Spurger King
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What did Anton do to get abuse, other than being racially abused by Terry, and being pretty shit?
Are England Fans Racist?
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Am Yisrael Chai
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It was a shit chant but I doubt there was racist intent behind it!
Rio Ferdinand what a wanker, what a wanker! Would have been far more appropriate
Rio Ferdinand what a wanker, what a wanker! Would have been far more appropriate
worcestersauce
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The trouble is that there's bound to be some chelsea fans at the game, this could have been anti Rio because he dropped out of the squad but to bring Anton into it puts it right back in the john terry race row, the slimy toe rag that is john terry is behind this stuff, this is anti Ferdinand because they are knuckle dragging chelsea supporting moronic fuckers not because they are racist; they probably are racist too but not specifically in this case.
By the way did I mention that the slimy toe rag that is john terry was the captain of the England football team, if we want something to be ashamed of there you have it.
By the way did I mention that the slimy toe rag that is john terry was the captain of the England football team, if we want something to be ashamed of there you have it.
beats1
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Exactly as worcester said, nothing that was said is racist but bringing in Anton is showing a level of support to Terry who said something racist. This may have been a racist intention behind the chant i.e. the fan is racist but fifa are wasting their own time tbh because they didnt anything wrong.
As for this anti Rio agenda, I personally dont get it, England ruined King's fitness themselves during the WC and it was clear Rio didnt want to do the same. Last time they made Ledley train everyday during the WC and then pulled up a fuss when he did get injured.
mark87
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Firstly, the chant is disgusting, but how in the hell is it racist? the phrase 'clutching at straws' springs to mind with this accusation. I bet you Fifa find us guilty of it and deduct us points in the qualifying group, other teams like serbia get fined like 3 quid and I guarantee it'll be a pointes deduction for us.
beats1
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It isnt racist but alot of people in the media feel there is a racist undertone by bringing the whole Terry/Anton Ferdinand Saga in to it
Azazello
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In other words, people are making something out of nothing. Someone said raaaaaaaaaaaaacist, so everyone's in a panic.
the song wasnt racist, and if you ask me he brought it on him himself. After pulling out of the squad he flew off to Dubai and slagged the team off, live on TV. Showing a complete lack of respect,but then again he always has been a big mouthed,attention seeking, over opinionated, ****
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I used to enjoy it at the Albion when thousands of Brighton fans would sing about my Dad and Chairman Bill Archer:
Build a bonfire, Build a bonfire
Put Bill_Oddie on the top
Put Bill Archer in the middle
And then burn the fucking lot!
Weirdly, it wasn't until this week I realised my father was actually the victim of racial abuse. Possibly because he is white.
Those damn football fans. Now they're even being racist to white folk. Where will it end?
Build a bonfire, Build a bonfire
Put Bill_Oddie on the top
Put Bill Archer in the middle
And then burn the fucking lot!
Weirdly, it wasn't until this week I realised my father was actually the victim of racial abuse. Possibly because he is white.
Those damn football fans. Now they're even being racist to white folk. Where will it end?
LeSoupeKitchen
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Bringing Anton into it is racist.
Must have been Chelsea fans though right?
Must have been Chelsea fans though right?
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full of his own self impotance !!..rio's pretty quick to play the victim, fucking hypocrite... wernt long ago he was calling cole a "choc ice".
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The inclusion of Anton in the song gives the song a racist undertone imo. As far as I know Anton doesnt play for England, indicating that a portion of England fans (Chelsea Scum) are yet again defending John Terry who has been proven to have made racist comments....connect the dots people.
sloth
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...h-football-racist-fa-looks-other-way#show-all
The racist connection seems to boil down to three things:
1. The "No surrender" sung between lines of God Save the Queen, which apparently is a Combat 18 / EDL thing.
2. The original dispute between Anton and Terry was a racist one, with a section of Terry's supporters blindly supporting their captain's racist abuse of AF. Whether that support can be classed as racist itself is open to question as it seems to me to be typical one-eyed football fan stuff.
3. By choosing to abuse two black players with a song which throws them on the fire and so has undertones of the racist lynching which went on in the US last century.
4. The chant "Rio Ferdinand we know what you are!" which means what? It's menacing, what do they know what he is that they can't state explicitly? As an aside the football fans federation says it was "We know where you are!", in reference to him being in Qatar, however the Guardian journalist points out the "We know what we are!" song was sung at Anton previously, so it seems pretty certain that is what was sung.
