ENIC...

[guiltyparty]

When Poch said “be brave and take risks”, he was talking about selling players just as much as buying. This idea he just wanted to bring in loads of extra players doesn’t equate - he clearly thought we should turnover players more quickly too

 

[MassadaTom]

i have my doubts about Levy.
but...
All summer substantial portion of ITK was warning us about giant danger looming over horizon in Mendes,
Now Paratici and Nuno decide that they need Mendes player
They need him involved to make transfer happen.
Price is inflated .
Player is not in Young Future Star mould.
Traore is relatively limited and in many ways similar to what we have already.
You can understand why he Veto it without penny pinching accountant narrative.
Missing on Georgian Kid ,Moriba or Puig worries me.

 

[Shadydan]

forget this or that transfer. We must not ignore what happened with Stratford and the super league. Two attempts by ENIC to steal our club and effectively turn it into a franchise. Who seriously thinks if they had another chance to steal the club, and/or kill the football pyramid in the process, all for personal enrichment they would not take it?

I don’t care about transfer windows, there is a bigger issue here. I am. proud to be a “legacy” supporter coming from several generations who lived near the stadium and supported Spurs going back to the early 1900s. I will always feel my club is in hostile hands with ENIC. I do not trust them.

Yeah let's ignore more factual evidence that contradicts the original argument and spin it into a debate bringing up subjects which have been argued to death, I mean Stratford? The ESL? Really?

Fair enough if you don't trust them because of these reasons but like I says before if it wasn't them in charge it would have been someone else pushing for the same thing.

 

[MassadaTom]

When Poch said “be brave and take risks”, he was talking about selling players just as much as buying. This idea he just wanted to bring in loads of extra players doesn’t equate - he clearly thought we should turnover players more quickly too

i think he wanted total reset. Fire sale and new start with young and hungry future stars.
De Jongs and De leigts.

 

[cliff jones]

I don’t know why you bother Shelfboy.

They’re just playing Levy bingo on you. False narrative, lockdown protesters, bedwetters, toys out of the pram, it’s just recycled on a loop. They dumb down every debate.

7th again. Acceptable to them but not to all.

 

[hellava_tough]

i have my doubts about Levy.
but...
All summer substantial portion of ITK was warning us about giant danger looming over horizon in Mendes,
Now Paratici and Nuno decide that they need Mendes player
They need him involved to make transfer happen.
Price is inflated .
Player is not in Young Future Star mould.
Traore is relatively limited and in many ways similar to what we have already.
You can understand why he Veto it without penny pinching accountant narrative.
Missing on Georgian Kid ,Moriba or Puig worries me.

Just to clarify, Mendes isn't Traore's agent

Although, Mendes was helping with the deal because of his ties to Wolves

 

[ohtottenham!]

Yeah let's ignore more factual evidence that contradicts the original argument and spin it into a debate bringing up subjects which have been argued to death, I mean Stratford? The ESL? Really?

Fair enough if you don't trust them because of these reasons but like I says before if it wasn't them in charge it would have been someone else pushing for the same thing.

Stratford and ESL are right there in the conversation for obvious, historical reasons, and they always should be if we as fans want any kind of agency and voice re accountability and intention from Enic/Levy. You're just saying that someone else would have done it anyway and so wtf.

It takes a bit more than "look at this or that transfer window" to convince many fans that the 20+ years of Enic/Levy ownership/leadership/control is always working in the interests of THFC. It ain't! It wasn't with Stratford and it wasn't with ESL; that's my opinion as a fan.

 

[Shadydan]

Stratford and ESL are right there in the conversation for obvious, historical reasons, and they always should be if we as fans want any kind of agency and voice re accountability and intention from Enic/Levy. You're just saying that someone else would have done it anyway and so wtf.

It takes a bit more than "look at this or that transfer window" to convince many fans that the 20+ years of Enic/Levy ownership/leadership/control is always working in the interests of THFC. It ain't! It wasn't with Stratford and it wasn't with ESL; that's my opinion as a fan.

