and listen to the tripe that comes out of his mouth. He is absolutely full of shit.

My assessment of the last three managers:

AVB: Had a strategy, a style of play and helped Bale go to the next level by creating a solid base and making it all about Bale. failed to replace Bale despite heavy investment and then fell out with the bone idle players he signed. Players stopped playing for him and we were right to move on.

Sherwood: Quite simply players were happy to get rid of AVB and probably had a right laugh with Timmy. On the pitch we had no structure or game plan and just went for it. If you throw enough shit at the wall some of it inevitably sticks. Found out against the bigger teams that had a plan for us and was rightly moved on.

Pochettino: Decent first year overhauling the poorly balanced squad he inherited and dealt with people who didn't fit or buy into his philosophy. Worked hard and spoke constantly about changing the mentality and making us winners.
Second year signed players to fill gaps and promoted more youth players. Players believe in the work ethic and we built from an initially strong core to gradually add some more flair to our game. This year there is a harmony around the club I've not experienced since being a spurs fan in the mid 80's.

I thought he was pretty good on motd lately tbh.

 

[yido_number1]

I thought he was pretty good on motd lately tbh.

Awkward moment where I'm not sure if you are serious or not?

 

[tiger666]

Awkward moment where I'm not sure if you are serious or not?

Lol I am serious. Shit manager yeah but at least he has opinions and sticks by them. He doesn't just pander like the usual fuckwits they drag on there.

 

[yido_number1]

Lol I am serious. Shit manager yeah but at least he has opinions and sticks by them. He doesn't just pander like the usual fuckwits they drag on there.

He sounds like one of my mates that is lacking in any kind of real football knowledge. He's of the whack it in there and run about mold. I have a fairly common south london accent but hearing him talks makes me cringe. He sounds like a 14 year old rude boy.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

If you want to chose an effective way to judge Tim Sherwood watch him on Match of the Day and listen to the tripe that comes out of his mouth. He is absolutely full of shit.

My assessment of the last three managers:

AVB: Had a strategy, a style of play and helped Bale go to the next level by creating a solid base and making it all about Bale. failed to replace Bale despite heavy investment and then fell out with the bone idle players he signed. Players stopped playing for him and we were right to move on.

Sherwood: Quite simply players were happy to get rid of AVB and probably had a right laugh with Timmy. On the pitch we had no structure or game plan and just went for it. If you throw enough shit at the wall some of it inevitably sticks. Found out against the bigger teams that had a plan for us and was rightly moved on.

Pochettino: Decent first year overhauling the poorly balanced squad he inherited and dealt with people who didn't fit or buy into his philosophy. Worked hard and spoke constantly about changing the mentality and making us winners.
Second year signed players to fill gaps and promoted more youth players. Players believe in the work ethic and we built from an initially strong core to gradually add some more flair to our game. This year there is a harmony around the club I've not experienced since being a spurs fan in the mid 80's.

I'm not so sure the players had a great laugh with Sherwood in charge? I think it's now common knowledge that the likes of Lloris & Vertonghen were actively seeking the exit door. Thankfully Pochettino has come in, and here they stay!!

Thank fuck that clown was shown the door!!

 

[yido_number1]

I'm not so sure the players had a great laugh with Sherwood in charge? I think it's now common knowledge that the likes of Lloris & Vertonghen were actively seeking the exit door. Thankfully Pochettino has come in, and here they stay!!

Thank fuck that clown was shown the door!!

When I say having a laugh I meant not training hard and fucking about... I totally agree not everyone was happy and that is the difference between the winners and losers. Winners want to work hard and aren't prepared to relax, losers skive at every opportunity and thats why Ade, Kaboul and Lennon were out the door!

 

[Strikeb4ck]

I completely disagree. Give me this season where the top 4 have been completely mixed up instead of any other boring predictable season with the usual teams in the top 4 any day of the week. Man United and Chelsea may have gone backwards but Spurs and Leicester have massively improved.

There's a lot more quality around mid table this season as well with Stoke and Everton.

You're confirming my point - the league is the worst it's been in a long time this year. Leicester would never be top 4 in the 09/10 Prem, for instance.

Lol at the squad harmony bit, that's kind of down to the manager. And also this has been the best PL in years, open and can be anyone's who truly has the balls to grab it. Maybe you like a 2 or 3 horse race, if so there is still Spain and the Germany for you. IMO over the next few years it's going to be more of the same in England.

See above. And Sherwood came into the squad late when the season was already a catastrophe, that squad harmony part is not on him.

 

[Shadydan]

You're confirming my point - the league is the worst it's been in a long time this year. Leicester would never be top 4 in the 09/10 Prem, for instance.


See above. And Sherwood came into the squad late when the season was already a catastrophe, that squad harmony part is not on him.

If your point is about the league getting worse Leicester being top totally contradicts your point.

 

[Tom Pops]

You're confirming my point - the league is the worst it's been in a long time this year. Leicester would never be top 4 in the 09/10 Prem, for instance.

That only proves that most of the regular top 4 have gotten poorer though.

 

[Shadydan]

That only proves that most of the regular top 4 have gotten poorer though.

Exactly, the quality of the top four has decreased somewhat but the majority of the teams have got better and closed the gap therefore the overall quality of the league has got better.

 

[ecce_tottenham]

@OP

If he's using points won as the bar, offer him the manager who earned us the most points over the course of an entire PL season; the only real stretch of time that matters.

His bête noir: AVB

 

[DaleMurphy]

Have no issue w Sherwood thought he was a breath of fresh air that the squad desperately needed at that point in time. He is not a PL manager tho.

What Poch has done w the squad and the academy and the overall philosophy of the club in such a short time is absolutely incredible. Even Levy trusts him ffs

 

[Mornstar]

You need to find more worthwhile things to debate my friend. I suggest starting with the following:
Does God exist?
Was Christ really crucified?
Can world peace be attained if we continue with our ways or is world war three inevitable?

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Ahh......Sherwood! He is still not on any Coaching License course right? That tells you what a person he is.....he thinks he is better than all and don't need any Coaching Certs to be successful. I bet, if he one day he becomes a successful head coach/manager (that is a BIG IF!!!), he will make sure that everyone knows that he doesn't have a Coaching License/Certificate; Don't need 1 to be successful.

 

[jezz]

Siggy and Chadli as the midfield 2. Thanks Timmy now fcuk off back to the wilderness.