In summary, England is probably followed by many racists, I suspect a greater proportion of England fans are racists than you'd find in the general population (just look at footage of your usual EDL march, look at what they're wearing, listen to what they're chanting and compare that to your own experience of going to see England play!), there is a history by some fans of attacking a player who was racially abused for defending himself, that player was again attacked as was his brother, they were attacked in two chants with clear racial undertones. What I would say is that I doubt many would have got this and would be chanting because it's a laugh and they're joining in and not because they are being racist, but there would definitely have been a hard-core who knew exactly what they were doing and the intent and meaning behind it.
The racist connection seems to boil down to three things:
1. The "No surrender" sung between lines of God Save the Queen, which apparently is a Combat 18 / EDL thing.
2. The original dispute between Anton and Terry was a racist one, with a section of Terry's supporters blindly supporting their captain's racist abuse of AF. Whether that support can be classed as racist itself is open to question as it seems to me to be typical one-eyed football fan stuff.
3. By choosing to abuse two black players with a song which throws them on the fire and so has undertones of the racist lynching which went on in the US last century.
4. The chant "Rio Ferdinand we know what you are!" which means what? It's menacing, what do they know what he is that they can't state explicitly? As an aside the football fans federation says it was "We know where you are!", in reference to him being in Qatar, however the Guardian journalist points out the "We know what we are!" song was sung at Anton previously, so it seems pretty certain that is what was sung.
In summary, England is probably followed by many racists, I suspect a greater proportion of England fans are racists than you'd find in the general population (just look at footage of your usual EDL march, look at what they're wearing, listen to what they're chanting and compare that to your own experience of going to see England play!), there is a history by some fans of attacking a player who was racially abused for defending himself, that player was again attacked as was his brother, they were attacked in two chants with clear racial undertones. What I would say is that I doubt many would have got this and would be chanting because it's a laugh and they're joining in and not because they are being racist, but there would definitely have been a hard-core who knew exactly what they were doing and the intent and meaning behind it.
Can all be easily explained away though. If you look hard enough, which this bint has, you can link almost anything to something else.
No surrender? Isnt it aimed towards the IRA. Outdated? Hugely. Slagging off the IRA? Bless their little baby killing cotton socks.
You know what you are? Anton related? Quite possibly, but then again, as much as I detest Terry, the man was found innocent in a court of law yet people are still seemingly happy to virtually label him a racist. Slander anyone? It's easy to argue inst it?
Burning Rio? Age old chant, again, tasteless and pathetic. Racist? Don't be ridiculous. Black people don't have a monopoly on getting burned to death, just as they don't have a monopoly on being hung from a tree ( sol )
I very much doubt these morons are aware of any particular incident in history when chanting such rubbish. People used to chant about Beckham in a similar way, was that racist?
Look hard enough and people will find something they want usually.
Calling a fellow black man a choc ice is a racist double whammy incidentally. Manages to apparently insult both Cole as a black man and white people too. Rio is a hypocritical diva.
This chanting is all embarrassing, tasteless and hateful etc and I think needs addressing but this obsession with linking anything to racism is tedious. Racism needs eradicating, not just from football but from everywhere but looking for it when it ain't there is not helping anyone's cause ( apart from Rio's constant quest for attention )
I remember David Bentley getting untold grief off England fans at a home game at Wembkey once because he previously refused to play for the u-21s at the euros the season before.
Ledley was slated by some for pulling out of a squad due to playing too much, although most seemed happy enough to give him a pass as he had clearly suffered with the knee thing for years.
Ledley was slated by some for pulling out of a squad due to playing too much, although most seemed happy enough to give him a pass as he had clearly suffered with the knee thing for years.
sloth
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I saw a guy walking down the street the other day carrying a hang-man's noose in one hand and a burning torch in the other, he had a conical hat on which came down over his face with eye-holes cut out of it!
Thing is, that hang-man's noose may have been a lasso (he had an american accent too!), and I saw hats like that in the film Rise of the Guardians, it was what Santa's elves wore, and I've seen loads of religious ceremonies where people carry burning torches. Therefore it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he was a US cow-boy christian going to a Father Christmas convention, it's just spurious to try and link all the separate things together like that and say he's in fact a KKK racist!
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