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Eric_s

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Tottenham players give Harry Redknapp reason to question their heart
(Telegraph)

With respect to the memory of the late, great Danny Blanchflower, football is about grit as well as glory, and the current generation of those who wear Tottenham Hotspur's fabled white shirt need to take a long, hard look at themselves.

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Their manager, Harry Redknapp, has taken took a pasting on various Spurs fans' forums for his pillorying of the squad in the wake of their flirtation with humiliation at Burnley. Redknapp was wrong to question the technical merits of some of the players he inherited but he had every reason to question their "mental strength''. In fact, he had 3,500 good reasons.

That figure represented the number of Spurs supporters who climbed into coaches and cars mid-afternoon on Wednesday. They need not have headed north to Turf Moor. The Carling Cup tie looked dead. The match was on the television, the weather was filthy, and times are tight. They could have stayed at home.

But they went, because that's what loyal supporters do. Some might consider it an affliction but it's in the blood. So the 3,500 diehards fought their way through assorted motorway roadworks and crashes, negotiated Burnley's traffic-filled centre, grabbed a Holland's "Big Eat'' pie and stood on the Cricket Field end of Turf Moor, the rain coming at them like a sliding tackle.

The 3,500 made an effort.

Sadly, many of Redknapp's players did not. Tom Huddlestone can move a ball beautifully over 40-50 yards, elegantly driving it to a team-mate with a hint of Glenn Hoddle, but he has to win the ball first. He cannot just watch Burnley players fly past him. He must show the grit to go out and gain possession. Barack Obama got to more balls than Huddlestone this week.

Pulling on the Tottenham shirt should not be the end of the ladder for young players, should not be a time to celebrate a boyhood mission accomplished. Entering Spurs' dressing room should be the start of the journey, the chance to seize glory through unstinting application.

As good a passer as he is, Huddlestone must graft more. Ditto David Bentley, another talent not living up to the hype or the generous salary. Ditto Gareth Bale. Great hair, good strut around the training ground but a left-back who still needs to learn his defensive trade.

Spurs are far from the only guilty ones. The malaise of under-achievement contaminates parts of other distinguished clubs. At Manchester City, Micah Richards and particularly Michael Johnson have failed to train on after impressing as colts. They could be England stalwarts but now face questions about their Eastlands futures, particularly Johnson. To think that Johnson was once compared with Colin Bell. How long ago that seems now. Terrace cynics at City could be forgiven for thinking that fame has gone to Johnson's young head.

All managers bemoan the "too much too young'' culture. One leading club politely requested this paper to refrain from lavishing praise on a youth-team starlet for fear it would turn his impressionable head. Talk to any groundsman; one caught a player trying to top up his tan under the huge, motorised sun-lamps used to nurture the grass.

In the age of the credit crunch, with thousands of jobs disappearing by the day and a house repossessed every seven minutes, fans' patience will quickly wear thin with those footballers who do not give value for money. Spurs fans have already turned on their own on occasion this season, Bentley, Bale and Darren Bent hearing the derision of the terraces.

Many stars work hard for their wealth, players such as John Terry, Jamie Carragher, Cesc Fabregas, Scott Parker and basically everyone at Manchester United (particularly now that Nani has responded to terrace calls for greater application). The reason why United are champions of England, Europe and the world is because of their technical aptitude and their appetite.

Take Ryan Giggs, that celebrated left-winger. "I want you in central midfield against Chelsea,'' said Sir Alex Ferguson. No complaint, no problem. Giggs ran the game. "I want you to play right wing against Derby County,'' said Ferguson. No bother. Giggs shone.

Giggs and his band of ambitious brothers host Bentley, Huddlestone and Bale in the FA Cup on Saturday: 3,500 Spurs fans will again take to the icy motorways, expecting this time to see some grit on the pitch, as well as the road.
 

StockSpur

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dont know if he did question anyones technical ability except to tell pav he isnt maradonna?

obvious sentiments really, near the end of the game the camera switched to 3 lads in their spurs gear a few times. to say they looked like they were in shock is an understatement, fair play for sticking with it till the end chaps! I was tempted to switch the TV over on more than one occasion!
 

paul_1979yid

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Good read. Kinda knew all that already though!

Oh and i left at 11am for Burnley. Not mid afternoon!!!
 

garyhopkins

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Very good article. "too much too young'' says it all. Over-paid, over-hyped and under-whelming; that's the verdict on a lot of players today. Yet we all rush back for more punishment every week, don't we? Oh well, we keep dreaming and they keep getting crazy money. Unfortunately they are not paid just for their results. Are they recession-proof? They don't deserve to be...
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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I've never known a time when Spurs have made it to Wembley and the fans felt so down about it, myself included. It was such a strange feeling after the game. I was watching at home, and i didn't even cheer the Spurs goals. I was ashamed of our performance.