? I haven't said anything to the contrary. You are entitled to your opinion about that hence why I said 'fair enough'.

My opinion though was they those things would have probably would have happened under a different owner, that doesn't make you or anyone wrong for not having faith in ENIC.

 

[ohtottenham!]

? I haven't said anything to the contrary. You are entitled to your opinion about that hence why I said 'fair enough'.

My opinion though was they those things would have probably would have happened under a different owner, that doesn't make you or anyone wrong for not having faith in ENIC.

Not sure what you're saying here, tbh. Just think we always have to hold leadership to account. The fire up Levy's arse after the ESL BS in particular and the Jose fallout was constructive. He had to take some measure of responsibility! We had his statement of admission of culpability to a degree and the remedial steps he would take including the DoF appointment. That was a big one!

We ain't even clear that he's allowing and enabling his DoF the measure of independence to make footballing decisions.

 

[Shadydan]

Not sure what you're saying here, tbh. Just think we always have to hold leadership to account. The fire up Levy's arse after the ESL BS in particular and the Jose fallout was constructive. He had to take some measure of responsibility! We had his statement of admission of culpability to a degree and the remedial steps he would take including the DoF appointment. That was a big one!

We ain't even clear that he's allowing and enabling his DoF the measure of independence to make footballing decisions.

It's like you're trying to force an argument when there isn't one...

I'm saying I agree with you hence me saying that Levy has made some terrible decisions and if you've read my posts you'll realise I'm not always pro Levy (most of the time though ?) , I'm just not entirely sure that anyone else would have done anything different in that situation but you are 100% entitled in believing that they were the wrong move and why you feel disdain towards the owners.

Both arguments have been absolutely done to death and if you want to read my thoughts on them they're all over the forum, ESL particularly in here.

That said I'm not going to hold them to account solely for those 'debacles' I'm looking at the overall picture since they've been in charge and IMO the overall picture I get is that it's positive, sue me for acting like a 'happy clapper'

 

[coy-spurs1882]

i have my doubts about Levy.
but...
All summer substantial portion of ITK was warning us about giant danger looming over horizon in Mendes,
Now Paratici and Nuno decide that they need Mendes player
They need him involved to make transfer happen.
Price is inflated .
Player is not in Young Future Star mould.
Traore is relatively limited and in many ways similar to what we have already.
You can understand why he Veto it without penny pinching accountant narrative.
Missing on Georgian Kid ,Moriba or Puig worries me.

do we have legitimate interest in them though?

 

[coy-spurs1882]

When Poch said “be brave and take risks”, he was talking about selling players just as much as buying. This idea he just wanted to bring in loads of extra players doesn’t equate - he clearly thought we should turnover players more quickly too

I agree but you can imagine the reaction if we sold Dier to Yanited, Eriksen to Real Madrid at their primes..."SELLING CLUB" "NO AMBITIONS" etc...

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Last summer we added a back up striker, a 'world class' forward in Bale, a left back who had won the Europa League, the managers no1 target in which turned out to be one of our player of the seasons, added to the fact we had been paying said manager with a highly decorated CV £15m p/y, in many people's eyes it was the best window we ever had and a lot of people were incredibly happy with the business we did.

Or are we just gonna ignore that happened?

of course as it didn't end in the way we wanted...

 

[ohtottenham!]

It's like you're trying to force an argument when there isn't one...

I'm saying I agree with you hence me saying that Levy has made some terrible decisions, I'm just not entirely sure that anyone else would have done anything different in that situation but you are 100% entitled in believing that they were the wrong move and why you feel disdain towards the owners.

Both arguments have been absolutely done to death and if you want to read my thoughts on them they're all over the forum, ESL particularly in here.

That said I'm not going to hold them to account solely for those 'debacles' I'm looking at the overall picture since they've been in charge and IMO the overall picture I get is that it's positive, sue me for acting like a 'happy clapper'

Two things you're intimating that ain't true from here...I'm not trying to force an argument and I don't have total disdain for the owners. I'm a happy clapper too whenever I watch Spurs.

