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The reboot of the X-Files is announced
The V-Files, see Mouldy and Scally, search for the existence of VARs and uncover the conspiracy of the Governing Bodies attempts to hide the invasion of THFC Into Title Challengers discussions at the the all powerful SKYTV.
Col_M
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to be fair, unless you know the rule that the “whole of the ball” needs to be over the line then it can be confusing.
But I’m talking about people less into the sport, not the manager of a football club who has spent his whole life playing the sport.
Nayim60yards
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It's not possible to win 2-1 when you only have one shot on target though!
*****Checks stats from Palace Tottenham game****
Oh. OK.
DiscoD1882
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they do the same thing every corner. Yet can’t understand it when its on another line?? Baffles me
UncleBuck
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In all fairness if Raya actually positioned himself correctly and not been standing almost outside his near post when the ball came in he would have caught it.
Good thing is Lego head won’t be dropping him any time soon!
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I think VAR was spot on.
The ball was probably in, and certainly VAR did not have a view to definitively say the ball was out. It's amazing to see how many people, including pundits, don't seem to understand the way angles skew the view of a sphere and the only clear view would be directly above the ball
The offside couldn't be determined.
The foul was obviously a difficult call. From the still image it looks like Gabriel was pushed to the ground, but when you watch the whole episode in real time, he is already falling from having tried to head the ball and missed. It's the sort of decision which could go either way, but one which VAR cannot overrule as a clear and obvious error in my opinion.
If a penalty was given for a push like that on a striker there would be uproar. The other thing to point out is that no Arsenal players were appealing for the foul, only that the ball was out.
The goal was given on field, VAR simply gave Arsenal the chance for it to be overruled for a clear and obvious error, but there really was no clear and obvious error with any of the three issues. Arteta's response was really pathetic, and it shows the character flaws which are going to cause Arsenal real problems.
I still think Arsenal under Arteta have peaked, but his delusions of grandeur "we are trying to do incredible things" will sink this project. They are absolutely convinced they are neck and neck with City and easily one of the two best teams in the league. In reality they are in a difficult battle for top 4 or 5, and I'm not convinced they can mentally cope with that reality.
He'll see out this season of course, but I'd be surprised if Arteta is still there by the end of next season. Just my hunch
The ball was probably in, and certainly VAR did not have a view to definitively say the ball was out. It's amazing to see how many people, including pundits, don't seem to understand the way angles skew the view of a sphere and the only clear view would be directly above the ball
The offside couldn't be determined.
The foul was obviously a difficult call. From the still image it looks like Gabriel was pushed to the ground, but when you watch the whole episode in real time, he is already falling from having tried to head the ball and missed. It's the sort of decision which could go either way, but one which VAR cannot overrule as a clear and obvious error in my opinion.
If a penalty was given for a push like that on a striker there would be uproar. The other thing to point out is that no Arsenal players were appealing for the foul, only that the ball was out.
The goal was given on field, VAR simply gave Arsenal the chance for it to be overruled for a clear and obvious error, but there really was no clear and obvious error with any of the three issues. Arteta's response was really pathetic, and it shows the character flaws which are going to cause Arsenal real problems.
I still think Arsenal under Arteta have peaked, but his delusions of grandeur "we are trying to do incredible things" will sink this project. They are absolutely convinced they are neck and neck with City and easily one of the two best teams in the league. In reality they are in a difficult battle for top 4 or 5, and I'm not convinced they can mentally cope with that reality.
He'll see out this season of course, but I'd be surprised if Arteta is still there by the end of next season. Just my hunch
I’m starting to see some similarities to us last season under conte.
Unattractive defensive football but grinding out wins despite not looking good.
There seems to be no sense of togetherness within the squad, all the happiness, free flowing football, the huddles on the pitch etc have all gone. The players look stressed, bored and unhappy.
Arteta looks like he’s feeling the pressure so much, after every game he’s obsessed with referees, never looks happy, rambles on looks and unhappy stressed man.
I think the wheels are coming off, they’ve spent huge money and fully backed arteta, but by all reports the kronekes want them to become self sufficient now so the huge spends etc are coming to an end.
Arteta is copying pep from last season, 4 cbs, goals coming from midfield etc but issue is he doesn’t have haaland, doesn’t have gundogen and ode is just not the player kdb is.
