Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[FinnYid]

Yea cause we have wasted money on players that aren’t right! No plan, just buying players because Levy thinks he’s got a good deal. Then to top of the cycle he wants top dollar for players who are not up to it and we get stuck with them, year on year.

Well you keep picking wrong kind of managers for all the wrong reasons, wrong players for given manager on helm are likely to pile up.

 

[FinnYid]

Absolute nonsense to imply Arteta has done this on limited resources, aside from transfers the players they let go were huge losses.

So he has done this with unlimited resources? Or even resources on par with Manchester teams, Pool and Chelsea?

 

[Scot-Spur]

Well you keep picking wrong kind of managers for all the wrong reasons, wrong players for given manager on helm are likely to pile up.

This manger or that manager it doesn’t bloody matter. Mourinho, Conte and Poch all different types of managers have said the same thing. Yet here we are with the same core of players. Let’s have a think what the common denominator is apart from said players… surely even you can work that out.

 

[mil1lion]

We’re getting bossed most weeks in midfield, struggle to keep clean sheets, rarely dominate teams any more. He doesn’t change anything, just complains. All that money for a coach who can only play one system.

So you do think he can do better with this team then? OK fair enough

 

[wspur]

So you do think he can do better with this team then? OK fair enough

I think he can do better than being shit every week. Even when we win we are shit. How can you say that's acceptable?

 

[G Ron]

Well the card is that neither them or us are capable of having wage budget on par with Manchester teams or even Liverpool. It's a given fact that many don't seem to want to admit.

Eh? You referenced our wage bill being higher than Arsenals which it hasn’t been for as long as I can remember (until now) and I explained the reason why.

Success on the pitch would enable us to. Not paying severance pay to managers every 18 months would help. Spunking money on multiple £10M / £15M / £20M player punts rather than spending on proven quality would also help. We have everything else in place with the stadium revenues, all that’s missing is success on the pitch, which grows the brand, increases the fan base etc. But no, we have no interest in that, top 4 is as good as it gets for us in the eyes of the board.

 

[Nebby]

So we get a coach who can play ten systems. Would that make you happy?

Because one system, three systems or ten systems, name me a coach Levy can hire who will take how this club is run, work under Levy and the conditions thereof and produce a winning team. This club takes fucking good managers, ruins their reputations or records and spits them out again.

And whoever the next patsy is, the net result will be exactly the same only the complaint about that coach will be a different one and tailored to suit and we'll want another one out.

And once more, Levy will be put in his cot and allowed to sleep an undisturbed and happy sleep, this club needs a reset from top to bottom and until that happens all this manager stuff? I just can't see what's going to change. This one, the next one or the one after.

I'm going to actively and fucking ferociously want the next manager out as soon as he arrives. Fuck it, why waste time

I’ll settle for a coach who doesn’t behave like a stubborn child and demonstrates an ability to create a system that suits the players he has, not the players he wants.

 

[God&Texas]

We have unsuitable "serial winner" yet again as we are desperate for trophies. Arsenal went for "be the best you can on given and limited resources" and it is now paying dividends and pissess all over this Santini, Ramos, Mourinho, Conte route where you hire "winners" to bring trophies with no longer term plan, strategy, philosophy, nothing. Just eye on the trophy. Which is blatantly wrong route on our resources.

This to me is the crux and just completely unacceptable. Having a coherent philosophy tied to a long term plan is not just a football thing, it's not even unique to sport. For all his myriad faults, Levy is purported to at least be a competent businessman. There is no industry where this scattershot approach that changes with the wind would be successful. Until it changes, the current disarray will only be interrupted shortly by periods we accidentally fall into relative success.

That Conte doesn't seemingly fit in any structure that matches the culture and financial status of the club needs to be addressed as well but is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic until larger changes are implemented.

 

[Scot-Spur]

I’ll settle for a coach who doesn’t behave like a stubborn child and demonstrates an ability to create a system that suits the players he has, not the players he wants.

