Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[spursfan77]

This is the team that lost to Middleborough last season. Wonder whether we lost to Middleborough because Romero was playing or the teams General performance.

We lost both games because of loser mentality. It perpetuates the club. From top to bottom they just aren’t scared by failure.

 

[fecka]

This is extremely unlikely to happen given the recent financials of the club.

Honestly the only thing I see changing things to a point where we are all happy with both the football on the pitch and the way the club spends money to keep us competitive is if we manage to get a sale through.

Sadly we’ve hired a manager that is extremely talented but needs specific players to make it work properly. Our squad has 0 depth. The fact that the best player on the pitch for me last night was the youngest in Sarr tells me everything I need to know about the direction we’re going as a club.

We were never going to give him the tools he needs. It was a pointless exercise and we should’ve gone with a longer term option like ETH.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us in Everton’s position in a couple years if things don’t change drastically which I genuinely hope they do. But I have little to zero faith.

Our mistake was signing a manager that needed about 9 new players just to make the system flourish. That was never going to happen and was beyond daft by the board.

 

[chas vs dave]

That's all well and good but there are a lot of people on here who'd have to adjust their expectations

And that will not happen. It just won't.

I'll adjust my expectations when tottenham adjust my ticket to reflect what's being served up

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Our mistake was signing a manager that needed about 9 new players just to make the system flourish. That was never going to happen and was beyond daft by the board.

Sorry but I disagree that Conte needed 9 new players, the club in general needed those new players and probably a couple more in 2-3 years time. The state of our squad and recruiting has been borderline criminal since Poch left.

If we had more quality when he arrived the number would be smaller.

 

[fecka]

We lost both games because of loser mentality. It perpetuates the club. From top to bottom they just aren’t scared by failure.

I think it's the opposite. They are so scared of failure instead of being truly hungry for success. As some have stated, culture trickles down from the top, and being afraid of failure instead of truly wanting to win is the one criticism of Levy that is undisputed IMO.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I'll adjust my expectations when tottenham adjust my ticket to reflect what's being served up

I know it sounds pretty dick to say but from an outside perspective, you still choose to pay for the ticket all on your own accord. You cannot then level expectations at the club based on the price.

It’s the same as buying players for high transfer fees and then expecting world class performances all the time. The value of a player (ticket) is set by the selling club and not based purely on the quality you’ll receive.

 

[chas vs dave]

I know it sounds pretty dick to say but from an outside perspective, you still choose to pay for the ticket all on your own accord. You cannot then level expectations at the club based on the price.

It’s the same as buying players for high transfer fees and then expecting world class performances all the time. The value of a player (ticket) is set by the selling club and not based purely on the quality you’ll receive.

Fully aware of that. However you can't double the price of a ticket and not expect the fans to change their perspective.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Fully aware of that. However you can't double the price of a ticket and not expect the fans to change their perspective.

100% agree with that, there has to be some responsibility and delivery for the prices you guys are paying for match day tickets.

 

[fecka]

Sorry but I disagree that Conte needed 9 new players, the club in general needed those new players and probably a couple more in 2-3 years time. The state of our squad and recruiting has been borderline criminal since Poch left.

If we had more quality when he arrived the number would be smaller.

IMO the club needed about 5-6 new players minimum, but Conte has very specific needs that have made it even more difficult for us and if he is/was to succeed he would have needed to get a minimum of 9 new first-teamers.

I agree that the recruiting has been borderline criminal but it's been that way even during Poch's reign and he was partly culpable IMO.

 

[Russ1201]

I wonder how long he’ll be away for. We’re entering the third week of his absence now. Is there much point in keeping him on if he’s essentially on long term sick leave with about three months left on his contract?

Have a feeling he could be away good bit longer after yesterday's performance. Typical Spurs fucked up again players have zero motivation and mentality.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

IMO the club needed about 5-6 new players minimum, but Conte has very specific needs that have made it even more difficult for us and if he is/was to succeed he would have needed to get a minimum of 9 new first-teamers.

That begs the question, why even bother with Conte in the first place?

This is exactly why I wanted someone like ETH instead. The incompetence at the board level is shocking.

 

[wadewill]

Have a feeling he could be away good bit longer after yesterday's performance. Typical Spurs fucked up again players have zero motivation and mentality.

Haven’t thought about motivation

But where the fuck is it?

Even if United,City,Arsenal or Liverpool went 1-0 down with 10 left you would fully expect them to suffocate a second string championship side

We just didn’t really try. We were easily managed

It was a diabolical performance

Expect much of the same on Saturday, Wolves will be far better coached and prepared than us.

 

[fecka]

That begs the question, why even bother with Conte in the first place?

This is exactly why I wanted someone like ETH instead. The incompetence at the board level is shocking.