Now we need a response more than ever. Whether we get one or not is another question. How many times have we screwed up in recent weeks, and still not responded to it? Lets hope this is the final straw. The players have it all to prove now, more than ever.
 

onthetwo

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BMJ (sorry to harp on) used to talk about 'Dop Mendalidy' when he was with us. Of the current crop i'd say Defoe, Daws, Woody, King, Gomes, Modric, Zokora tick the box. Not so sure about the others. Top Sport is usually 90% mental, 10% ability according to the psychologists, hence our current predicament.
 

JonnySpurs

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Let's be honest, he's absolutely nailed it with that article. Hudd has to be one of my fave players when he's on form but after his initial flurry under Redknapp he's gone right off the boil and was one of the biggest culprits against Burnley on Wednesday. He barely saw the ball and when he did he didn't do anything of note with it.....not like other times when we have seen him completely run a game on his own at the lane.

The facts are the facts, as a club we have had the same mentality now for too long, a lack of graft and lacking in mental strength. We have had a number of different managers over this time and still this feeling hangs around like a bad smell.....imo it can only be the players who are at fault because surely all of these managers can't be gettin it wrong every time?

There's no doubt that we have some fantastic technically gifted footballers but you need a lot more than that to succeed in the prem, we just have to hope that Harry can find it in amongst the current squad somewhere.....I'll be honest, I'm not feeling very optimistic.
 

worcestersauce

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Jan 23, 2006
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And that is why Harry pissed me off, all he did was give some fucked up miserable tired old hack another reason to attack my club and its players.

We beat Burnley 4-1 at White Hart Lane and 6-4 over the tie Arsenal didn't and neither did chelsea.
We are in another Wembley final (with those apparently crap players) and I'm happy.
 

Dougal

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And that is why Harry pissed me off, all he did was give some fucked up miserable tired old hack another reason to attack my club and its players.

We beat Burnley 4-1 at White Hart Lane and 6-4 over the tie Arsenal didn't and neither did chelsea.
We are in another Wembley final (with those apparently crap players) and I'm happy.

Eyes closed, fingers in the ears, 'everything is rosy', 'la la la - I'm not listening' :)

I'm sorry, I'm an optimist but also a realist. We have major problems at Spurs at the moment and it would simply be papering over the cracks once more to just see the trip to Wembley as the solution. It didn't work last year and we cruised through that semi final.
 

hybridsoldier

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Personally in the past Henry Winter has been a bit of a twat, but every word here is true.

We need to stop blaming Comolli and Levy and whoever else

These players have consecutively gotten Martin Jol and Juande Ramos the chop, and the reason we are joint bottom.

I think its absolutely fantastic Harry has pointed it out to the clueless media because finally our players are getting the absolute pasting left right and centre they deserve.

Sadly I think they may turn on Harry because of this...and at a bad time too with us so knee deep in the brown stuff, but its the modern Tottenham player's way - bit of flack and critcism, dont prove them wrong no - just stop trying and go into a sulk like the pansys we are and get the manager the sack!
 

worcestersauce

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Eyes closed, fingers in the ears, 'everything is rosy', 'la la la - I'm not listening' :)

I'm sorry, I'm an optimist but also a realist. We have major problems at Spurs at the moment and it would simply be papering over the cracks once more to just see the trip to Wembley as the solution. It didn't work last year and we cruised through that semi final.


Hopefully you know by now that I'm one of the most realistic posters and you're right Dougal we have major problems but my point is that henry winter doesn't know what they are and doesn't have a solution and whats more does't give a toss, however Harry fed him the treacle and he spread it nice and thick.

Things aren't rosy I know, but it ain't terminal and I'm sick of the domesday scenarios given by some people; we have reached another final with the players who appaently can't be arsed and so I'm going to enjoy it.

I really don't mind Spurs fans being disappointed & miseable and complaining about things but I do get well pissed off with media hacks slagging off my players, maybe I'm just old fashioned that way.

Just a point, if we had gone out in the semi final last year wouldn't we all be high as kytes that we had made the final of the Carlig Cup for the first time in a decade? Yes we bloody well would and yet as its the second time
its just so-so, why is that? don't let anybody spoil it for us least of all cynical old has been hacks.

:dance::dance:SPURS ARE ON THEIR WAY TO WEMBLEY.. TOTTENHAMS GONNA DO IT AGAIN..
THEY CAN'T STOP 'EM THE BOYS FROM TOTTENHAM THE BOYS FROM WHITE HART LANE.. :dance::dance:
 

Dougal

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The bloke is just doing his job and despite the fact his job is a despicable one for once there is a fair share of truth in it so we shouldn't judge it on the merits of other pieces.

