Eric Dier

[Mattspur]

Still doesn't make a difference to us if they go and get paid elsewhere. It's still pointless to be paying a player who isn't registered.

It does make a difference to us though. If you pay them off, the player has the opportunity to get paid for the upcoming season by us and then get paid again when they join a new club. We also miss out on the chance to get a transfer fee for them. So it's win win for the player but we have nothing to gain from it.

If you drop them from the squad and keep paying them as usual then the players will only get paid once for the season and when they come to find another club, it's doubtful they'll find one easily as they wouldn't have played for a whole season. So it gives the player a reason to find another club before that happens and they drift off into obscurity.

 

[mil1lion]

Yeah doesn't mean it's right. And that's exactly what Dier is thinking. They did it for those players so they'll do it for me, so why leave?

But he will still get paid for doing nothing so there's no scenario that suits us anyway. If they let the clock run down and don't get a move and we can't register them then they're stuck without a move and still getting paid by us. Get paid for the final year and then leave for nothing and get a signing on fee. The player gets the advantage either way.

 

[mil1lion]

It does make a difference to us though. If you pay them off, the player has the opportunity to get paid for the upcoming season by us and then get paid again when they join a new club. We also miss out on the chance to get a transfer fee for them. So it's win win for the player but we have nothing to gain from it.

If you drop them from the squad and keep paying them as usual then the players will only get paid once for the season and when they come to find another club, it's doubtful they'll find one easily as they wouldn't have played for a whole season. So it gives the player a reason to find another club before that happens and they drift off into obscurity.

We have nothing to gain anyway. If a player can't be registered then we are paying them to not do their job. We also don't get a fee for them anyway because they will be out of contract at the end of the season. I'm not sure how the pay out works but maybe we agree a fee below their full wage as well.

 

[WiganSpur]

We have nothing to gain anyway. If a player can't be registered then we are paying them to not do their job. We also don't get a fee for them anyway because they will be out of contract at the end of the season. I'm not sure how the pay out works but maybe we agree a fee below their full wage as well.

The point is that you're right that it saves us short term cash but causes all manner of problems in the long-run as we can't rely on these players to leave to enable incomings. If we let Dier train on his own yes we have to pay his wages but in future players will be incentivised to leave during or earlier in a transfer window knowing that will happen to them as well, and that the financially beneficial play is for them to move elsewhere.

 

[mil1lion]

The point is that you're right that it saves us short term cash but causes all manner of problems in the long-run as we can't rely on these players to leave to enable incomings.

We can't anyway sadly as we've seen this window. We still have the limits to register players and we're still over that limit. A player would need to be down to their final year and wait out the transfer window in the hope we end up with too many players to register. They need to hope that we don't sell other players on deadline day and also decide not to register them and then pay them off. It's a really unique situation at the moment and it's a mess we've left ourselves in. I don't think players are going to look at this situation and expect to be paid off the same way. It's a really long shot to wait for that scenario to play out.

 

[WiganSpur]

We can't anyway sadly as we've seen this window. We still have the limits to register players and we're still over that limit. A player would need to be down to their final year and wait out the transfer window in the hope we end up with too many players to register. They need to hope that we don't sell other players on deadline day and also decide not to register them and then pay them off. It's a really unique situation at the moment and it's a mess we've left ourselves in. I don't think players are going to look at this situation and expect to be paid off the same way. It's a really long shot to wait for that scenario to play out.

Personally, I would register Dier unless we absolutely can't.

Lloris contract I would mutually terminate as he's 36 and been a good servant. I don't agree with paying Dier off so might as well use him in case of injuries and keep him on side till he leaves on a free.

 

[mil1lion]

Personally, I would register Dier unless we absolutely can't.

Lloris contract I would mutually terminate as he's 36 and been a good servant. I don't agree with paying Dier off so might as well use him in case of injuries and keep him on side till he leaves on a free.

Not sure what the official count is now but we will be over the limit. I think the whole conversation was really based on if he isn't registered then we should or shouldn't just pay him off. I'm not sure how paying Lloris off is any different though. Personally if a player is on his final year and not being registered they will leave in a year for free anyway and they'll be paid regardless. I just don't see the point keeping them in that situation.

 

[Joely]

So it looks like Lurch hasn't taken the hint and is staying. So if I've got this right, there's a chance he could miss making the squad? Looking at the 17 non-HG you'd think we'd name, I'd guess they would be the following (Udogie and Sarr U21 so not an issue)?

