He's Magic!!!

[TheHood]

cant compare avb to poch poch team lightyears a head of boring avb

The comparison should be Redknapp, similar achievements at the club, same philosophy to the cup tournaments. Both are good managers but neither should be elevated above that station.

 

[glospur]

The comparison should be Redknapp, similar achievements at the club, same philosophy to the cup tournaments. Both are good managers but neither should be elevated above that station.

Interesting.

Do you think Pochettino has the potential to lead the club to a point where he should be elevated above that station?

 

[Kiedis]

Bale in 89th minute in prob 10 of them...

From the very top of my head; 2 came after he had left, 1 was at Stamford Bridge where Ade and Sigurdsson scored, 2 were against Basel when Sigurdsson scored twice in the first leg (I think) and Dempsey scored 2 in the second, 1 was when Lennon equalised at the death against Man United and one where away against Lyon when Dembele scored to make it 1-1. One was away at Wigan where Dawson (?) equalised at the end of the game, another were at home against Reading, where Dawson, Ade and Dempsey scored. Another one was at Stoke, where Dempsey and Ade scored.

In fact, I can only remember the 3-2 away at West Ham as one where Bale turned it around. He also equalised at Carrow Road to make it 1-1.

To make a long story short; in AVBs first season, we eventually became a pretty mentally tough lot, even though it all eventually collapsed in the season after. And even though Bale played in the 2012/2013 team, it also contained Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen, Dembele and Sandro; along with Lennon and Defoe having their last decent spell for us, so it was a decent team all together.

But, I'm digressing like a motherbanger here. Sorry about that.

 

[dudu]

Very good point there and one that only struck me last week. Under Poch we don't lose matches we might have lost in previous years and we rarely draw matches we might have won. On the contrary, we usually win matches we might have drawn - Burnley being a prime example.

And for a man who's supposedly not proactive with his substitutions, putting on Son when he did in order to try and kill off Southampton was exactly the right move at the right time. And that would still have been the case even if Son hadn't scored one and created another.

We still draw ALOT of matches because the turgid grind it out style of Pochettino dictates it. He needs to open it up more.[/QUOTE]

We are winning more and losing less than ever.

I can t stress enough how wrong I think you are about our style of play and I believe if you were less sensationalistic and hyperbolic you might come across more credibly.

Honest question.... What other football do you watch regularly besides spurs?

 

[TheHood]

Interesting.

Do you think Pochettino has the potential to lead the club to a point where he should be elevated above that station?

I have seen nothing to suggest that he will be any different to Redknapp. If the same strategy/approach is being employed then why should we expect a different outcome?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

@yankspurs THFC expectations =

After all these years, is that Yellow?

 

[lukespurs7]

I have seen nothing to suggest that he will be any different to Redknapp. If the same strategy/approach is being employed then why should we expect a different outcome?

I was a big redknapp fan but how on earth is this the same managerial strategy? Redknapp built an exciting short term team, Poch is building a dynasty!

 

[lukespurs7]

We still draw ALOT of matches because the turgid grind it out style of Pochettino dictates it. He needs to open it up more.

We are winning more and losing less than ever.

I can t stress enough how wrong I think you are about our style of play and I believe if you were less sensationalistic and hyperbolic you might come across more credibly.

Honest question.... What other football do you watch regularly besides spurs?[/QUOTE]
Agree

 

[TheHood]

I was a big redknapp fan but how on earth is this the same managerial strategy? Redknapp built an exciting short term team, Poch is building a dynasty!

There are no dynasties outside of the elite clubs in the modern game. We've seen with the likes of Dortmund and A. Madrid that any success is not sustainable and the sides that obtained that success will be soon be dismantled. Pochettinho is very much like Redknapp, both managers priorities clearly rest with the league, both have issues maintaining form in the business end of the league and both readily sacrifice the cup tournaments to focus on that campaign. Their comments and conduct towards the UEFA areindistinguishable from each other. Neither are top level managers, good managers absolutely, but their tournament hauls speak for themselves. I've seen enough of our current manager to say that any silverware achieved during his tenure will come as a large surprise.

 

[Bulletspur]

The way he managed our involvement in the CL disappointed me. He needs to take every game and play our best available players. Subsequent games will take of itself. Pissed me off how he fielded a weakened team in our last CL because we had Chelsea next, a game we went on to lose. He sacrificed our involvement in the CL for nothing. Why try to make top 4 in order to play in the CL, but then sacrifice playing in it in order to make to make top 4 to play in the CL? Magic? Potential but not there yet.​

 

[Charly***]

There are no dynasties outside of the elite clubs in the modern game. We've seen with the likes of Dortmund and A. Madrid that any success is not sustainable and the sides that obtained that success will be soon be dismantled. Pochettinho is very much like Redknapp, both managers priorities clearly rest with the league, both have issues maintaining form in the business end of the league and both readily sacrifice the cup tournaments to focus on that campaign. Their comments and conduct towards the UEFA areindistinguishable from each other. Neither are top level managers, good managers absolutely, but their tournament hauls speak for themselves. I've seen enough of our current manager to say that any silverware achieved during his tenure will come as a large surprise.

i'd say they're almost polar opposites. For example the way they deal with the press Harry was the main entertainment on transfer deadline day, Poch gives nothing away.