Unattractive defensive football but grinding out wins despite not looking good.
There seems to be no sense of togetherness within the squad, all the happiness, free flowing football, the huddles on the pitch etc have all gone. The players look stressed, bored and unhappy.
Arteta looks like he’s feeling the pressure so much, after every game he’s obsessed with referees, never looks happy, rambles on looks and unhappy stressed man.
I think the wheels are coming off, they’ve spent huge money and fully backed arteta, but by all reports the kronekes want them to become self sufficient now so the huge spends etc are coming to an end.
Arteta is copying pep from last season, 4 cbs, goals coming from midfield etc but issue is he doesn’t have haaland, doesn’t have gundogen and ode is just not the player kdb is.
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The majority of their fans were adament that it would be another two horse race and Arsenal would go one better this season.
I was not buying that at all. I thought Liverpool would be back, United would be up there (ok that was wrong but we have replaced them.)
Thats not even mentioning Villa and Newcastle.
But what really convinced me they wouldn't was the transfer business they did.
I don't care how good Rice is, he is not a player you go and change your system and way of playing to fit in. That player should be the difference maker and whilst he is very good at intercepting and driving the ball forward, he isnt creative, he doesn't control games and he isnt going to blast in 8 or more goals in.
The Havertz one is even more baffling as anyone who has seen Chelsea over the past few years could tell you that he really lacks a lot of what you need in PL (athleticism, finesse, speed, ability to control games).
I reckon after getting trumped by City, Arteta thought he needed to make them hard to beat. Grind out wins against the tougher teams and thrash the weaker teams.
That may get you a win against City at home. But it doesn't give you that consistency because there are far too many tough games against opposition who can hurt you if you leave the game in the balance.
The only team to have kept pace and then got one over City was Liverpool.
Liverpool did not sacrifice their goalscoring abilities, they brought in 3 huge players that allowed them to do what they did from the back better.
Allison - great with the ball and an exceptional shot stopper.
Fabinho - Brilliant at screening the defence but could also play and spring attacks.
Van Dijk - An exceptional defender, especially in 1v1s which allowed Liverpool to play a highline.
Once Klopp established that, he didn't overcomplicate it with unnecessary signings or a drastic change in tactics.
They simply managed the press a little bit more and rather than go full on for 90 mins, they pressed in spells.
But they did not sacrifice their attacking principles.
To go against City you need lots and lots of goals.
City lose the odd game but then go on a streak of 7 or 8 wins scoring about 20+ goals in the process.
You can't be grinding out 1-0 wins and expect to do better than them.
Arteta should have identified that. He should have demanded another attacker or winger because Jesus, Nketiah, Martinelli, Trossard are not going to collectively score 40 goals.
Saka is barely hitting huge numbers either but is their main man.
Basically, he needed to double down on the attack and added depth so his players can go stronger for longer and allow Saka or whoever a rest.
He has completely botched the position they were in.
This should have been a season where they go one better but he seems to have got arrogantly clever and thought he just needs to get one over Pep and City without considering that this league is full of teams that can become much stronger very quickly.
I always maintained Liverpool are City's biggest rivals this season
I was not buying that at all. I thought Liverpool would be back, United would be up there (ok that was wrong but we have replaced them.)
Thats not even mentioning Villa and Newcastle.
But what really convinced me they wouldn't was the transfer business they did.
I don't care how good Rice is, he is not a player you go and change your system and way of playing to fit in. That player should be the difference maker and whilst he is very good at intercepting and driving the ball forward, he isnt creative, he doesn't control games and he isnt going to blast in 8 or more goals in.
The Havertz one is even more baffling as anyone who has seen Chelsea over the past few years could tell you that he really lacks a lot of what you need in PL (athleticism, finesse, speed, ability to control games).
I reckon after getting trumped by City, Arteta thought he needed to make them hard to beat. Grind out wins against the tougher teams and thrash the weaker teams.
That may get you a win against City at home. But it doesn't give you that consistency because there are far too many tough games against opposition who can hurt you if you leave the game in the balance.
The only team to have kept pace and then got one over City was Liverpool.
Liverpool did not sacrifice their goalscoring abilities, they brought in 3 huge players that allowed them to do what they did from the back better.