Hojbjerg
Sanchez
Son
Bissouma
Richarlison
Gil
Royal
Vicario
Perisic
Romero
Lo Celso
Kulusevski
Porro
Solomon
Bentancur
VDV

Edit: Named Bentancur twice so appears Dier can make the squad and it will be Lloris (worst case could see us paying his contract up) and Ndombele (wouldn't rule out a loan move to Turkey) who miss out

 

[Aleks]

So it looks like Lurch hasn't taken the hint and is staying. So if I've got this right, there's a chance he could miss making the squad? Looking at the 17 non-HG you'd think we'd name, I'd guess they would be the following (Udogie and Sarr U21 so not an issue)?

Hojbjerg
Sanchez
Son
Bissouma
Richarlison
Gil
Royal
Vicario
Perisic
Romero
Lo Celso
Kulusevski
Porro
Solomon
Bentancur
VDV
Bentancur

Lloris and Ndombele will be completely out the picture but just wondering if they would look to shoehorn Lurch (even though he is a disaster waiting to happen in this system) in for someone? Only name that sticks out is Gil if they feel he isn't up. Also been mentioned Bentancur is likely to be back in November but still fancy him to be named. Feels like Dier is really looking at twiddling his thumbs for the season and makes the decision not to seriously explore a move away bit more strange.

you named bentancur twice

 

[Joely]

you named bentancur twice

So I did! So he could make the 25...

 

[mil1lion]

I'm sure we will register;

Vicario, Romero, VdV, Sanchez, Dier, Emerson, Porro, Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Lo Celso, Gil, Son, Soloman, Perisic, Kulusevski, Richarlison

Forster, Sessegnon, Maddison, Skipp, Johnson, Davies

 

[bbunc]

I'm sure we will register;

Vicario, Romero, VdV, Sanchez, Dier, Emerson, Porro, Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Lo Celso, Gil, Son, Soloman, Perisic, Kulusevski, Richarlison

Forster, Sessegnon, Maddison, Skipp, Johnson, Davies

Dier, Sanchez, Peresic, Forster all off the books next summer. PEH and GLC likely on the block. Probably Gil and Sess too. Will have lots of room to compete the rebuild.

 

[yid-down-under]

I'm sure we will register;

Vicario, Romero, VdV, Sanchez, Dier, Emerson, Porro, Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Lo Celso, Gil, Son, Soloman, Perisic, Kulusevski, Richarlison

Forster, Sessegnon, Maddison, Skipp, Johnson, Davies

And Austin

 

[mil1lion]

Dier, Sanchez, Peresic, Forster all off the books next summer. PEH and GLC likely on the block. Probably Gil and Sess too. Will have lots of room to compete the rebuild.

Yep the contracts will help. I think Udogie and Sarr will need to be registered though. Other than that finally some players out of contract can help us complete this mess of a squad. It's maybe even a blessing we have no Europe so may not need to even use some of them. The less we see of some of them the better.

 

[WiganSpur]

I suppose we might as well register Dier if we can, but Phillips and Dorrington should be ahead of him in the pecking order, in the same way that Austin is in front of Lloris.

 

[THOWIG]

Dier, Sanchez, Peresic, Forster all off the books next summer. PEH and GLC likely on the block. Probably Gil and Sess too. Will have lots of room to compete the rebuild.

Totally. Love people on here, but everyone goes into a frenzy with no dose of reality. It’s going to take 2-3 windows to sort us out.
Nobody in the league bar possibly City are sorted.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Dier, Sanchez, Peresic, Forster all off the books next summer. PEH and GLC likely on the block. Probably Gil and Sess too. Will have lots of room to compete the rebuild.

Who is this ‘Sess’ you speak of? I have heard his name before in a fever dream. Is he real?

 

[mil1lion]

Totally. Love people on here, but everyone goes into a frenzy with no dose of reality. It’s going to take 2-3 windows to sort us out.
Nobody in the league bar possibly City are sorted.

To be fair we've had over 2-3 windows to sort centre back out.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

I suppose we might as well register Dier if we can, but Phillips and Dorrington should be ahead of him in the pecking order, in the same way that Austin is in front of Lloris.

I rather register Sanchez instead of Dier, at least he is more suited to our system

 

[Cochraam]

Dier, Sanchez, Peresic, Forster all off the books next summer. PEH and GLC likely on the block. Probably Gil and Sess too. Will have lots of room to compete the rebuild.

Assuming we don't extend the contracts of any of those players then yes. Also, not sure being on the chopping block means too much. We were aiming for like 10 exits this summer and managed 3 permanent and one conditional obligation.