Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[spurs9]

Or upgrade the shot defence which we should’ve done when Poch left

I'm talking for the rest of the season not long term ffs.

 

[chelmyid]

I came across this online which perfectly sums everything up for me

Starters in defence the last 6 times we've been knocked out the FA CUP
17/18 - Dier, Davies, Sanchez
18/19 - Dier, Sanchez
19/20 - Dier, Sanchez
20/21 - Davies, Sanchez
21/22 - Dier, Davies
22/23 - Dier, Davies, Sanchez

I’m that time we’ve had
Poch
Mourinho
Mason(albeit temp)
Nuno
Conte

the obvious is sometimes too obvious for some

 

[RuskyM]

8 clean sheets in 12 before yesterday

It's 7/14 since the World Cup - Portsmouth & Preston are lower league, then Palace, Fulham, Chelsea, City, West Ham. I'd argue we played well against City and...actually I'd argue we only played well against City.

 

[fecka]

Its the fault of the other teams then ?

No, it's not the fault of other teams but rather it's thanks to other teams fortunately being even more awful. I'd wager there's a very small chance Chelsea and Liverpool are as bad as they have been next season, and Newcastle is likely to continue to improve.
Our performances have regressed significantly compared to last season despite our league table position and the way we're playing I'd be baffled if we manage to finish in the top 4.

It's not even about us having to spend more. We need to find our identity and stick to it instead of jumping between widely different options and strategies like we've done since Poch left.

 

[RuskyM]

I came across this online which perfectly sums everything up for me

Starters in defence the last 6 times we've been knocked out the FA CUP
17/18 - Dier, Davies, Sanchez
18/19 - Dier, Sanchez
19/20 - Dier, Sanchez
20/21 - Davies, Sanchez
21/22 - Dier, Davies
22/23 - Dier, Davies, Sanchez

I’m that time we’ve had
Poch
Mourinho
Mason(albeit temp)
Nuno
Conte

the obvious is sometimes too obvious for some

We've also had Kane/Son in most of those games but I guess they don't fit the narrative. Ignoring that Dier and Davies were actually alright yesterday.

And we kept being told that Conte didn't want a centre back unless they were Bastoni or what have you: if he didn't think anyone could improve them, he can't complain when he uses them.

 

[spurs mental]

and...actually I'd argue we only played well against City.

I'd recommend watching football with your eyes open if you don't think we played well v Chelsea and definitely second half v West Ham.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I came across this online which perfectly sums everything up for me

Starters in defence the last 6 times we've been knocked out the FA CUP
17/18 - Dier, Davies, Sanchez
18/19 - Dier, Sanchez
19/20 - Dier, Sanchez
20/21 - Davies, Sanchez
21/22 - Dier, Davies
22/23 - Dier, Davies, Sanchez

I’m that time we’ve had
Poch
Mourinho
Mason(albeit temp)
Nuno
Conte

the obvious is sometimes too obvious for some

Easy to go straight to the defence but we never looked close to scoring last night — or against Boro, or Forest.

 

[RuskyM]

I'd recommend watching football with your eyes open if you don't think we played well v Chelsea and definitely second half v West Ham.

Chelsea were abysmal, we were competent. West Ham second half, fine, but the first half was dreadful.

 

[Marantz]

I was happy when Conte arrived. A serial winner at his peak. Not like Jose that perhaps was a little past it. Conte was going to handle Levy and get all that he wanted to make Spurs win a trophy. He needs certain players for his style so no plan B. The duo of him and Paratici had worked toghether. Both Italian so that would work well. Levy wasn’t going to dare to try to tame Conte. If he would try Conte would walk. I wasn’t worried as i read about a war chest being made available. In addition to the revenue the new stadium would generate. So everything looked good. Now just over a year later i see that i was so wrong. Club is never going to change how they run things. No matter who is in charge. I would be happier if we where more like Dortmund. Buying young players, playing a system and having some plan. We are not their as we can’t even sell player at their peak like Alli. There is no plan with what kind of managers we want, how we scout, set up and play. The Tottenham way is sadly now just doing a bottle job year after year. As i see it if we keep going as we have under Enic and ee might be lucky one year or we might not. What i know now is Levy will never change how he works. Personally i am hoping that someone will buy the club. I know it doesn’t guarantee trophies but hell i am ready to give it a go. Enic has changes the club for the better and done well but it is time to change if someone is willing to buy.

 

[spurs mental]

Chelsea were abysmal, we were competent. West Ham second half, fine, but the first half was dreadful.

You call it competent. I'd call it professional.

 

[spurs9]

Do you not realise things started to go wrong for poch because the players could now longer implement his press and he refused to adapt his system

They could no longer implement the press due to being mentally and physically fatigued as a result of very little rotation and barely refreshing the players (partly Levy's fault).

