Gold Cup 2021

[cwy21]

There's been that classic American soccer statement for 30 years now, which goes imagine if our best basketball and American football players played soccer instead. Dike seems like one of those players who would have been a defensive end or linebacker had he played football, but instead he's a striker.

 

[fortworthspur]

lets go Qatar...

 

[taidgh]

lets go Qatar...

why? i find it hard to shout for any oil state.

but they've had a great start to this game.

 

[fortworthspur]

Pedro starting for Qatar

 

[fortworthspur]

why? i find it hard to shout for any oil state.

but they've had a great start to this game.

I dunno, to make an otherwise boring tournament a little bit fun. Dont care about the US. Mexico is consistently the best in the federation but they kind of suck, too.

 

[taidgh]

I dunno, to make an otherwise boring tournament a little bit fun. Dont care about the US. Mexico is consistently the best in the federation but they kind of suck, too.

okay. i'd much rather el salvador or one of the other smaller countries go through than state-sponsored qatar.

 

[fortworthspur]

okay. i'd much rather el salvador or one of the other smaller countries go through than state-sponsored qatar.

you dont get much smaller than Qatar and they're basically British. I like El Salvador and Honduras. We used to travel in CA often, usually Nicaragua. Baseball is their national sport. They suck at football but every town has a nice baseball stadium.

 

[fortworthspur]

hehe, 2 goals in 3 minutes for El Salvador and its game on with 25 minutes left.

 

[taidgh]

you dont get much smaller than Qatar and they're basically British. I like El Salvador and Honduras. We used to travel in CA often, usually Nicaragua. Baseball is their national sport. They suck at football but every town has a nice baseball stadium.

yeah, but it's qatar. they've bought their success, just like they bought their world cup.

judging by your posts, you're pretty knowledgeable on football matters, so you no doubt know all this already. But this article sums it all up pretty succinctly for me.

Qatar Is the Best Soccer Team in Asia … but at What Price?

In 2010, Qatar was named host of the 2022 World Cup. Since then stories of corruption and modern slavery have clouded their preparations. So how do we reckon with the country’s Asian Cup triumph and its rising stock on the pitch?

www.theringer.com

 

[fortworthspur]

yeah, but it's qatar. they've bought their success, just like they bought their world cup.

judging by your posts, you're pretty knowledgeable on football matters, so you no doubt know all this already. But this article sums it all up pretty succinctly for me.

Qatar Is the Best Soccer Team in Asia … but at What Price?

In 2010, Qatar was named host of the 2022 World Cup. Since then stories of corruption and modern slavery have clouded their preparations. So how do we reckon with the country’s Asian Cup triumph and its rising stock on the pitch?

www.theringer.com

yeah they bought the world cup. dont know how that diminishes their Asian cup win.

 

[fortworthspur]

btw, Qatar is only 40% Arab. Its 36% indian/pakistani. Who do you think taught them about indentured servants?

 

[taidgh]

yeah they bought the world cup. dont know how that diminishes their Asian cup win.

They imported players for years. I have no respect for any accomplishment they may have 'won'.

As I said, I will never support an oil state that has tried to by their way to prominence on the backs of thousands of indentured servants.

Not trying to change your mind, just would much rather see the likes of ecuador or el salvador win.

 

[fortworthspur]

They imported players for years. I have no respect for any accomplishment they may have 'won'.

As I said, I will never support an oil state that has tried to by their way to prominence on the backs of thousands of indentured servants.

Not trying to change your mind, just would much rather see the likes of ecuador or el salvador win.

they had 5 dual nationals in a squad of 23, which is a lot, but legal.

 

[taidgh]

they had 5 dual nationals in a squad of 23, which is a lot, but legal.

U.A.E. Accuses Qatar of Fielding Ineligible Players at Asian Cup (Published 2019)

Beaten on the field by Qatar, the United Arab Emirates has asked Asian Cup organizers to investigate its rival’s leading scorer, Almoez Ali, and another player.

www.nytimes.com

Salient point:

Qatar has been trawling the world for talent for years in preparation for the 2022 World Cup, embarking on perhaps the most extensive talent identification program in history, one that involved the creation of training programs for youngsters from Africa and an academy for the best prospects in Doha.​

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Salient point: Five years ago Qatar fielded up 11 foreign born players with no previous links to the country.

Qatar basically bought African and Asian talent and brought them over young to make their program strong and invested huge amounts of money in development programs, and are now reaping the benefits since those players are eligible under FIFA rules and the development programs are in full swing. That 'attracting' foreign players was allowed under rules at the time is just as damning of FIFA as it is Qatar. And as Qatari money is built on the skeletons of labourers from poor countries, I can never hope they win anything.

 

[fortworthspur]

U.A.E. Accuses Qatar of Fielding Ineligible Players at Asian Cup (Published 2019)

Beaten on the field by Qatar, the United Arab Emirates has asked Asian Cup organizers to investigate its rival’s leading scorer, Almoez Ali, and another player.

www.nytimes.com

Salient point:

Qatar has been trawling the world for talent for years in preparation for the 2022 World Cup, embarking on perhaps the most extensive talent identification program in history, one that involved the creation of training programs for youngsters from Africa and an academy for the best prospects in Doha.​

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Salient point: Five years ago Qatar fielded up 11 foreign born players with no previous links to the country.

