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Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
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I went to most if not all the relegation season/promotion season games. Never heard the stupid Barry Manilow song once.
One of the favourites back then was “you’ll never make the station”.
It was sang by the away fans on the coaches apparently. It was on the radio a lot and they just adopted it.
 

Locotoro

Prince of Zamunda
Sep 2, 2004
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You make some genuinely good points. I have actually very disappointed with the overall atmosphere in the new stadium. Nevertheless I don’t believe you can manufacture an atmosphere. All those messages on the boards at American stadiums telling the fans what and when to cheer is embarrassing.
I think it takes time with a new stadium to generate a genuine atmosphere. All the regulars from the from the old stadium are in different places. It takes time for them and the “new“ regulars to gell in their new locations and bond together to create a home crowd , to feel comfortable.
WHU have suffered a similar problem since moving from Upton Park. They are all beginning to feel more at home there now and that coupled with an upswing in their team’s performances has improved the atmosphere there.
A 12:30 kick off on a warm Saturday of the Easter weekend was always going to be difficult to get an atmosphere going. Nevertheless I think many fans there, and on here, had due to our recent form become complacent and expected a victory. The best atmospheres are always when there is a fear of losing mixed in with an expectancy of victory.
Apparently Conte’s favorite phrase with the players is “comfort is the enemy”. The fans in the stadium can never feel comfortable about a victory. They need that edge, that fear of defeat to spur(pun intended) on the team.
You make some very good points about artificial or manufacturing atmosphere, which I agree would not be a good thing.

But... I think there's a lot more the club can do on match days to amplify the atmosphere and to generate that energy in the crowd and allow them to further create that atmosphere we're all talking about.

All it would take is implementing the right lighting display, the right music, an announcer that knows how to create that anticipation before kickoff and in the build up (the same way that we are all hyped up for champion's league when we hear that iconic operatic song and the lights are all focused on the banners. Allowing for pauses in the announcements and music when the crowd is singing loud and proud.

We spend hundreds of millions on a new stadium, on acoustics, and technology and fitting in a seat in every available nook and cranny. For me the next most important thing is employing someone who's job it is to maximize the match day crowd atmosphere. I believe it could be powerful enough to earn us points during the course of a season
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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The atmosphere vs Brighton really was not bad at all at the start. I thought it would be given 12:30 KOs always are. But when you go the entire match without really having one attack it's inevitably going to peter out. WHL was also incredibly quiet for long periods. Since I've been going in the mid-80s we've had periods when the atmosphere is really good for a period, and that normally happened when the team had been shit for a while and begun to improve. Like under Jol it was good for a while. Or like when we made CL under Redknapp it was amazing. But then when people get used to that level, it flattens out. Obviously it's also pretty good when the team's doing well, but then the crowd gets entitled very quickly and get impatient.

This is not limited to us. Whenever I've been to Anfield it's been deathly silent for long periods. Generally the clubs that have the best atmosphere are ones who are playing slightly above their level - like Brentford / Palace playing against us, it's a big game for them and they're happy to be competing in the prem. They're excited. When it becomes no longer novel, or they're playing against teams that are smaller than them, it won't be as good.
 

topper

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Jan 27, 2008
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The atmosphere vs Brighton really was not bad at all at the start. I thought it would be given 12:30 KOs always are. But when you go the entire match without really having one attack it's inevitably going to peter out. WHL was also incredibly quiet for long periods. Since I've been going in the mid-80s we've had periods when the atmosphere is really good for a period, and that normally happened when the team had been shit for a while and begun to improve. Like under Jol it was good for a while. Or like when we made CL under Redknapp it was amazing. But then when people get used to that level, it flattens out. Obviously it's also pretty good when the team's doing well, but then the crowd gets entitled very quickly and get impatient.