I agree. I remember stating in the summer of 2021 that the only manager I could see win something with us in the short term was Conte, but also that I doubted he'd be one for us in the long term.

ETH might have been a better choice at the time and without checking back on my posts, I believe I was in favor of hiring him over our other options. Now, we'll never know how it would have turned out, but since a few weeks back I'm of the opinion that Conte is no longer the one for us in the short- or long-term.

 

[Jamturk]

I am seeing that the cup defeat is being laid at the door of the team selection.

Though it is a factor for me it is a perfect example of why Conteball doesn't succeed in cup knockout competitions.

His strategy is great for picking up consistent results/points because of its no nonsense rigid attritional style.

However when it comes to the occasion, the one off winner takes all format of a knockout competition it often is the piece of magic, the arousal of the spirit, fortune, bad luck that decides the victor.

When we were great and had skillful players playing with flair off the cuff we were known as "a cup team".

 

[Russ1201]

Haven’t thought about motivation

But where the fuck is it?

Even if United,City,Arsenal or Liverpool went 1-0 down with 10 left you would fully expect them to suffocate a second string championship side

We just didn’t really try. We were easily managed

It was a diabolical performance

Expect much of the same on Saturday, Wolves will be far better coached and prepared than us.

100% agree can see our season fizzle out now. Don't fancy spurs players to fight against a motivated wolves fighting against relegation or Milan.
Club is a shambles from top to bottom. The team needs gutted but Mr Levy won't authorise that as he will lose money on sales and will have to spend money to replace.
Go jarring and property far more important to ENIC!! We aren't even a foot all team any more we are just becoming a multi sport franchise?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Haven’t thought about motivation

But where the fuck is it?

Even if United,City,Arsenal or Liverpool went 1-0 down with 10 left you would fully expect them to suffocate a second string championship side

We just didn’t really try. We were easily managed

It was a diabolical performance

Expect much of the same on Saturday, Wolves will be far better coached and prepared than us.

This is exactly why I'm done with the lot of these players.

Only players we have that look like they give a fuck to achieve anything are Romero, Emerson, Skipp and Sarr.

That tells you everything you need to know.

I wouldn't even put Kane and Son into the motivated category because they have enough quality and have been around long enough to have won something.

They seem to mope around the pitch when things aren't going our way.

We lack true leadership on the pitch. a Roy Keane esque player that takes no shit.

But we will never have one.

Spursy.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I agree. I remember stating in the summer of 2021 that the only manager I could see win something with us in the short term was Conte, but also that I doubted he'd be one for us in the long term.

ETH might have been a better choice at the time and without checking back on my posts, I believe I was in favor of hiring him over our other options. Now, we'll never know how it would have turned out, but since a few weeks back I'm of the opinion that Conte is no longer the one for us in the short- or long-term.

I will still back Conte until the day he leaves simply because he didn't ask to be here.

When the club appoints a manager like that, they would've known exactly what was needed to help him achieve success.

We've failed him miserably.

And whilst he is to blame for certain things, you can't really level the blame without realising his hands have been tied in so many ways.

We need a restart. Badly.

 

[Mark_147]

They could no longer implement the press due to being mentally and physically fatigued as a result of very little rotation and barely refreshing the players (partly Levy's fault).

Eriksen, who had also massively dropped off under Poch,has this season been able to play very well for an attacking possession based system.

Yeah nothing to do with their age

 

[jolsnogross]

This "project" manager bullshit again. ETH just won a trophy last weekend for fuck sake. The club, every club, is the project. Therfore, every manager is managing a project.

And its gas to hear that mismanagement of the Spurs project isn't Conte's fault because he's not a "project" manager.

Unless there is a dramatic turnaround, Conte has been a failure. This idea that it's the club's fault that he can't do better is silly excusing of turgid football tactics and an inability to change the fucking record. Players good enough to perform the way they did against Chelsea, only to turn to this shit a game later. Players who can play so purposefully well against city, only to embarrass the club at Leicester.

The project manager at United hasn't needed such excuses. Nor Arsenal's for that matter

 

[fecka]

I will still back Conte until the day he leaves simply because he didn't ask to be here.

When the club appoints a manager like that, they would've known exactly what was needed to help him achieve success.

We've failed him miserably.

And whilst he is to blame for certain things, you can't really level the blame without realising his hands have been tied in so many ways.

We need a restart. Badly.

I'm not levying blame, just accountability and responsibility.
Has he truly had the environment to succeed? No.
Was it realistic to achieve said environment with our circumstances at the time? No.
Is it realistic to still give it to him with our resources and circumstances? No.
Is he responsible for the results and performances despite that as part of his role? Yes.

I rate Conte highly as a coach, but just as some players don't fit his system despite being good players he doesn't fit our club despite being a great coach IMO.