Eriksen, who had also massively dropped off under Poch,has this season been able to play very well for an attacking possession based system.

 

[wspur]

The only reason we are top 4 is Harry Kane and lucky goals. This makes Conte's terrorism possible because the other teams open up. When he is not playing and we don't score from a silly mistake or a long range shot we are dead.

 

[Styopa]

We did fine overall versus Chelsea and West Ham. But those clubs are in an even worse hole than us right now.

 

[RuskyM]

You call it competent. I'd call it professional.

That's fair, I'm still pretty narked off so I'm being overly critical. Worth noting that defence had Dier and Davies in it, who gets pelters when it goes badly and Conte takes the credit when it goes well.

Regardless, my point is more how few times we've played well this season - I might be being harsh cos I'm so sick of these passive displays. But I'm struggling to think of more than a handful of games this season I thought "we were really good there". Southampton (H), Man City (H)...maybe Frankfurt (H)? You could say Palace and Leicester cos of the scoreline but we were rotten for the first half.

 

[spurs mental]

That's fair, I'm still pretty narked off so I'm being overly critical. Worth noting that defence had Dier and Davies in it, who gets pelters when it goes badly and Conte takes the credit when it goes well.

Regardless, my point is more how few times we've played well this season - I might be being harsh cos I'm so sick of these passive displays. But I'm struggling to think of more than a handful of games this season I thought "we were really good there". Southampton (H), Man City (H)...maybe Frankfurt (H)? You could say Palace and Leicester cos of the scoreline but we were rotten for the first half.

Don't disagree with most of that. None of us are really happy with anything at the club at the moment, from top to bottom.

I guess I just have a more positive outlook for the rest of the season based on how we kicked on last season from now and how we've done better v Chelsea and West Ham recently. Our fixtures give us an opportunity to put the foot down and move forward.

Not sure a new man or new system is the right thing right now when the players would need time to figure a new system with that opportunity at hand

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

There is no denying that we need a complete re-set, which will be very painful and will require a talented project manager
The challenge for the club is how we shift the huge pile of dross out of the club.

Ruthlessly we .need to shift
Lloris, Sanchez, Regulion, Davies, Perisic, Rodon, Dier, Winks, Moura, Ndombele, Lo Celso, and Hojbjerg.

Kane will leave. Based on this season, Son may be sacrificed.
We need
GK, 2 x CB, LB, Creative MF and Kane’s replacement.

Big big rebuild needed just to stand still

 

[chelmyid]

We've also had Kane/Son in most of those games but I guess they don't fit the narrative. Ignoring that Dier and Davies were actually alright yesterday.

And we kept being told that Conte didn't want a centre back unless they were Bastoni or what have you: if he didn't think anyone could improve them, he can't complain when he uses them.

I actually agree with you about Kane and son - and Lloris as well

my point being - the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different result

 

[chelmyid]

Easy to go straight to the defence but we never looked close to scoring last night — or against Boro, or Forest.

Agreed - see latest post

 

[chelmyid]

There is no denying that we need a complete re-set, which will be very painful and will require a talented project manager
The challenge for the club is how we shift the huge pile of dross out of the club.

Ruthlessly we .need to shift
Lloris, Sanchez, Regulion, Davies, Perisic, Rodon, Dier, Winks, Moura, Ndombele, Lo Celso, and Hojbjerg.

Kane will leave. Based on this season, Son may be sacrificed.
We need
GK, 2 x CB, LB, Creative MF and Kane’s replacement.

Big big rebuild needed just to stand still

Also would add to your list
Sess
Tanganga

but would keep dier and hojberg as good squad players

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

There is no denying that we need a complete re-set, which will be very painful and will require a talented project manager
The challenge for the club is how we shift the huge pile of dross out of the club.

Ruthlessly we .need to shift
Lloris, Sanchez, Regulion, Davies, Perisic, Rodon, Dier, Winks, Moura, Ndombele, Lo Celso, and Hojbjerg.

Kane will leave. Based on this season, Son may be sacrificed.
We need
GK, 2 x CB, LB, Creative MF and Kane’s replacement.

Big big rebuild needed just to stand still

This is extremely unlikely to happen given the recent financials of the club.

Honestly the only thing I see changing things to a point where we are all happy with both the football on the pitch and the way the club spends money to keep us competitive is if we manage to get a sale through.

Sadly we’ve hired a manager that is extremely talented but needs specific players to make it work properly. Our squad has 0 depth. The fact that the best player on the pitch for me last night was the youngest in Sarr tells me everything I need to know about the direction we’re going as a club.

We were never going to give him the tools he needs. It was a pointless exercise and we should’ve gone with a longer term option like ETH.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us in Everton’s position in a couple years if things don’t change drastically which I genuinely hope they do. But I have little to zero faith.