Maybe said coach will be the reason this something gives and we can move forward from this mediocrity.

 

[FinnYid]

Eh? You referenced our wage bill being higher than Arsenals which it hasn’t been for as long as I can remember (until now) and I explained the reassign why.

Well it is now and they are way above us.

Success on the pitch would enable us to. Not paying severance pay to managers every 18 months would help. Spunking money on multiple £10M / £15M / £20M player punts rather than spending on proven quality would also help. We have everything else in place with the stadium revenues, all that’s missing is success on the pitch m, which grows the brand, increases the fan base etc. But no, we have no interest in that, too 4 is as good as it gets for us in the eyes of the board.

What we have now is set up that would enable us to at some point win something if we weren't fixated on it and instead tried to be best we can on our limitations. That's what Arsenal have done in environment where they can't pay the wages of Manchester teams or Chelsea or Pool.

 

[Nebby]

Maybe said coach will be the reason this something gives and we can move forward from this mediocrity.

For £15m a year you kinda hope for more.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Sad that when things turn to shit everyone feels the need to snipe at each other. It’s shit - we can all agree on that. We have no power to change it.

We can protest against Levy and the ownership - we might disagree on how effective that will be but I don’t think anyone is against it on principle. Re Conte, whether he would succeed here with a much bigger budget and a lot more freedom on transfers is kind of irrelevant because he’s not gonna get either unless the club is sold.

 

[only1waddle]

So he has done this with unlimited resources? Or even resources on par with Manchester teams, Pool and Chelsea?

Now you've gone to the extreme of unlimited resources, come on man, meet in the middle here, I'm saying he's spent a fair old whack and that includes some seriously heavy hits on players he wanted gone.

 

[Scot-Spur]

For £15m a year you kinda hope for more.

I don’t care what results we get in the short term if it is beneficial and we get a solid structure and vision going forward. This cycle has run its course, this is the culmination of years of stagnation.

 

[only1waddle]

I’ll settle for a coach who doesn’t behave like a stubborn child and demonstrates an ability to create a system that suits the players he has, not the players he wants.

Then that's on Levy, because Conte hasn't radically changed his approach in the time he's managed and won things with his proven winning system, that's what interviews and research are for.
That's negligent recruitment if he didn't learn the lesson from Jose.

 

[olliec]

I’ll settle for a coach who doesn’t behave like a stubborn child and demonstrates an ability to create a system that suits the players he has, not the players he wants.

You think Conte adapting, and playing to the players strength will make a difference. You think sessegnon dier and Davies would work better in a different system? You’re having a laugh mate!

 

[dobbo22]

So you do think he can do better with this team then? OK fair enough

He’s not saying do better he is saying change something…523 isn’t working clearly, so mix it up or at least try! If you was at work and something wasn’t working you wouldn’t just keep doing the same thing would you… if yes you are a moron.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I’ll settle for a coach who doesn’t behave like a stubborn child and demonstrates an ability to create a system that suits the players he has, not the players he wants.

And when you get that, some other reason will crop up to want rid because this club is fucking rotten. If Levy stays in charge, it wouldn't surprise me if we end up fighting for 7th or even 8th spot if we're lucky.

United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle.................Anyone here be surprised if that were to be the top 6 next year?

We've gone from future's bright to the future's shite

Fuck getting rid of Conte, but in all honesty, I don't care, anyone can have the job, but until this club is fumigated, we're fucked.

 

[only1waddle]

Maybe said coach will be the reason this something gives and we can move forward from this mediocrity.

I'd love a Rangnick situation, dropped a few truth bombs and Utd have got their house in order.

 

[RuskyM]

You think Conte adapting, and playing to the players strength will make a difference. You think sessegnon dier and Davies would work better in a different system? You’re having a laugh mate!

Why were they working well at the end of last season?

And the argument of “he’s not got the players” doesn’t explain the dramatic decline of players we know are that good: Son, Hugo, I’d include Bissouma in that too.