Harry Kane

[yiddopaul]

looks like vlahovic might be off to chelsea, so that option for a kane replacement seems gone

But but but that can't be right. Players of quality only want to play for CL teams, it ain't about the money...

 

[yiddopaul]

A year left on contract and he is much older.

Doesn't matter. One of the best players in world football. He's worth that to us. If they want to risk trying to get him on a free but he chooses somewhere else, then they need to pay up.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

They're Bayern. They qualify for the Champions League every season, have bags of money and if it were me I would set a deadline for 3 days time and say that's it and risk losing him for nothing next year. Once again 1 player is dismantling our preparations going into a season. Berbatov, Modric, Bale, we've had it knock us back for a season far too often.

12 days until the season starts. Once it's into single digit days no calls to be answered and mean it.

Early summer buzz gone with a really poor 3 week showing of intent. I'm sick of money being the most important thing at the club, it's killing us from the inside out.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Well if we're going to approach it like then perhaps we should include what happened for each club prior to the stadium being built, considering that the way we approached it was sold as learning from the mistakes Arsenal made and so we chose to tighten in the years leading to the stadium and sacrifice competing because short term sacrifice was worth it for what came after.

However based on your interpretation of events I guess we are ignoring the difference in approach prior to the stadium and therefore we can include what each team was achieving prior to their stadiums being open. So add to your list:

Two League and F.A cup doubles including a league campaign going unbeaten
An additional league win
Two additional F.A cups

I wasn't aware that we tried to learns lessons from how Arsenal approached their stadium rebuild in the years leading up to the investment. However, I believe the amount that we amassed in the years leading up to starting our stadium project was almost as much as Arsenal spent on their stadium in total, so it's really not a like for like comparison.
The unexpected increases to our stadium costs (Brexit impact on value of the pound + the H&S issue that delayed opening and incurred additional construction costs) wiped out the cash reserves that we amassed in the lead up.
What our owners intended as a down payment on the stadium costs ended up being swallowed up by unexpected cost increases / inflation.

Furthermore, if you're going to compare sporting performance during the few seasons leading up to stadium works commencing, you should also compare sporting performance at the time the stadium projects were being planned.
Arsenal was competing for major trophies before they starting planning a new stadium and continued to do so while they progressed their stadium plans. We were a mid-table side when Levy started talking about a new stadium and still a mid-table side when he started progressing plans.
Arsenal performed well during construction and during the lead up to their stadium investment (domestic doubles etc.), but this was broadly in line with their prior sporting performance, during an era when the PL was a two-horse race (with Arsenal being one of those two horses). We improved on our highest ever PL finish four times during our equivalent period, and progressed from a mid-table side that had never qualified for European football through virtue of our PL position to regular European qualification, managing a 2nd place finish + CL final + domestic cup final + multiple cup SFs (i.e. uncharacteristically strong sporting performances compared to our recent history), during an era when the PL was a four-horse race (with us punching above our weight to break up that group that four-horse race on multiple occasions).

So no, I don't think if we achieve your list we have exceeded expectations because it failed to acknowledge lead up to the stadium opening and the stadium's bearing on such factors.

Even if our more prudent lead up to the stadium opening hadn't been negated by Brexit and a global pandemic:
We improved our sporting performances during the construction of our stadium, then declined slightly but have continued to surpass our sporting performances prior to the stadium project being planned.
Arsenal sustained their sporting performances during the construction of their stadium, then declined to their worst sporting performances since the early '80s / late '70s.

 

[DenverSpur]

Exactly - people seem to believe what they want. The reality is that we've just spent REALLY badly. And it's cost us.

It's the quality of players that's been the issue - and we now can't even shift them

It’s not just the quality of players it’s also the lack of a cohesive plan. We’re not buying players when and where we need them.

 

[rawhide]

It’s not just the quality of players it’s also the lack of a cohesive plan. We’re not buying players when and where we need them.

Our transfer strategy is nonexistent. We go for cut price and short term.

I’ve said it before, it’s the equivalent of going into Tescos for a loaf of bread and coming out with some lychees because they were on offer. We then have to explain why the manager can’t have beans on toast.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

One thing I’m struggling to believe in all this is Bayern officials flew over here but didn’t up there offer?!
I really can’t see that being true, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Possibly the deal is very close/done but we want some time to wrap up some signings before announcement.
I wouldn’t be surprised in the next few days if we start hearing advanced negotiations/fee agreed for a couple of players.

