Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[FinnYid]

United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle.................Anyone here be surprised if that were to be the top 6 next year?

Could easily be, however if Howe can get his side of today to top 4, don't think it is impossible for our next coach to reach top 6 with or without Kane.

 

[rossdapep]

Then that's on Levy, because Conte hasn't radically changed his approach in the time he's managed and won things with his proven winning system, that's what interviews and research are for.
That's negligent recruitment if he didn't learn the lesson from Jose.

Exactly!!!

You hire Conte - YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GETTING

 

[olliec]

It’s shocking how far we have fallen. The recruitment has been so bad Par bentancour and kulu, and the manager choice also. We could have had ten hag and been onto build something, but we went with nuno. The reason why arsenal are flying is because they kept the squad fresh and updated. We are still playing Dier, Davies, Lloris and Sessegnon first team. Blame solely lies at the feet of the bald one.

 

[only1waddle]

Why were they working well at the end of last season?

And the argument of “he’s not got the players” doesn’t explain the dramatic decline of players we know are that good: Son, Hugo, I’d include Bissouma in that too.

Hugo has always been error prone, I think the defence being shaky makes him more nervous myself.
I genuinely think some of them got that "it's Conte" new manager bounce last season and stepped up a gear to impress him, I'd agree the football isn't the most exciting and is a part of the problem.
Son, it might be his time, ala Stevie G, literally off a cliff legs wise, who knows.
Bissouma I agree with.

 

[tony0379]

Ex

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Skirted egg, bullshitting ****

 

[rossdapep]

And when you get that, some other reason will crop up to want rid because this club is fucking rotten. If Levy stays in charge, it wouldn't surprise me if we end up fighting for 7th or even 8th spot if we're lucky.

United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle.................Anyone here be surprised if that were to be the top 6 next year?

We've gone from future's bright to the future's shite

Fuck getting rid of Conte, but in all honesty, I don't care, anyone can have the job, but until this club is fumigated, we're fucked.

Anyone still doubting this will be our future?

Look at how Levy operates with coaches;

Jol - top 4 is going to be a struggle, team not playing well. Result - Fire coach and bring in shiny trophy winner from Spain to SAVE THE SEASON. Finished -

Poch - top 4 looks like it's slipping away, tough situation, time for a rebuild. Result = Fire coach and bring in one that can 'SAVE THE SEASON'

Jose - top 4 slipping away, coach says players aren't good enough. Result = fire coach and bring in Mason who can SAVE THE SEASON.

Nuno - top 4 chances look bleak, coach is dreadful and it's clear the season will become a write-off. Result = fire coach and SVE THE SEASON

Conte - Top 4 achieved in first season - SEASON SAVED! But the second season not going as planned and top 4 looks unlikely. Result = He will be let go and we will start again to find a coach who can GUARANTEE top 4.

Levy's entire strategy revolves around CL qualification because the club (ownership) needs that money, apparently, to invest.

It worked the first few times, but now it is starting to become harder and harder to achieve that by bringing in a coach to give them a lift. This can be seen by the finished places we had with Jose (6th & 7th) and we are sure to finish there this season.

There needs to be some vision and some long-term objectives because hiring a coach to work with the same group of players just to get you back into the CL is not a substantial strategy.

Christ, even look at Jose at Roma, he is being given time that plenty of people said he couldn't work with....well, he's showing he can, he just needed the ownership behind him.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Anyone still doubting this will be our future?

Look at how Levy operates with coaches;

Jol - top 4 is going to be a struggle, team not playing well. Result - Fire coach and bring in shiny trophy winner from Spain to SAVE THE SEASON. Finished -

Poch - top 4 looks like it's slipping away, tough situation, time for a rebuild. Result = Fire coach and bring in one that can 'SAVE THE SEASON'

Jose - top 4 slipping away, coach says players aren't good enough. Result = fire coach and bring in Mason who can SAVE THE SEASON.

Nuno - top 4 chances look bleak, coach is dreadful and it's clear the season will become a write-off. Result = fire coach and SVE THE SEASON

Conte - Top 4 achieved in first season - SEASON SAVED! But the second season not going as planned and top 4 looks unlikely. Result = He will be let go and we will start again to find a coach who can GUARANTEE top 4.

Levy's entire strategy revolves around CL qualification because the club (ownership) needs that money, apparently, to invest.

It worked the first few times, but now it is starting to become harder and harder to achieve that by bringing in a coach to give them a lift. This can be seen by the finished places we had with Jose (6th & 7th) and we are sure to finish there this season.

