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worcestersauce

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We're going to have a shambolic start to the season and barely any of it will be Ange's fault. Poor guy will get the flak for it as usual though. Won't be long till fans claim he's the problem just like Conte, Mourinho, Poch, AVB etc.

The last few weeks have been utterly criminal in the transfer market, right when our pre-season was already disrupted by the Roma and Leicester friendly upheaval and a new manager.

1 and a half months into the window and only a single player has left the club when we have over 30 players and no European football. It is only one man's fault yet he still gets the benefit of the doubt by some. On top of that, why didn't we set a deadline weeks ago on Kane when Bayern first showed their interest? The incompetence is off the charts. Either take the lower fee now and pay the price for your own fuck up or shut up shop and keep him for the season.
You say one and a half months in and only one out and blaming levy yet Postecoglu said he wanted to look at all our players and assess them himself before any decisions are made plus we've just got back from the preseason tour which is where he proposed to look them over so I question your logic.
I suspect people will leave over the next month including Kane since this is his thread.
 
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lukadownthelane

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You say one and a half months in and only one out and blaming levy yet Postecoglu said he wanted to look at all our players and assess them himself before any decisions are made plus we've just got back from the preseason tour so I question your logic.
I suspect people will leave over the next month including Kane since this is his thread.
He will have done that by now.
 

mabolsa_ritchey

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What? We’re not going to go broke if we don’t, sure.

But we’ll also have about 90m less to spend on players. Players who will last longer than a year and who we might even be able to sell for more than we bought them for!!

That’s a sensible trade IMO
I completely respect this line of thought, but I have zero time for what appears to be a feeling among our fans that Levy holding out for a price he feels Kane is worth so that means we cannot buy a couple of centre backs.
I severely doubt that the haggling going on in the other deals is actually linked to this one, that just feels like classic Levy all over again and he’d probably be doing that with or without the Kane money. Coming out of this window without 2 decent CBs will be absolute negligence on the clubs part.
As for the Kane situation, I absolutely want this resolved as we’re all tired of it. But if Bayern aren’t going to pay up then that is 100% on them.
 

brendanb50

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I completely respect this line of thought, but I have zero time for what appears to be a feeling among our fans that Levy holding out for a price he feels Kane is worth so that means we cannot buy a couple of centre backs.
I severely doubt that the haggling going on in the other deals is actually linked to this one, that just feels like classic Levy all over again and he’d probably be doing that with or without the Kane money. Coming out of this window without 2 decent CBs will be absolute negligence on the clubs part.
As for the Kane situation, I absolutely want this resolved as we’re all tired of it. But if Bayern aren’t going to pay up then that is 100% on them.
Agree with your sentiments but the last sentence is where I’m feeling less bullish. I sort of agree that Bayern need to pay if they want him, but they also have a strong chance of picking him up for free in 12-months. So our negotiating position is far from optimal. It’s (IMO) in our best interests to get a deal done now, so that infers some sort of compromise is logical - on paper at least.
 

Scott Spur

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One thing I’m struggling to believe in all this is Bayern officials flew over here but didn’t up there offer?!
I really can’t see that being true, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Possibly the deal is very close/done but we want some time to wrap up some signings before announcement.
I wouldn’t be surprised in the next few days if we start hearing advanced negotiations/fee agreed for a couple of players.

It’s the flying over but not changing the bid that’s really threw me.
I was thinking the very same thing mate. I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is very close, or a figure has actually been agreed. Wouldn’t be the first time the media has been used to spin a story.

Maybe Short Stuff wants time to see how little he can spend on incomings before they announce the Kane deal….
 

kelloggs

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He has been a wonderful servant and obviously contributed so many goals to our performance during his tenure. However, I just can't get too upset about him leaving it feels like him going ar this exact time is part of the 'painful refresh' we have talked about for years. At some point we need to pivot as team away from what we have become and Ange's methodology seems to be the perfect opportunity to do this.

Having reconciled the fact our record goalscorer is leaving, it then becomes about how he leaves. Almost any other player would probably worry me of it dragged on, but Kane has showed that he will maintain his standards. Therefore it's about value and the replacements.

On the value, we hold the cards. A 25 league goal Kane in an Ange side going well could theoretically put us in the CL frame. Consider the value of a CL revenues, say to QF stage, PL prize money for extra league places. The marketability of our Captain (probably) with shirt sales, sponsorship etc. The England captain nonetheless, then it's not hard to justify, even without centiment, the size of fees we're hearing. That's means we should hold out and squeeze for every penny and play the game of chicken Levy seems to love.

Then we get to the replacements, and this is the part where I think we start to encounter the risks. Given all I have said, we are selling our top goalscorer and figure head, but from a position of strength. Even in a game of chicken that we bottle (how dare I use such a phrase about us), our worst case scenario is we could do a deal for ~£80m. To that end we should look to do some business before in the knowing we have that fall back. The complication is for where.

We need CB desperately, so we should address that 1st., but the risk is we do so and we don't get a deal done for Kane at all. To me this isn't a bad position as we don't need to replace him this year and we have strengthens. So the question is how much do we have to invest separate to Kane. That would seem to be insufficient to buy the two top targets, or is it more complicated?

I think its less about transfer fees and more about squad size and wages. Had we moved Sanchez and Tanganga already for example then surely 1 of the CB targets could be secured (financially). You could then argue the 2nd is ties up in the Kane merry-go-round in terms of viability.

The one positive im hoping is that we have deals well advanced at this stage and we can move quick on the incoming once we get some traction on outgoings. Getting that traction is now critical and for that we might need to use the Kane negotiation to offset some outgoing fee reductions to make things get moving. Am I really haggling for 1 or 2 mil on Sanchez at this stage when I need him out to get that 1st CB in when I can push the Kane deal to the wire and squeeze Bayern for £5m say?

