Harry Kane

[wadewill]

Good points, I'm probably being too universal in my thinking, it would apply to a lot of players

People like Kane and Beckham are outliers.

Thnik I'm just a bit pissed that he is going to leave

 

[jbstarr14]

When i saw his office, I was surprised by the lack of crayons...

Confiscated.

 

[Thenewcat]

I get what you are saying, but Man City are in totally different situation.

We've all got differing opinions on this and mine is all in on if he doesn't sign we have to do everything we can to try and get him out this summer. I think a lot of people are being naïve to how unsettling this will be for the squad come the winter.

A lot has been mentioned as to how Ange needs "full buy in". Kane not signing a new contract means he is not invested in the club long term, which is fine. But if a brave new era is starting, we should not be making exceptions.

That’s all fine but a completely different point to the one I was responding to. The OP was that we should be dropping Kane in January if he stays but hasn’t signed, which would be madness

 

[Thenewcat]

I think the point is you can't drop him. The team is almost certainly better with him than without. But I think the debate revolves around whether keeping him for another year outweighs the potential benefits of selling him this summer and getting used to life without him now.

A lot of people have suggested Kane is the difference between winning and not winning a trophy. For instance, you mentioned Man City winning trophies with Gundogan. But Kane hasn't been the difference between winning and not winning trophies. I'm not saying that's his fault, but it's a fact. Even suggesting Kane is the difference between qualifying for and not qualifying for the Champions League is not right. Since 19/20, with Kane leading the team, we have finished 6th, 7th, 4th and 8th. So even if the Champions League places are expanded to include 5th, we still would have only qualified once since Pochettino left.

I agree we are a better team with Kane. But 'better' might be finishing 6th rather than 9th. 'Better' might be reaching the FA Cup Qs as opposed to being knocked out in the previous round. Then the question is whether that better is better enough when Kane walks on a free. Does that better justify the potential advantages of allowing him to leave the previous summer?

Again that’s a perfectly reasonable argument but not what I was responding to. The OP was that if Kane stays 1) we would building a team around him and 2) we should be dropping him in Jan if he hasn’t resigned. I disagree with the first and the second is ludicrous

 

[mil1lion]

Kane is not a player to look beyond the current season. It's not going to unsettle the team at all if he sees his final year out. More and more players run their contracts down. No good team is worrying about where a player will be next season. Even Germany played a major tournament knowing their manager was off.

 

[MightyModric]

The Times - Harry Kane won’t sign new Tottenham deal and wants Bayern move

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The Times - Harry Kane won’t sign new Tottenham deal and wants Bayern move

Paywall - but the opening lines don't sound like anything new here.

 

[Stamford]

He was never going to sign a new deal. That's not news. The options were always

A) sell him now to Bayern. Get the cash and keep him out of the league
B) keep him this year, lose him for free next year and allow him to have his choice of clubs including our rivals

The idea Ange may convince him or he would have a change of heart is fantasy

 

[heinsmit]

Paywall - but the opening lines don't sound like anything new here.

It says beyond the paywall that he "has no intention" of signing a new deal. That would be new. I know people have been of that view, but to have it stated by journalists would be new no?