There needs to be some vision and some long-term objectives because hiring a coach to work with the same group of players just to get you back into the CL is not a substantial strategy.

Christ, even look at Jose at Roma, he is being given time that plenty of people said he couldn't work with....well, he's showing he can, he just needed the ownership behind him.

Incredible post so spot on.

Also add to that Redknapp panic hire after Ramos bad start to season. Everything is reactive.

 

[Nebby]

Anyone still doubting this will be our future?

Look at how Levy operates with coaches;

Jol - top 4 is going to be a struggle, team not playing well. Result - Fire coach and bring in shiny trophy winner from Spain to SAVE THE SEASON. Finished -

Poch - top 4 looks like it's slipping away, tough situation, time for a rebuild. Result = Fire coach and bring in one that can 'SAVE THE SEASON'

Jose - top 4 slipping away, coach says players aren't good enough. Result = fire coach and bring in Mason who can SAVE THE SEASON.

Nuno - top 4 chances look bleak, coach is dreadful and it's clear the season will become a write-off. Result = fire coach and SVE THE SEASON

Conte - Top 4 achieved in first season - SEASON SAVED! But the second season not going as planned and top 4 looks unlikely. Result = He will be let go and we will start again to find a coach who can GUARANTEE top 4.

Levy's entire strategy revolves around CL qualification because the club (ownership) needs that money, apparently, to invest.

It worked the first few times, but now it is starting to become harder and harder to achieve that by bringing in a coach to give them a lift. This can be seen by the finished places we had with Jose (6th & 7th) and we are sure to finish there this season.

There needs to be some vision and some long-term objectives because hiring a coach to work with the same group of players just to get you back into the CL is not a substantial strategy.

Christ, even look at Jose at Roma, he is being given time that plenty of people said he couldn't work with....well, he's showing he can, he just needed the ownership behind him.

The Italian league isn’t anywhere near the same as the PL. ENIC cannot compete with the PLs big boys. Why does this seem to escape so many of our fans?

 

[SpursJord]

So we get a coach who can play ten systems. Would that make you happy?

Because one system, three systems or ten systems, name me a coach Levy can hire who will take how this club is run, work under Levy and the conditions thereof and produce a winning team. This club takes fucking good managers, ruins their reputations or records and spits them out again.

And whoever the next patsy is, the net result will be exactly the same only the complaint about that coach will be a different one and tailored to suit and we'll want another one out.

And once more, Levy will be put in his cot and allowed to sleep an undisturbed and happy sleep, this club needs a reset from top to bottom and until that happens all this manager stuff? I just can't see what's going to change. This one, the next one or the one after.

I'm going to actively and fucking ferociously want the next manager out as soon as he arrives. Fuck it, why waste time

Can you imagine on the new Managers home debut 40k+ singing your getting sacked in the morning ?

 

[olliec]

Look at how Levy operates with coaches;

Jol - top 4 is going to be a struggle, team not playing well. Result - Fire coach and bring in shiny trophy winner from Spain to SAVE THE SEASON. Finished -

Poch - top 4 looks like it's slipping away, tough situation, time for a rebuild. Result = Fire coach and bring in one that can 'SAVE THE SEASON'

Jose - top 4 slipping away, coach says players aren't good enough. Result = fire coach and bring in Mason who can SAVE THE SEASON.

Nuno - top 4 chances look bleak, coach is dreadful and it's clear the season will become a write-off. Result = fire coach and SVE THE SEASON

Conte - Top 4 achieved in first season - SEASON SAVED! But the second season not going as planned and top 4 looks unlikely. Result = He will be let go and we will start again to find a coach who can GUARANTEE top 4.

Levy's entire strategy revolves around CL qualification because the club (ownership) needs that money, apparently, to invest.

It worked the first few times, but now it is starting to become harder and harder to achieve that by bringing in a coach to give them a lift. This can be seen by the finished places we had with Jose (6th & 7th) and we are sure to finish there this season.

There needs to be some vision and some long-term objectives because hiring a coach to work with the same group of players just to get you back into the CL is not a substantial strategy.

Christ, even look at Jose at Roma, he is being given time that plenty of people said he couldn't work with....well, he's showing he can, he just needed the ownership behind him.

This is levy in a complete nutshell. If anyone else can’t see this you’re deluded. He doesn’t care about trophies and will only invest the amount that needs to be invested to get top 4.

ENIC and Levy Out!!

 

[Darth Vega]

The Italian league isn’t anywhere near the same as the PL. ENIC cannot compete with the PLs big boys. Why does this seem to escape so many of our fans?