It's a big week now and I'm focused on what is happening on the non-Kane outgoing stuff as this is the key unlocking the squad developments.
 

Styopa

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Maybe I’m being a bit naive, but every club in Europe knows we’re negotiating to sell Kane. So the idea that we could ‘secretly’ spend the proceeds from the sale before announcing the deal doesn’t seem all that convincing to me.

Any club we are negotiating with to buy players can say you’re selling Kane, so we want more, or come back when you have sold Kane etc.
 

Dazzazzad

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I wasn't aware that we tried to learns lessons from how Arsenal approached their stadium rebuild in the years leading up to the investment. However, I believe the amount that we amassed in the years leading up to starting our stadium project was almost as much as Arsenal spent on their stadium in total, so it's really not a like for like comparison.
The unexpected increases to our stadium costs (Brexit impact on value of the pound + the H&S issue that delayed opening and incurred additional construction costs) wiped out the cash reserves that we amassed in the lead up.
What our owners intended as a down payment on the stadium costs ended up being swallowed up by unexpected cost increases / inflation.

Furthermore, if you're going to compare sporting performance during the few seasons leading up to stadium works commencing, you should also compare sporting performance at the time the stadium projects were being planned.
Arsenal was competing for major trophies before they starting planning a new stadium and continued to do so while they progressed their stadium plans. We were a mid-table side when Levy started talking about a new stadium and still a mid-table side when he started progressing plans.
Arsenal performed well during construction and during the lead up to their stadium investment (domestic doubles etc.), but this was broadly in line with their prior sporting performance, during an era when the PL was a two-horse race (with Arsenal being one of those two horses). We improved on our highest ever PL finish four times during our equivalent period, and progressed from a mid-table side that had never qualified for European football through virtue of our PL position to regular European qualification, managing a 2nd place finish + CL final + domestic cup final + multiple cup SFs (i.e. uncharacteristically strong sporting performances compared to our recent history), during an era when the PL was a four-horse race (with us punching above our weight to break up that group that four-horse race on multiple occasions).


Even if our more prudent lead up to the stadium opening hadn't been negated by Brexit and a global pandemic:
We improved our sporting performances during the construction of our stadium, then declined slightly but have continued to surpass our sporting performances prior to the stadium project being planned.
Arsenal sustained their sporting performances during the construction of their stadium, then declined to their worst sporting performances since the early '80s / late '70s.

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Can't winner this post hard enough.
 

Dougal

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Maybe I’m being a bit naive, but every club in Europe knows we’re negotiating to sell Kane. So the idea that we could ‘secretly’ spend the proceeds from the sale before announcing the deal doesn’t seem all that convincing to me.

Any club we are negotiating with to buy players can say you’re selling Kane, so we want more, or come back when you have sold Kane etc.
They can also say ‘you’re Levy and whether you’re selling Kane or not, you won’t pay the asking price so fuck off, have a word with yourself, and come back when you’re ready to play ball’.

Or something along those lines.
 

Trix

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Yep, German sources already suggesting they now want Kane to push more for the move
I can't see it making too much difference to the price. An official transfer request might put a small dent in it but it certainly won't make DL just accept what's on the table. That's simply not how he's wired. He sets a price in his head, be it buying or selling and he's incredibly difficult to shake off it.
 
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BENNO

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Maybe I’m being a bit naive, but every club in Europe knows we’re negotiating to sell Kane. So the idea that we could ‘secretly’ spend the proceeds from the sale before announcing the deal doesn’t seem all that convincing to me.

Any club we are negotiating with to buy players can say you’re selling Kane, so we want more, or come back when you have sold Kane etc.
Agree, i mentioned last week that i'd seen something about the German clubs (i.e Wolfsburg and Leverkusen) *knowing* Bayern were signing Kane, so they were unwilling to negotiate their high demands for their CB's because they knew we'd have plenty of money. No idea if it's true, but it's at least pretty plausible imo.
 

Cel

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They can also say ‘you’re Levy and whether you’re selling Kane or not, you won’t pay the asking price so fuck off, have a word with yourself, and come back when you’re ready to play ball’.

Or something along those lines.
Clubs do that to all English teams anyway. Regardless of Kane, everyone knows EPL clubs are comparatively rich, and hold out for more cash than they would likely do locally. Only got to look at the deals out of Portugal that last couple of years - Enzo Fernandez, Nunez etc, to see English clubs pay that tax, too.
 

DarwinSpur

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"Whose name is Harry Kane...?"

If this is farewell then thank you for all the memories. What a professional - absolutely got the very best out of himself by hard work, belief and dedication.

I do find it slightly odd that he doesn't just wait and run his contract down. He doesn't have to go to Bayern and, frankly, they aren't big enough for him - stupid tin pot league they play in.

Hopefully he puts the Gooners out of CL
 

stewartd

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Berating Bayern for haggling over Kane’s price at the same time as we are haggling over the price of our targets is a bit rich.
Is it rreally. When you come to selling your house you will haggle to get as much as possible. When you buy your new house you will haggle to pay as little as possible. That economics. However you have to be careful in case someone else comes in and buys your new house whilst you were haggling.
 

FibreOpticJesus

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Berating Bayern for haggling over Kane’s price at the same time as we are haggling over the price of our targets is a bit rich.
None of us know the actual price that Bayern have offered. However, figures are starting to appear saying £65m. They are time wasting and so called bullies. Are you happy to sell him for that? If you had an asset worth £100+m to Bayern would you just sell? All the quality attacking targets we are after will cost more than that.
 
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