 

[danielneeds]

Yeah let's ignore more factual evidence that contradicts the original argument and spin it into a debate bringing up subjects which have been argued to death, I mean Stratford? The ESL? Really?

Fair enough if you don't trust them because of these reasons but like I says before if it wasn't them in charge it would have been someone else pushing for the same thing.

Ah, be careful what you wish for is it?

 

[Delboy75]

I’ve no idea if it’s Lewis or Levy that holds back from taking that extra step. Because Lewis/Tavistock 100% has the financial capability to have us competing with City and Chelsea should he chose to. I suspect it’s Levy obsession with keeping a balanced profit/loss spread sheet. Why ? Who knows ultimately it wouldn’t even be his money if Lewis did decide to push the boat out. It’s not even like your talking £1bn to do it. From where we are £200m could probably have a serious title challenging Xi. People joke about Lewis selling a painting but he literally could, with an art collection worth over £1bn but he chooses not to. Which at the end of the day is fair enough it’s his money, but what’s the point in then hanging on to the club ? The exit plan is probably now at maximum level just cash in.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Yeah let's ignore more factual evidence that contradicts the original argument and spin it into a debate bringing up subjects which have been argued to death, I mean Stratford? The ESL? Really?

Fair enough if you don't trust them because of these reasons but like I says before if it wasn't them in charge it would have been someone else pushing for the same thing.

Actually you don't know what "someone else" would do. They might be interested in football and winning trophies. I mean 20 years in charge they have produced a nice looking package but no end result. You could say that Covid has hampered any real progress in the last couple of years but would it have made any difference to our lack of silverware, No is the answer. I'm reasonably happy with our aquisitions this window but they have had chances in the past to push on but have been to slow or to mean to go that extra mile. I'm grateful that they have made our club safe and stable but it is sport and what ever that sport is the fans crave winning things. It's time to show us they really mean business.

 

[mpickard2087]

Which at the end of the day is fair enough it’s his money, but what’s the point in then hanging on to the club ? The exit plan is probably now at maximum level just cash in.

Because it's fine for him sitting in the portfolio alongside the rest of his stuff. The guy is so diversified and doesn't need the money.

I'm guessing he/ENIC have at this point worked their investment(s) into Spurs to what would be a return in the thousands of percent. The club, the infrastructure, and the wider PL brand we're part of is so established now that barring a total disaster that value/return isn't going to change and the clubs fortunes on the pitch are only going to make that fluctuate mildly and not really make a difference.

Also similar to why it's rumoured he has always looked into getting into the NFL, owning a PL club is a great chip to have at your disposal. It gives you a certain status and prestige, it can open doors and help out the rest of your stock, it can even be as petty as one-upmanship against your peers and competitors.

Obviously nothing goes on forever and there are things to consider - Lewis is an elderly man and what happens when he departs, Levy is a 60 year old man and how long will he keep wanting to run things, etc - but I really don't think he is actively looking to sell, unless someone comes along and offers an absolutely mind-blowing offer that couldn't be turned down. If you wanted my plucked out of thin air number for that I'd say you're talking at least a couple of billion. But then that starts the conversation of which of the at most handful of people in the world could/would do that, and why would they when there is better value investments elsewhere.....

 

[spurs mental]

I mean 20 years in charge they have produced a nice looking package but no end result.

If City and Chelsea hadn't hit the jackpot and bought their way to the top we'd have had trophies in the cabinet, with the way we've built and grown. So its harsh to fully blame them for continuing to grow the way they've always tried to grow.

We'd all love to win things. We'd all love to spend loads of money building a world class team with world class players, but it's just not how we are run.

 

[shelfboy68]

I don’t know why you bother Shelfboy.

They’re just playing Levy bingo on you. False narrative, lockdown protesters, bedwetters, toys out of the pram, it’s just recycled on a loop. They dumb down every debate.

7th again. Acceptable to them but not to all.

I know mate I have said before that nobody wins in this ENIC debate you have the lovers on one side and detractors on the other which just goes around in circles.