This is not limited to us. Whenever I've been to Anfield it's been deathly silent for long periods. Generally the clubs that have the best atmosphere are ones who are playing slightly above their level - like Brentford / Palace playing against us, it's a big game for them and they're happy to be competing in the prem. They're excited. When it becomes no longer novel, or they're playing against teams that are smaller than them, it won't be as good.
Spot on - atmosphere at the start was great; unfortunately the team didn’t respond
 

synththfc

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Aug 24, 2017
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our home atmosphere is pretty dreadful if we’re being honest. against brighton we hadn’t scored for 30 whole minutes and there were moans and groans at every backwards or misplaced pass.

talk about entitled.
 

danielneeds

Kick-Ass
May 5, 2004
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The Can’t Smile Without You complaints are so dumb. It has absolutely nothing to do with performance last week. Is it the best walkout song around? No. But it’s not gonna effect the crowd particularly. It would be nice if we had our own You’ll Never Walk Alone, but very few teams do. Personally I preferred Duel of the Fates. At least it sets the pulse racing somewhat.
 

DCSPUR64

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Dec 2, 2018
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Very interesting op, how about the club getting our South end, the home end up and running. It should be electric, get some big flags and even have a drummer if possible.
Get the home end more intimidating like the Kop or Dortmund. We have fantastic acoustics in the stadium. C’mon Spurs.
 

Trent Crimm

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Jun 8, 2021
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The Can’t Smile Without You complaints are so dumb. It has absolutely nothing to do with performance last week. Is it the best walkout song around? No. But it’s not gonna effect the crowd particularly. It would be nice if we had our own You’ll Never Walk Alone, but very few teams do. Personally I preferred Duel of the Fates. At least it sets the pulse racing somewhat.

only fools and horses theme?
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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The Can’t Smile Without You complaints are so dumb. It has absolutely nothing to do with performance last week. Is it the best walkout song around? No. But it’s not gonna effect the crowd particularly. It would be nice if we had our own You’ll Never Walk Alone, but very few teams do. Personally I preferred Duel of the Fates. At least it sets the pulse racing somewhat.

Like said I don't think anyone is saying it influenced the performance, just at least for me didn't really feel fitting for the occasion. It's like if we played the Spice Girls, it would still be just as ridiculous to blame a poor performance on that in any way but you still wouldn't really blame anyone for suggesting it should be different.

I too like Duel of the Fates but don't we still play that in the tunnel? I've always thought that we should play that pre-kick off too, especially for night games where we could synchronise the lighting with it and have a light show when the players are actually on the pitch.
 

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
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The Can’t Smile Without You complaints are so dumb. It has absolutely nothing to do with performance last week. Is it the best walkout song around? No. But it’s not gonna effect the crowd particularly. It would be nice if we had our own You’ll Never Walk Alone, but very few teams do. Personally I preferred Duel of the Fates. At least it sets the pulse racing somewhat.
The majority of the crowd wouldn't have noticed as they were too busy finding their seats and eating fish and chips.
 

Yantino

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Apr 28, 2012
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For the record, I don’t like Can’t Smile Without You. I preferred Duel Of The Fates.

This is my opinion and I know others do not agree. That’s ok.
 

jolsnogross

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May 17, 2005
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our home atmosphere is pretty dreadful if we’re being honest. against brighton we hadn’t scored for 30 whole minutes and there were moans and groans at every backwards or misplaced pass.

talk about entitled.
That's not entitlement. That's a natural and appropriate reaction to a team that are not getting forward to create chances and get shots on goal. We've seen that script very many times. There are countless games where we've spent a half hour not doing anything and then continue the pattern for the remaining hour. It is entirely reasonable for the fans to communicate that it isn't acceptable and to convey that the team should pick up the tempo and at least try to get in and around their box to cause them trouble.

If the fans didn't react that way we'd have a really serious problem with the atmosphere.
 

tevezito

In the cup for Tottingham
Jun 8, 2004
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That's not entitlement. That's a natural and appropriate reaction to a team that are not getting forward to create chances and get shots on goal. We've seen that script very many times. There are countless games where we've spent a half hour not doing anything and then continue the pattern for the remaining hour. It is entirely reasonable for the fans to communicate that it isn't acceptable and to convey that the team should pick up the tempo and at least try to get in and around their box to cause them trouble.

If the fans didn't react that way we'd have a really serious problem with the atmosphere.
It might not be entitlement, but it's not helpful. It's most likely just going to exacerbate the performance on the pitch. But a few rousing choruses of some spurs anthems would have a much better chance of waking up the players and inspiring them to play better.
 
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