We make more money than Arsenal do, what's our excuse? Granted, the likes of City are a different proposition, but Arsenal are annoyingly showing us there's a way to win without being City. We almost stumbled upon this ourselves with Pochettino but failed to take the final step.

 

[Harrier]

And he’s leading our assist charts with 8. He’s literally joint top FB with Andy Robertson in the PL with 5. Which is also the same as Odegard. I get you don’t like Conte but Perisic has been an excellent signing for us. It’s testament to his ability that he could be even better.

Brilliant winger, but no longer has the pace to be a top wing back.

IMHO he should be playing instead of Son at the moment.

 

[Nebby]

Then that's on Levy, because Conte hasn't radically changed his approach in the time he's managed and won things with his proven winning system, that's what interviews and research are for.
That's negligent recruitment if he didn't learn the lesson from Jose.

Kinda depends on what Conte told the club before he signed, don’t you think? None of us know what was said, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t “I play one system and one system only and it will be bloody boring to watch”.

 

[rossdapep]

The Italian league isn’t anywhere near the same as the PL. ENIC cannot compete with the PLs big boys. Why does this seem to escape so many of our fans?

HA.......WHAT??

 

[Nebby]

We make more money than Arsenal do, what's our excuse? Granted, the likes of City are a different proposition, but Arsenal are annoyingly showing us there's a way to win without being City. We almost stumbled upon this ourselves with Pochettino but failed to take the final step.

They might win the title this season, but they will not be dominating the league for seasons to come. They’re doing a Leicester and that’s all.

 

[Darth Vega]

They might win the title this season, but they will not be dominating the league for seasons to come. They’re doing a Leicester and that’s all.

Even if that's true - remains to be seen - it's one that we could have had ourselves. It isn't the lack of success that bothers me at Spurs, it's the lack of trying. It's one thing to lose - on or off the pitch - and it's another to not give everything you've got and fail.

If we'd just failed under Pochettino then I would've been over it by now, the fact that we never fully backed him and failed means it will always be met with a sense of regret. Arsenal have given everything to their coach and they're about to cross the line with a flourish; even if it is the only one they ever win it's still one more than us.

 

[olliec]

The Italian league isn’t anywhere near the same as the PL. ENIC cannot compete with the PLs big boys. Why does this seem to escape so many of our fans?

Best stadium and training facilities by a country mile in the PL, and you’re saying we can’t compete with the big boys? Might as well throw in the towel now with that attitude.

 

[only1waddle]

Kinda depends on what Conte told the club before he signed, don’t you think? None of us know what was said, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t “I play one system and one system only and it will be bloody boring to watch”.

Or Levy promised xyz and has now moved the goalposts, as you say, we don't know, but football people would have known how Conte works, and that system with the right pieces works, I'm no fan of what we've been watching this season in the slightest, but Levy has a history of football failure, Conte doesn't.

 

[SpursJord]

So he has done this with unlimited resources? Or even resources on par with Manchester teams, Pool and Chelsea?

Lets be honest here and even a tiny bit of research will tell you that Arsenal have spent the most money over the 3 previous transfer windows before the current one. So, not only on Par they had been outspending them to recruit players.

I’ll settle for a coach who doesn’t behave like a stubborn child and demonstrates an ability to create a system that suits the players he has, not the players he wants.

Why do you think Conte is behaving like this? Because, like we know he is finding out that players Tottenham sign will be the best ones for the price/deal DL can acquire not the best ones for what the team needs. DL wants any manager he employs to get the best out of what we have, they want Dier, Davies and Sanchez signed to new contracts last time I heard because Daniel Levy believes they are good enough for us.

Why do you Mourinho done a similar thing? See above.

Why do you think Pochettino said after the CL that had we won it he would have probably left? Because he knew DL wasn't going to sanction a proper rebuild, it is okay to say but we signed Lo Celso and Ndombele but did anyone even do any due diligence on them? Backing a manager means many things especially during a rebuild. Players need to be moved on and replaced with better players, players that fit the system, have the right attitude and most of all ones that are not being signed to fulfil DL needs of a good deal that could return them a sizeable transfer fee.

I seriously believe in the next 6 months if QSI don't manage to get Tottenham, things are about to get a whole load worse and nobody can see it but it will happen. Guys, seriously strap yourselves in and prepare this could just be the start.

 

[FinnYid]

Best stadium and training facilities by a country mile in the PL, and you’re saying we can’t compete with the big boys? Might as well throw in the towel now with that attitude.

It's the ability to pay wages that gives you advantage, not the fanciest training facilities and if it was merely about trophies, most teams in the world would have to throw in the towel.