It’s the flying over but not changing the bid that’s really threw me.

 

[Derryank]

Munn? Who's he ....?

 

[DenverSpur]

Has to be given a proper send off in the stadium. Bring him on with 5 minutes to go, not worth risking a major deal with an injury.

Why do we want to see a player who doesn’t want to play for us any more?What if the majority think a proper send off is to boo him for deserting us?

 

[yiddopaul]

It’s not just the quality of players it’s also the lack of a cohesive plan. We’re not buying players when and where we need them.

I'm not sure I agree with that, at least not this window anyway. We needed a new keeper... check, needed a creative lock picker in midfield... check, need two centre backs... we're clearly pursuing them and will, I'm sure, get them. In fact, this is the first window i can remember where we have/are addressing all the areas that need it. My biggest problem with us is that we are one of the richest clubs on the planet, yet we still need to sell to buy.

 

[tez1503]

At this point it really just doesn't add up for me. In my twisted mind I've already made up that they've agreed on a price but Levy would go so far out of the way to say that they have to take a little bit of beating in the media if they want to get this done lol. Why in the world would they fly over, would Levy agree to meet, and for their reporters to still say it's positive. But what do I know lol

If you remember Bale era I remember a bunch of signings popping up, a few rumors of there's a chance we keep Bale and we invest in the squad around him - then off he went lol

I’m in agreement with you. It seems strange that BM would come over to be sent packing back to Germany and still be £25M short on valuation.
I think the deal was potentially agreed today, to be finalized on deadline day. That allows us to spend the money now without the sellers inflating prices, as it looks like it’s insurmountable a value for BM to meet.

deal was done today I feel…

 

[smallsnc]

Pay up or fuck off. Not exactly showing Kane they desperately want him at this stage.

Maybe because they are not desperate. They will win the league without Kane. He is needed for CL. If he misses the first couple of league matches, they won't care. Levy is on the hot seat and they know it. They have a couple of weeks to offer 100M. Why should they do it now.

 

[DenverSpur]

Sounds about right.

Reckon they swanned into town expecting to ultimately get their own way.

Problem is , it's us that suffers if this rumbles on. Also really worrys me that if H stays , from January onwards, every press conference becomes about him again.

Just make it clear if any journalist brings up the subject you withdraw their accreditation.

 

[cliff jones]

Wait, did people think the “public” news out of this meeting was going to be a deal agreed? That was never going to happen.

no

 

[SpursSince1980]

Maybe because they are not desperate. They will win the league without Kane. He is needed for CL. If he misses the first couple of league matches, they won't care. Levy is on the hot seat and they know it. They have a couple of weeks to offer 100M. Why should they do it now.

It’s still risky. They can’t be that arrogant to believe they can string Levy along. Based on Baldy’s history, I certainly wouldn’t put all my eggs into that negotiating basket.

 

[ravo]

Flying somewhere twice in a month to sign a player & coming up well short both times & multiple offers in between is absolutely laughable. Please get serious Bayern. Put up the money or fuck off.

Yeah, I agree - they're behaving like fucking Tott... oh.

 

[he is you know!]

But they said there was 150 to spend and Ally G keeps going on about the spare 50m being sat somewhere.

I mean, they proudly announced it as being 150m, so where did 97m come from?

The initial briefing also said that the not all the money would be allocated to transfers.

This bit seemed to get lost in the mix for many on here, probably wouldn't have if they had been more specific about the allocation though.

 

[JacoZA]

Out of interest, for a meeting like this - who from our side would be in the room and who would be kept in the loop after? Ex. Daniel would be in the room, but Ange would not. He’d be updated afterwards though. Who else though?

 

[Silky Skills]

I started supporting Spurs in the 80s when we had Hoddle, then we had Gascoigne and you know what .................. Maddison excites me, Kane has been brilliant but despite the goals last year he was nowhere near as effective as the season before and he is a glass ankle away from being out for six months - we need to move on, he needs to leave and we need to rebuild

 

[matty74]

I started supporting Spurs in the 80s when we had Hoddle, then we had Gascoigne and you know what .................. Maddison excites me, Kane has been brilliant but despite the goals last year he was nowhere near as effective as the season before and he is a glass ankle away from being out for six months - we need to move on, he needs to leave and we need to rebuild

He hasn’t had ankle issues for 3 years so that particular theory about him having glass ankles has died of death