Qatar basically bought African and Asian talent and brought them over young to make their program strong and invested huge amounts of money in development programs, and are now reaping the benefits since those players are eligible under FIFA rules and the development programs are in full swing. That 'attracting' foreign players was allowed under rules at the time is just as damning of FIFA as it is Qatar. And as Qatari money is built on the skeletons of labourers from poor countries, I can never hope they win anything.

1. UAE said that - the final arbiter AFC disagreed.
2. that article refers to the 2014 team, the 2019 Asian Cup team had 5.
3. Raheem Sterling should be playing for Jamaica!

Qatari money derives from the oil under the ground. The biggest abuse of migrant workers is payment abuses which is bad but its not just Qatar, its the Nepali government too and quite frankly loads of western companies building all these venues and hotels. Its difficult to know how many migrants died directly from the World Cup projects because Qatar has always had a huge migrant wprker population so when the Guardian says "X workers have died because of the World Cup" they mean X workers have died since the Cup was awarded whether working on a stadium or having a heart attack sitting on the toilet. The annual death rate in Nepal is 6 per 1000. There are 2 million migrant workers in Qatar. Thats 12,000 deaths in Qatar annually, although they situations arent equal.

 

[fortworthspur]

put another way, the migrant worker population in Qatar has had an annual death rate of 0.3 per 1000 if the Guardian story is accurate. Thats far better than any western European country or the US. I understand its a younger population, but there are going to be deaths with or without the world cup.

 

[fortworthspur]

anyway, on to Mexico-Honduras. Will Mexico get in trouble for its fans shouting homophobic insults every time the goalkeeper kicks it?

 

[taidgh]

1. UAE said that - the final arbiter AFC disagreed.
2. that article refers to the 2014 team, the 2019 Asian Cup team had 5.
3. Raheem Sterling should be playing for Jamaica!

Qatari money derives from the oil under the ground. The biggest abuse of migrant workers is payment abuses which is bad but its not just Qatar, its the Nepali government too and quite frankly loads of western companies building all these venues and hotels. Its difficult to know how many migrants died directly from the World Cup projects because Qatar has always had a huge migrant wprker population so when the Guardian says "X workers have died because of the World Cup" they mean X workers have died since the Cup was awarded whether working on a stadium or having a heart attack sitting on the toilet. The annual death rate in Nepal is 6 per 1000. There are 2 million migrant workers in Qatar. Thats 12,000 deaths in Qatar annually, although they situations arent equal.

Right. I'm sure most of them were sitting on the toilet. A bit disingenuous there. Definite blame to be shared around, but the fact remains that migrant workers get their passport taken away by their employers upon arrival. That equates to indentured servitude. State sponsored indentured servitude, and as you pointed out, this has been going on a long, long time. I have friends who lived/are living there, and they paint a fairly grim picture of how life is for these workers.

And to your points:

1. The players should've been ineligible under rules at the time. Curiously, FIFA also said nothing. I'm sure this had nothing to do with them being awarded the World Cup. This was big news (in Asia) at the time.
2. As I said, they laid the foundation for their current success with past practices.
3. Why? He moved to England aged 2. And not under some scheme to attract talented footballers. He was only eligible to play for England early as the home nations petitioned FIFA.

As I said, if you want to support Qatar, work away - I'm not trying to stop you. I take no pleasure in seeing their football team succeed and am wholly against the World Cup being held there (though I'll probably watch because I'm a football whore).

 

[taidgh]

anyway, on to Mexico-Honduras. Will Mexico get in trouble for its fans shouting homophobic insults every time the goalkeeper kicks it?

Like last time, they'll get two warnings and then the referee will develop a sudden case of selective deafness. CONCACAF doesn't have the balls to follow through and actually suspend a match.

 

[fortworthspur]

Right. I'm sure most of them were sitting on the toilet. A bit disingenuous there. Definite blame to be shared around, but the fact remains that migrant workers get their passport taken away by their employers upon arrival. That equates to indentured servitude. State sponsored indentured servitude, and as you pointed out, this has been going on a long, long time. I have friends who lived/are living there, and they paint a fairly grim picture of how life is for these workers.

And to your points:

1. The players should've been ineligible under rules at the time. Curiously, FIFA also said nothing. I'm sure this had nothing to do with them being awarded the World Cup. This was big news (in Asia) at the time.
2. As I said, they laid the foundation for their current success with past practices.
3. Why? He moved to England aged 2. And not under some scheme to attract talented footballers. He was only eligible to play for England early as the home nations petitioned FIFA.

As I said, if you want to support Qatar, work away - I'm not trying to stop you. I take no pleasure in seeing their football team succeed and am wholly against the World Cup being held there (though I'll probably watch because I'm a football whore).

no the Guardian was being disingenuous. Seriously, the migrant worker death rate in Qatar is 1 in 333 per year according to them. What should it be? Thats about the same death rate for men aged 45-50 in the US and UK. Whats the average age of a migrant worker in Qatar?