Finally a brave defender

[Seanson]

You having a "woody" over him after only one game? I think your assessment is weighted with bias.

In my opinion King and Dawson (although not as good as woody) have done the same over and over again, so "dising" them the way you are makes me wonder what type of supporter you are.

I wonder if you will start another thread when he shies from his first ball. Yes he is brave alright, ask that innocent bloke that he and his friends messed up but got away with on a technicality. I would like to call you something but the last time I did I was warned.......... but there you go.

In no way have I been "dising" our defenders. Highlighting that some of them so not show bravery in electing to turn away from a shot instead of closing down the ball isn't disrespecting them it's telling it straight. King is a legend, and top class. However few would argue that Dawson is top class. He's a great lad, needs guidance from the likes of King, usually bravery and determined but in more than one or two crucial occasions he has shied away instead of confronting the striker and ball. What Woodgate may, or may not, have done in the distant past is no concern to me, what he does now as a Spurs player does. And after a season where Spurs have had one of the worst defenses in the Premiership, any Spurs fan should have a "woody" over the signing of top class defenders. Especially with a League Cup Final and a UEFA Cup to win. So there :shake:!

COYS.

 

[Bonjour]

Of course, so Dawson's a pussyo..

 

[TheBigMatch]

One little thing I noticed was that when someone had a shot against us, and it was past Woodgate, he would turn and run towards goal. Our other defenders usually just stand still and watch the ball, which has cost us several goals that have been blamed on Robbo because he's parried it and no defender has helped him out by getting there before a striker and clearing it. It looks as though Woodgate will do this though, so hopefully our other defenders will learn from this.

For an example, in our FA Cup game against Reading at White Hart Lane, Hunt scored his second goal after Robbo parried a shot wide and Hunt got there long before any defender was even in site to slot the ball into the back of the net. I don't blame Robbo for that goal at all, I blame the defenders, and as such hopefully we can eradicate that now if Woodgate will help our other defenders learn to always get to the ball first.

I mustn't be well.

I'll have to have a cup of coffee or something.

But....:stupid:............ I agree with Flatters.


I wonder what Hutton and Gilberto will be like.

Hopefully not too many nil all draws now that we only have Keane and Berbatov up front.

 

[Flatters]

I mustn't be well.

I'll have to have a cup of coffee or something.

But....:stupid:............ I agree with Flatters.


I wonder what Hutton and Gilberto will be like.

Hopefully not too many nil all draws now that we only have Keane and Berbatov up front.

:think:

I don't even know who you are, but :up:.

 

[AngerManagement]

My enthusiasm over Woodgate is also tempered by the Asian student incident. I know it was a long time ago and he was a lot younger, but it's difficult to really like a player with that sort of thing in his past. If he'd received punishment for it, then I'd say it's in the past and finished, but he didn't.

If Lee Bowyer ever played for Spurs (not going to happen, just hypothetically speaking), then I wouldn't be able to drum up much enthusiasm for him either.

It's very difficult, because by all accounts Woodgate really is an excellent player, and he is a Spurs player and I do want to support him as fully as any other, but there will always be that incident niggling at the back of my mind.

Still, it's in the past. Maybe I should just look to the future.

Ok, firstly your right it was a long time ago and he was much younger. How long should one bare a grudge with someone over an incident?

Secondly, I certainly dont know all the details involved (im not sure if you do although im assuming not). He was charge with affray (nothing racially motivated) personally I dont think the fact that he was of Pakistani origin should even be a factor if the attack was not racially motivated.

Also do we know the events that lead up to the attack? it was in an alchohol fuel enviroment, I would imagion that the would have been a certain level of provication by said student that lead to the incident (I doubt he was merely attacked randomly by the famous footballers)

Much public opinion was effected by the 10 year old school pictures released of the student depicting him as young and innocent (to further shock the public about the attack).

Obviously it is no excuse and by no means should Woodgate have stamped on his chest while he was clearly no threat, but personally I dont believe for a second he/they were not abused at least verbally before the attack and provoked into the actions.

