Haye V Fury

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God I hate Haye. I'm a fair weather boxing fan so don't really know much, but surely Fury is out of his depth? I'd love to see him get a lucky shot off and knock Kaye out though. I think the guy is completely reprehensible and a very bad role model the way he conducts himself. Saw him at Heathrow once and he walks about like he's some sort of god.

What happened to Price? They say stamina problems were the reason for his second loss. Or is that just an excuse?
 

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Frank Warren suggesting Chisora v Fury could happen in December, Chisora won the European heavyweight title last night.

Price has no chin, AW?.
 

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God I hate Haye. I'm a fair weather boxing fan so don't really know much, but surely Fury is out of his depth? I'd love to see him get a lucky shot off and knock Kaye out though. I think the guy is completely reprehensible and a very bad role model the way he conducts himself. Saw him at Heathrow once and he walks about like he's some sort of god.

What happened to Price? They say stamina problems were the reason for his second loss. Or is that just an excuse?

Can't stand Haye either.

Price tried really hard the 2nd time to knock Thompson out and ran out of steam. It was very stupid of him.

Maybe now is a good time for Price v Fury.
 

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Tyson's uncle trainer Peter Fury said he would only believe the fight would take place when Haye actually got through the ropes on the night. The fight will not happen now. Fury has wasted ten hard weeks training on this and will not trust Haye to duck out a second time.

I suspect Haye will look for an easier option when he sees that one of the Klitscho's has retired.
 

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I suspect Haye will look for an easier option when he sees that one of the Klitscho's has retired.
Fury would have been an easy option for Haye. It was an accident. Haye was genuinely disappointed. Either that or that was an oscar winning performance.
 

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yes, as a kid for a while. Why do you ask?

Because we fundamentaly disagree about the outcome of the fight. In all honesty I would take a person who has boxed more seriously. Fair play to you.
 

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I've seen that before shea. That was a will back. Fury has stepped up his professional attitude and quality of training considerably since then. I am not dissing David Haye as a fighter. I always like him. As a world champion at two weights he is due considerable respect. I based my opinion on Haye being the far hungrier fighter. Haye has been there and done it. Fury would have had his work cut out in the opening few rounds but if he had come through those rounds I believe this is where Fury's hunger, size and power would have come to the fore. Haye has been virtually inactive for two years, bar his few rounds against Chisora. Fury wkuld have used his power and Haye's diminishing belief to stop him.
I only posted it for comic effect

But in all honest I think you're drastically under rating Haye and over rating Fury if you think he would have beat Haye
 

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Tyson's uncle trainer Peter Fury said he would only believe the fight would take place when Haye actually got through the ropes on the night. The fight will not happen now. Fury has wasted ten hard weeks training on this and will not trust Haye to duck out a second time.

I suspect Haye will look for an easier option when he sees that one of the Klitscho's has retired.
He didnt duck out first time. He got cut. Do you think Haye would cut himself on purpose to fight a man who is almost perfectly made for him? ( Fury is an easy to hit, stand up tall fighter, susceptible to a straight/overhand right, a shot ( shots ) which Haye throws superbly and has been down against powder puff fighters ) Losing £5m odd in the process by way of earnings and probably tens of thousands in training expenses for the past three months or so...

Conspiracy theories exist in all sport, none more so than Boxing, but Haye "ducking out" of Fury is up there with the best if that's what people are suggesting.

Haye has faced much more dangerous men in the ring than Fury too. Would seem strange to suddenly start "running scared" against someone of Fury's capability.

Like Haxman said earlier in the thread, this was similar to the Audley fiasco. A fight that involved two fighters of differing levels being hyped to the hilt and hoodwinking the general public in to believing its a real pick em fight, meaning lots of interest and big dough for those involved. I remember plenty picking Audley to give Haye all kinds of trouble in the build up to that one...Enzo was another example.

I like Fury, but believe Haye was taking him out in style in this one.

I would like to see a Fury-Chisora rematch, especially if Chisora comes to the fight in shape, would make for an interesting and close fight.
 

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Also, where else is Fury going to earn that sort of money? It could still take place early next year although I wouldn't rule out one of them getting the nod to take on the Wlad-Povetkin winner.
 

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Because we fundamentaly disagree about the outcome of the fight. In all honesty I would take a person who has boxed more seriously. Fair play to you.
I assume then that you have boxed. I'm surprised then that you see an established ex world champion at 2 weights losing to a fairly much untested heavyweight who in his last fight got floored by a cruiserweight (like Haye was). Haye, and early too.
 

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Not sure why having boxed has to mean anything. I've boxed been around boxers for yonks and am friends with plenty of fighters. Half of them don't really care about the majority of fights to even give an opinion on them!

Its not as if the ex-pros who now double up as expert pundits for example, ever get it wrong is it?

I remember the old Boxing News votes when Enzo-Haye was being talked about. If I remember correctly it was more or less 50-50 across the board, with some pro's, ex-pro's and trainers alike saying Enzo will win even though it always seemed painfully obvious to me that Haye was a level or two above him.
 

