Adebayor & Parker - Detailed Analysis

[beats1]

In that Adebayor video what is that thing he does when the ball comes towards him? He seems to keep it and then lay it off to another player on his team. I'm genuinely confused by it.

As for the analysis of Parker none of that matters because all of his good stats are only because he is always out of position. There is literally no other explanation for it.

:grin: Apparently strikers are allowed to do that without it bouncing of their head

 

[milli.com]

Parker is too slow never been anything great.

 

[talkshowhost86]

:grin: Apparently strikers are allowed to do that without it bouncing of their head

What's astonishing is that Crouch's pass ratio was actually better than Defoe or Pav's and presumably alot of Crouch's 'passes' were his random headers.

Really does show just how poor Pav and Defoe have been in the last year or so.

 

[sloth]

In that Adebayor video what is that thing he does when the ball comes towards him? He seems to keep it and then lay it off to another player on his team. I'm genuinely confused by it.

As for the analysis of Parker none of that matters because all of his good stats are only because he is always out of position. There is literally no other explanation for it.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What's astonishing is that Crouch's pass ratio was actually better than Defoe or Pav's and presumably alot of Crouch's 'passes' were his random headers.

Really does show just how poor Pav and Defoe have been in the last year or so.

It does, but put Pav in the team and he will score goals. Apparently.

 

[tRiKS]

ADeybyor just gets involved. I guess Berbatov's chalkboard stats are good interms of touches and passes etc... but off the ball he wasn't so hot at closing space and working. Are Defoes and crouch's touches on the ball deminished becasue they run more KM's off the ball?

If the answer is yes then are we going to miss the workrate at all? IF so, by how much are we?

 

[tRiKS]

Parker is too slow never been anything great.

He must love playing next to Gareth Barry though because parker looked like a 200m runner next to him

 

[NEVILLEB]

I'd rather rely on instincts than stats.

A player might have a lower pass completion ratio and yet one match winning pass every game.

Stats are a useful guide but not the whole picture

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Good read. Have to say though to me that vid highlights how good the football Arsenal were playing at that time, some of the one touch play and give and goes were on a different level to what we're able to do. I really hope he plays up top alone, I think Defoe just isn't intelligent enough and would be on a complete different wavelength. Unpopular I know but if Harry decides to stick with 442 (I hope he doesn't) then I'd prefer to see Giovani upfront if he's available. Just think he'd have better movement than Defoe and would be able to offer more.

 

[talkshowhost86]

It does, but put Pav in the team and he will score goals. Apparently.

To be fair to Pav, and I hate saying those words, those stats show that he links up slightly better with others than Defoe and he does score more goals than him as well.

I'm not sure any stats do justice to how poor Pav is when he's on an off day though.

I'd rather rely on instincts than stats.

A player might have a lower pass completion ratio and yet one match winning pass every game.

Stats are a useful guide but not the whole picture

Definitely true. Those stats, for example, suggest Parker is better than Sandro and I'm not sure that's true.

But the striker stats are very illuminating and show what we've been missing for the last year and a bit.

 

[Woland]

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The goal at 1:56 looks like a possible Adebayor - Defoe interaction.
JD just needs to get into the box and stay onside.

Oh, and Ade's dancing always makes me cringe. And whince. And cringe again. I could even forgive him not scoring in a game or two but pleeeease don't do this. :doh:

 

[Woland]

I'd rather rely on instincts than stats.

A player might have a lower pass completion ratio and yet one match winning pass every game.

Stats are a useful guide but not the whole picture

Is the 'Key Passes p/g' column is exactly that? Sure it could be somewhat questionable piece of stats (much like assists which also may describe the match-winning pass) but still...

 

[ThorntonSpur]

great analysis, such as shame VDV is out for a few weeks cant wait to see them together.

one issue though all those arsenil goals on a spurs site FFS lol

 

[Mr Pink]

Fantastic read, really enjoyed it.

 

[OneHotspur1988]

Reading this has made me believe we are going to win 7-0 tomorrow

 

[StartingPrice]

I'd rather rely on instincts than stats.

A player might have a lower pass completion ratio and yet one match winning pass every game.

Stats are a useful guide but not the whole picture

Stats have a place...

Is the 'Key Passes p/g' column is exactly that? Sure it could be somewhat questionable piece of stats (much like assists which also may describe the match-winning pass) but still...

...but Neville is right.
No offence, Woland, but why is it that when anyone advances the argument that stats are useful but limited, and it is better to actually watch the game, someone else tries to explain one particular stat? Nev didn't say he didn't know how to read stats, just that they are limited.

The one perfectly example for me is our goal against Stoke (awaay), season before last: the ball was passed into the area and Krankjar scored. So, statistically, assist for the passer, goal for Kranks. But that is hardly the full picture if you remember the goal. The full picture was that the assist wasn't a particularly good pass, it was played to Gudjohnsen, but he wasn't in a great position. But he had the vision to spot Krankjar running into the area where the ball would go if he didn't play it, dummied the ball, and allowed it to run on to Krankjar. He didn't touch it, so can't be given an assist. What's more, a chalk-board figure would just show the assister passing to Krankjar as a successful pass to go onto the pass completion stat.

Anyone seeing the stats and chalkboard, but not the gameplay, would be completely clueless in regard to Gudjohnsen's pivotal role in the goal.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

In all fairness his analysis of Adebayors passing was a bit shit. Arsenal pass the ball a hell of alot more than any other side in the league, so using that as an example gives a hugely biased view. I'm far more interested to see how many passes Adebayor completed ina typical game for Man City under Mark Hughes.

 

[ShelfSide18]

In all fairness his analysis of Adebayors passing was a bit shit. Arsenal pass the ball a hell of alot more than any other side in the league, so using that as an example gives a hugely biased view. I'm far more interested to see how many passes Adebayor completed ina typical game for Man City under Mark Hughes.

Ok then, take for instance when we stuffed them 3-0 at home - one of our best performances under Redknapp.

Adebayor - 34/27

Defoe - 25/21 (rare to see Defoe this involved)
Crouch - 46/29

So highly involved despite us being well on top of them, he's going to be a fine signing.

 

[Bobishism]

Successful passes against Arsenal isnt the same thing as against Chelsea. Different team shapes and Adebayor had more of a point to provel.

 

[degoose]

In that Adebayor video what is that thing he does when the ball comes towards him? He seems to keep it and then lay it off to another player on his team. I'm genuinely confused by it.

As for the analysis of Parker none of that matters because all of his good stats are only because he is always out of position. There is literally no other explanation for it.

i was thinking the same thing, are strikers meant to do this kind of stuff.