Allison - great with the ball and an exceptional shot stopper.
Fabinho - Brilliant at screening the defence but could also play and spring attacks.
Van Dijk - An exceptional defender, especially in 1v1s which allowed Liverpool to play a highline.
Once Klopp established that, he didn't overcomplicate it with unnecessary signings or a drastic change in tactics.
They simply managed the press a little bit more and rather than go full on for 90 mins, they pressed in spells.
But they did not sacrifice their attacking principles.
To go against City you need lots and lots of goals.
City lose the odd game but then go on a streak of 7 or 8 wins scoring about 20+ goals in the process.
You can't be grinding out 1-0 wins and expect to do better than them.
Arteta should have identified that. He should have demanded another attacker or winger because Jesus, Nketiah, Martinelli, Trossard are not going to collectively score 40 goals.
Saka is barely hitting huge numbers either but is their main man.
Basically, he needed to double down on the attack and added depth so his players can go stronger for longer and allow Saka or whoever a rest.
He has completely botched the position they were in.
This should have been a season where they go one better but he seems to have got arrogantly clever and thought he just needs to get one over Pep and City without considering that this league is full of teams that can become much stronger very quickly.
I always maintained Liverpool are City's biggest rivals this season
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Their players spend more time on the floor than any other team in the league. Always been that way but they look worse than ever now doing it.
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Martinez….now at Villa
rossdapep
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I don't think they will this season.
They won't win the league and Liverpool will finish above them. Probably 3rd or 4th.
But that will get some of their fanbase, who haven't been 100% convinced about him, to completely turn on him.
That may then set some dissent for next season.
However, I cannot see Edu or the Kroenkes firing him in the near future.
They are fully onboard and into his 'project'
Frozen_Waffles
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Who'd have thought losing Xhaka would have such and impact.
Without Odegaard and playing 2 DMs is Southgate style. Havertz is not good enough to play 10 or 8 in the PL. He plays well in a free role roaming behind the striker when there is time and space to play. That rarely happens in the PL.
I can imagine him doing well in Germany when he is the main man and playing inferior opponents.
What I loved yesterday was the intensity of the game. There is not much to like about this Newcastle side, but the way the crowd and players have created an atmosphere is fantastic, very similar to us this season.
Going from boring nothing football to high intensity is great for the fans.
Arsenal are still a good team, but I wouldn’t have them anywhere near City as challengers and they'll finish below Liverpool imo as well.
I watched United and Arsenal yesterday and only two goals, but the intensity of the football was fantastic .
Without Odegaard and playing 2 DMs is Southgate style. Havertz is not good enough to play 10 or 8 in the PL. He plays well in a free role roaming behind the striker when there is time and space to play. That rarely happens in the PL.
I can imagine him doing well in Germany when he is the main man and playing inferior opponents.
What I loved yesterday was the intensity of the game. There is not much to like about this Newcastle side, but the way the crowd and players have created an atmosphere is fantastic, very similar to us this season.
Going from boring nothing football to high intensity is great for the fans.
Arsenal are still a good team, but I wouldn’t have them anywhere near City as challengers and they'll finish below Liverpool imo as well.
I watched United and Arsenal yesterday and only two goals, but the intensity of the football was fantastic .
Buggsy61
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Has there ever been a bigger bellend than Arteta managing a PL club as I can’t think of one.
They are definitely a level below last season and I wonder if they are missing Xhakas leadership on the field, as although he is a limited player he did seem to drive them on.
Also wonder whether after bottling it two seasons in a row when it really mattered the players might be shot mentally and losing faith in him.
The dog thing is only a peripheral issue but these are adults he is supposed to be dealing with, and put it together with his other bizarre antics, I would not be surprised if some are starting to think WTF is wrong with this guy.
They are definitely a level below last season and I wonder if they are missing Xhakas leadership on the field, as although he is a limited player he did seem to drive them on.
Also wonder whether after bottling it two seasons in a row when it really mattered the players might be shot mentally and losing faith in him.
The dog thing is only a peripheral issue but these are adults he is supposed to be dealing with, and put it together with his other bizarre antics, I would not be surprised if some are starting to think WTF is wrong with this guy.
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