Harry Kane will not sign a new contract at Tottenham Hotspur and would be keen to move to Bayern Munich if a deal can be agreed.
The England captain and leading goalscorer has entered the final year of his deal and the German club have had a second offer rejected, worth £68.5 million plus add-ons. Tottenham would want about £100 million, ideally in one up-front payment, to consider selling their record goalscorer, but had hoped that they could persuade him to sign a new deal.
Kane, who will turn 30 next week, will not push to leave Tottenham this summer after his failed attempt to leave for Manchester City in 2021, but he has no intention of extending his stay at the club he joined in 2004. Tottenham have offered him a new contract, which would significantly increase his present wage of almost £300,000 a week, with bonuses.
Tottenham face a difficult decision if Bayern significantly raise their bid. The north London club could use the money to rebuild other parts of the team if they do not want to risk him leaving on a free transfer when his contract expires next summer. Should Kane be sold, Richarlison would be expected to take his place centrally. However, if Tottenham start the campaign poorly and the gamble backfires, it would heap more pressure on the club after they ended last season with fans expressing their anger at an eighth-place finish.
Tottenham also know that Kane enhances their hopes of qualifying for the Champions League, especially given the Premier League could be given five places, instead of the usual four, in 2024-25 under planned reforms to the competition. Two of the four extra places created by the changes will be awarded to the nations that are top of the “country coefficient” chart each season; the Premier League would have been allocated an extra place in six of the past seven seasons. If Tottenham qualify, they could accept Kane exiting for free as he did not cost the club anything, having come through the academy.
Ange Postecoglou, the Tottenham head coach, confirmed that he was planning for Kane to be in his team this season when asked about the forward at a Q&A in Western Australia, where his team are on their pre-season tour. “I certainly hope so,” Postecoglou said. “It’s one of those things where, when you’re in this role, I’ve learnt that you’ve got to deal with the certainties that are before you. If you start thinking about what happens if that happens and that happens, there are too many things that can be floating in the air at any time, [and] you lose focus on what’s the most important thing.
“The most important thing for me right now is to build a team that is going to be successful in the Premier League. If I wait to see what an outcome is before I start that process I’m going to lose valuable time.”

 

[sidford]

The Times - Harry Kane won’t sign new Tottenham deal and wants Bayern move

Tried to put it into archive.is but wouldn't work

 

[Thenewcat]

It says beyond the paywall that he "has no intention" of signing a new deal. That would be new. I know people have been of that view, but to have it stated by journalists would be new no?

And we think The Times know this as opposed to just idly speculating for clicks because?

 

[leray]

If someone believed there was a chance of him signing a new contract (which was reported by Ornstein, for example), then, well, now it seems there's no chance of that.

I don't think we've got much leverage now if we want to squeeze Bayern. It depends if we think that playing him this season will bring us 80+ million in additional revenue or not.

 

[leray]

And we think The Times know this as opposed to just idly speculating for clicks because?

Because Times' revenue doesn't come from clicks.

 

[Thenewcat]

Because Times' revenue doesn't come from clicks.

You pay to read the article, they put this behind the paywall and hope people sign up

 

[robbiedee]

And we think The Times know this as opposed to just idly speculating for clicks because?

I was questioning this as well. I mean Kane is somewhere between Australia and Thailand, probably not speaking to mainstream media here in the UK. Which leaves 1 person to act as a mouthpiece... come on down super agent Charlie!

...more of a ringpiece!

 

[SpartanSpur]

Interesting change of tune here. Previously top journos like Ornstein were saying he's keeping his options open.

Starting to suspect that this has all been agreed some time ago and has been a long drawn out PR game.

Personally I'd still keep him and hope we make enough progress this season to get him considering a new deal. Which is possible if you at least make Chelsea and Utd look like sideways steps. I'd rather take the gamble personally. If there was some unreal attacking talent out there (Thinking in the Salah or Hazard moulds) to bring in with the money then maybe, but there doesn't seem to be many on the market.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Sorry - maybe I am being dense here - but I don't see anything new in that article.

I don't think it is an indication that Kane will never sign another deal with Spurs - just that he won't do it now - which is what I thought we already knew.

 

[heinsmit]

You pay to read the article, they put this behind the paywall and hope people sign up

You have to draw a line at some point between new news and recycling old news. Not everything can be recycled old news. The stories about Kane being 'open minded' etc. were a week ago. This is not that repackaged - this has added incremental information - that the option of him extending is off the table. Whether Gary Jacob has a good source or not is a different question (but incidentally he has been very good and The Times is obviously more reputable than many other papers)

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

If there’s no chance of a new deal we have to sell him.
I’m heartbroken but the full rebuild starts now.

 

[Thenewcat]

You have to draw a line at some point between new news and recycling old news. Not everything can be recycled old news. The stories about Kane being 'open minded' etc. were a week ago. This is not that repackaged - this has added incremental information - that the option of him extending is off the table. Whether Gary Jacob has a good source or not is a different question (but incidentally he has been very good and The Times is obviously more reputable than many other papers)

Has it? Loads of people have written the same thing, and bayern have been telling the world all week. So it comes down to whether you believe Gary Jacob knows something no one else does. I’m leaning towards no