As I say im not condoning what occured, but we have all been in such enviroments and circumstances and as such can releate to some extent im sure.

Also there have been numerous other skirmishes involving footballers, but the spotlight was not on the to the same extent because the race aspect was not brought into the equation and school pictures of the now considerable older victium were not released. (Anton Ferdinand etc)

As I said I dont know all the details, but I really feel this incident is in his past and he should not continue to be held accountable for it, there have been no futher discrepancies involving Woodgate (unlike BArton for example)

As Spurs fans I think we should give him a clean slate and give him our full support as we would any other Spurs player, hopefully he can be a key part of our future and help take us to the next level.

 

[paul_m2k5]

I thought Woodgate was outstanding in defence against Everton.He is a leader which is what we need when Ledders and Dawson are not playing.:clap:

 

[AngerManagement]

I thought Woodgate was outstanding in defence against Everton.He is a leader which is what we need when Ledders and Dawson are not playing.:clap:

Even when Dawson is playing, he is by no means a leader (currently imo) as for Dawson being brave Im not so sure (he seems to turn his back on shots alot for a braveheart)

 

[paul_m2k5]

Even when Dawson is playing, he is by no means a leader (currently imo) as for Dawson being brave Im not so sure (he seems to turn his back on shots alot for a braveheart)

Fair Point Mate.
Obviously Dawson plays better when King is playing.
But he is still young and has has the potential to be a future captain.

 

[Bulletspur]

In no way have I been "dising" our defenders. Highlighting that some of them so not show bravery in electing to turn away from a shot instead of closing down the ball isn't disrespecting them it's telling it straight. King is a legend, and top class. However few would argue that Dawson is top class. He's a great lad, needs guidance from the likes of King, usually bravery and determined but in more than one or two crucial occasions he has shied away instead of confronting the striker and ball. What Woodgate may, or may not, have done in the distant past is no concern to me, what he does now as a Spurs player does. And after a season where Spurs have had one of the worst defenses in the Premiership, any Spurs fan should have a "woody" over the signing of top class defenders. Especially with a League Cup Final and a UEFA Cup to win. So there :shake:!

COYS.

I am not disputing that Woody isnt a good buy but dont go overtop after one game. And yes by the title and wording of your thread you were dissing our other defenders by implication, no matter how you want to spin it now.

Not caring what he may have done in the past sums you up really.

 

[eViL]

Dawson just ain't up for a fight like he used to be..

People still go on what he was doing three years ago. Try watching a few games THIS SEASON.

If you watch him closely, usually the mistakes he makes are due to him bracing for MY FRIEND PAAAAIIINN!!!!

He needs some time with Mr T and the rest of the A-Team.

 

[SpurSince57]

Not so much that, but he often seems to stand there with that 'Duh, what do I do now?' expression instead of getting in and closing down. The classic was against Riise last season. He had ample time to act, but just seemed to be admiring the technique. And it's not as if you don't know that Riise is going to have a pop from that range given half a chance.

The Hudd did something very similar against Rochemback in the CC game. Fortunately the shot was a poor one and Robbo dealt with it easily, but it could easily have been very different.

 

[Seanson]

I am not disputing that Woody isnt a good buy but dont go overtop after one game. And yes by the title and wording of your thread you were dissing our other defenders by implication, no matter how you want to spin it now.

Not caring what he may have done in the past sums you up really.

Woodgate doesn't need my forgiveness for what he may or may not have done in the past. I don't know the man except for what he does for Spurs. Outside of Spurs his life is not mine to judge. You however may feel that he should require your forgiveness, you may think that his life outside of Spurs is your business, you may feel that you have the right to judge him for what he may or may not have done outside of Spurs. For all you know he may have asked the relevant people for forgiveness and received it. Either which way, it's none of my concern

I'm just glad he is nor a Spurs, has the look of a very very good defender, and yes that he had another very good game. looking forward to see him alongside King.