Harry was very much you're good players just go out and play, we didn't have much of a plan when we didn't have the ball, whereas for Poch it's fundamental.

Rose came out and said Poch is the first manager to actually coach him on playing his position. As well as winning football matches Poch is improving footballers, there is more of a long-term vision in that respect.

Poch looks to have negotiated the clubs unique-ish structure far better than Redknap did in terms of accepting Levy's modus operandi.

Most fundamentally Harry was an older manager set in his ways whilst Poch is young and evolving.

They do treat the cup competitions in a similar manner but with the stadium on the horizon and the funds accrued from Champions League qualification that does have a logic to it in the short term. There is arguments both ways on that but that's the only way I can see that they're in any way similar.

 

[TheHood]

There was more to Redknapp than simply allowing the players freedom to enjoy themselves. If it were that easy every manager would have success with this approach. You simply do not finish 4th and get to a CL quarter final if that is all you have. You cite Rose as a player who has benefited from Pochettinho but it was was Redknapp who actually saw his potential to play in that postion and converted him into a left back. I don't have a particular fondness for either man ( any manager who sacrifices the cup tournaments in such a manner will always be on thin ice with me) and I would agree with the assertion that there is a clear difference in character of he two. However the strategy that they employ and the outcomes that they achieve with that approach are very much the same and that is the key. As for you last point, CL revenues have virtually no bearing on the stadium. The clubs scope for consistent CL qualification with its current capacity is almost nil, this was and never would be factored into the financing of this. And there is absolutely no argument to the club sacrificing the tournaments it can win for CL revenues. There is little benefit to be obtained from this.

 

[Shadydan]

From the very top of my head; 2 came after he had left, 1 was at Stamford Bridge where Ade and Sigurdsson scored, 2 were against Basel when Sigurdsson scored twice in the first leg (I think) and Dempsey scored 2 in the second, 1 was when Lennon equalised at the death against Man United and one where away against Lyon when Dembele scored to make it 1-1. One was away at Wigan where Dawson (?) equalised at the end of the game, another were at home against Reading, where Dawson, Ade and Dempsey scored. Another one was at Stoke, where Dempsey and Ade scored.

In fact, I can only remember the 3-2 away at West Ham as one where Bale turned it around. He also equalised at Carrow Road to make it 1-1.

To make a long story short; in AVBs first season, we eventually became a pretty mentally tough lot, even though it all eventually collapsed in the season after. And even though Bale played in the 2012/2013 team, it also contained Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen, Dembele and Sandro; along with Lennon and Defoe having their last decent spell for us, so it was a decent team all together.

But, I'm digressing like a motherbanger here. Sorry about that.

West Brom, Sunderland, Southampton, Newcastle...all matches where Bale won the game on his own, these are pretty much off the top of my head but there's probably more

 

[StartingPrice]

Under AVB, we came back from being behind to draw or win 15 times.

It's a decent point.

But, in fairness to myself, I should point out that I didn't say he couldn't turn games around or that he never did so. I said he couldn't/wouldn't alter the momentum with his tactics - which remained to rely on his default tactic of tightening the screw in midfield. The context is a discussion about default tactics.

 

[alexis]

I think the Gooner (!) who said we were a Sanchez and Özil away from winning the title was bang on.

De bruyne and sanchez

 

[Gb160]

Kaboul gives him a bit of a kicking in the mail, seems to conveniently forget he was playing like a bit of a clown at the time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-respect-Watford-prepare-host-Tottenham.html

 

[Kiedis]

West Brom, Sunderland, Southampton, Newcastle...all matches where Bale won the game on his own, these are pretty much off the top of my head but there's probably more

Of course, I was just making the point that there were more to us than Bale that season.

 

[tiger666]

Kaboul gives him a bit of a kicking in the mail, seems to conveniently forget he was playing like a bit of a clown at the time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-respect-Watford-prepare-host-Tottenham.html

To be fair, all he seems to be saying is he wanted some communication which wasn't forthcoming.

 

[Nerine]

I like Poch. He's cool af

 

[StartingPrice]

To be fair, all he seems to be saying is he wanted some communication which wasn't forthcoming.

I always liked Kaboul. I spoke out for him, because I thought he has something, during his first stint at the Lane. As well as being as delighted as everyone else when we beat the Scum 3 - 2 at the Scumerates (end a long win-less streak away to them), I also had a tenner on 3 - 2 at 40 -1. So I have some great memories thank to him.

But...wasn't the rift because Kaboul, along with Lennon (and 1 more) attempted to lead a players coup against Poch over training methods? Maybe Younes is conveniently forgetting that aspect of their relationship?