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Not sure why having boxed has to mean anything. I've boxed been around boxers for yonks and am friends with plenty of fighters. Half of them don't really care about the majority of fights to even give an opinion on them!

Its not as if the ex-pros who now double up as expert pundits for example, ever get it wrong is it?

I remember the old Boxing News votes when Enzo-Haye was being talked about. If I remember correctly it was more or less 50-50 across the board, with some pro's, ex-pro's and trainers alike saying Enzo will win even though it always seemed painfully obvious to me that Haye was a level or two above him.

I agree, it's just a horse shit thing some people say to try and make themselves seem more knowledgeable.
 

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It's a fair enough question to ask if someone has boxed. Would you take someone as seriously if they had never played football but offered up opinions on it? I come from a boxing background having fought as an amateur. My father and various uncles boxed as pros.

Regarding the ill fated Haye vs Fury match. Haye would have been fighting an opponent whonis considerably larger than himself. If we look back at when he did this before against Valuev and Klitscho we may well get some indication of how he would have approached the fight. Despite all his pre fight bravado of taking the fight to them he kept at range and tried to out box them. While this worked against Valuev it certainly did not against Klitscho. Haye knew that if he tried to mix it with a larger powerful fighter he may well have been taken out himself. If he had tried those tactics in a big hyped domestic showdown he would have booed like hell for putting in another no show like he did against Klitscho where he stink the place out by not wanting to fight. Despite Fury's short comings he carries a superb powetful jab and the ability to take anyone out at anytime. He is a far better technical boxer - now that he takes the game seriously than given credit for. This is where having boxed and been around boxing comes in handy. Fury's problem is the opposite to Haye - he likes to fight too much. Against Cunningham, he really missed his uncle's calming advice in his corner. He would have told him to box, box, box and stop leaving himself open trying to show the yanks how tough he is.

I like David Haye as a man and followed his career wjth interest. I simply believe Fury is more hungry and even if he was put fown he would have got up and fkund a way to win because he wants it so much. Haye has been there and done it. I wuestilned whether if it got tough he still had the desire to dig deep.
 

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It's a fair enough question to ask if someone has boxed. Would you take someone as seriously if they had never played football but offered up opinions on it? I come from a boxing background having fought as an amateur. My father and various uncles boxed as pros.
It's still only an opinion, regardless of how much you fought.

Are you a betting man? Should the fight happen would you be willing to bet £20 with the winnings going to SC?
 

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For the record I boxed myself for 10 years as a kid and Thai boxed for 5 as a young adult - not that I think that qualifies my opinion on the sport and I think it a little insulting to those who haven't to suggest their opinion is less valid as a fan than it would be had they taken part. As for people having to have played football - AVB and Mourhino didn't have a football career as players but that doesn't mean people take them less seriously when it comes to their opinion of the sport (where as Gazza's opinion for example counts for very little even though he was a footballing genius and I doubt many would want to hear what rooney has to say over top non playing pundits etc)

I like Fury - he's an entertaining personality and that's good for boxing as a sport

He's out of his depth against Haye though - different level of quality

Its a massive step up in class - Fury has never fought anyone even close to the level has has.

Haye unified the cruiserwight division and became champion at Heavyweight

Ok he was soundly beaten by Klitscho but that's no indication that fury could do to him what Klitscho did (what possible evidence is there to suggest Fury has anything like that in his locker other than size?)

How powerful is fury? He's a heavyweight with knock out power but where does this "he can knock out anyone at any time" talk come from? he's not a power punching destoyer like Tyson, Foreman and people of that ilk

Haye probably has a higher ko percentage and against higher calibre fighters. Haye is too quick and too powerful and as and when the fight occurs I'd not only be shocked if Fury won I'd be shocked if he went the distance

I hope he puts on a decent show and doesn't get embarassed as domestically Fury would make good match ups and interetsing fights (because of his name and showmanship) for the likes of Price and a rematch with Chisora
 

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Fury doesn't punch his weight really, if anything he lacks power. His jab isn't what it should be for a man of his size, it lacks pop, same as Price in that respect. People often mistake long arms and size for a good jab. Its a decent jab, nothing special.

He has plenty of fight in him though and would go out on his shield. I like Fury a lot to be honest, good personality and seems a nice bloke away fom the fighter image etc getting up from the knockdowns he has suffered so far is a testament to his will but it was against fighters not noted for having power. Haye hits hard and is a great finisher when he has his opponent hurt. Fury had a chance of course, just not a great one. Again its only an opinion obviously. Hopefully we find out at some point!

Haye thought his chances against Wlad were to knock him out. Wait for the opening and use his ( apparent ) superior speed. This was effed up when he realised that once in there Wlad is fast himself, especially in that situation where neither man was really taking the initiative ( often overlooked that Wlad didn't really do much either )
Wlad is a completely different animal to Fury though, he carries real power, has great footwork for his size and is technically better. Much better all round, by a distance.

I don't think Haye would have steamed out against Fury. Don't think fury would have either, but at some point, not too far in, Haye would have tagged him. Fury is too easy to hit for Haye not to land big.

Anyway, its done for the time being.

If Chisora - Fury gets made how do we see it going?
 
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