And I see your point about celebrating getting to Wembley and while I agree it would have come with more applause if it wasn't for last year that is due the the desperation of our situation over the last 20 years. There is still so much to do and I would much rather we looked like we are ready for the challenge. If Harry didn't say what he says we'd be criticising him for not seeing what we see. It's typical of what I read on message boards. There's no right or wrong.

Apart from my opinion which is never wrong :wink:
 

worcestersauce

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The bloke is just doing his job and despite the fact his job is a despicable one for once there is a fair share of truth in it so we shouldn't judge it on the merits of other pieces.

And I see your point about celebrating getting to Wembley and while I agree it would have come with more applause if it wasn't for last year that is due the the desperation of our situation over the last 20 years. There is still so much to do and I would much rather we looked like we are ready for the challenge. If Harry didn't say what he says we'd be criticising him for not seeing what we see. It's typical of what I read on message boards. There's no right or wrong.

Apart from my opinion which is never wrong :wink:

Fair point Dougal but nevertheless..

:dance::dance:SPURS ARE ON THEIR WAY TO WEMBLEY.. TOTTENHAMS GONNA DO IT AGAIN..
THEY CAN'T STOP 'EM THE BOYS FROM TOTTENHAM THE BOYS FROM WHITE HART LANE..
:dance::dance:
 

Dougal

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Surely...

Tottenham, Tottenham, no-one can stop 'em
We're gonna do it like we did last year?
 

Kendall

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Eyes closed, fingers in the ears, 'everything is rosy', 'la la la - I'm not listening' :)

I'm sorry, I'm an optimist but also a realist. We have major problems at Spurs at the moment and it would simply be papering over the cracks once more to just see the trip to Wembley as the solution. It didn't work last year and we cruised through that semi final.

I agree. I think we're rotten to the core. Our squad of players is great, each individual is an exceptional player, but Hull, West Brom, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Fulham, Burnley and Stoke can completely outplay us.

That's not because we lack a 'midfield destroyer' it's something far more deep rooted.
 

rez9000

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The point is not whether we've got to Wembley though, WS. The point is that we have a squad of players who are seriously misfiring. Getting to the Carling Cup Final does not change that fact, and it sure as hell does not excuse it.

Supporting a football club is one of the most subjective things a person can do, but there has to be a place in it for objectivity. Objectively speaking, winning the CC is going to do us no favours except give us bragging rights. Personally, I'd take Premiership survival at the cost of losing the CC. And for anyone who would choose otherwise, I would ask you to envisage a scenario in which you came up against a Scum fan. Here's how I'd see the conversaton going:

Scum fan: Ha ha! You got relegated!
Spurs fan: Yeah, but we won the Carling Cup.

Scum fan pauses as he waits for the next sentence to light up his miniscule brain

Scum fan: So what? You still got relegated!

OK? Winning a Cup gives us bragging rights. But the bragging rights pale in comparison to the utter arse-rimming rival fans, especially Gooner ones would dish up were we to be relegated.

Another thing to consider, WS (I'm not singling you out, mate, it's only cause you raised the point) is that the manner in which we won the semi- does not inspire confidence in how we're going to play in the Final. If we play Man U the way we played against Burnley they'll give us the thrashing of a lifetime. So, potentially all we've done by winning the semi-final is set ourselves up for the heart-break of losing the Final. The only way to prevent that from happening is for the players to actually knuckle down and do the job that we pay them to do - something which they don't seem particularly interested in doing, at present.

We need a squad of players who are willing to sweat, bleed and cry for the club. Only a very, very few of our 'lads' do that right now and as far as I'm concerned the rest deserve every last drop of scorn that Harry pours out. They need to realise that being selected in a Spurs 18 is not the end of the process, but rather the beginning.

Dawson has started to redeem himself recently. His performances have started to improve and he is beginning to recapture some of the form he showed in 05/06 campaign. But what he also does is put in 100% every time. He gves his all and it shows how much it means to him on the rare occassions when he scores. I remember the look of utter joy on his face when he equalised against Burnley or going further back when he equalised in that Chelsea game when we finally broke our long record against them. That's the type of player we need - one who gives every last drop of effort on the pitch, not because he's paid to do it, but because he wants to, because it means more than a paycheck to him.

There was a French diplomat called Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, who once said:
Charles thingummy said:
I am more afraid of one hundred sheep led by a lion than one hundred lions led by a sheep.

We have plenty of sheep at the moment, but worryingly few lions.
 

worcestersauce

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The point is not whether we've got to Wembley though, WS. The point is that we have a squad of players who are seriously misfiring. Getting to the Carling Cup Final does not change that fact, and it sure as hell does not excuse it.

Supporting a football club is one of the most subjective things a person can do, but there has to be a place in it for objectivity. Objectively speaking, winning the CC is going to do us no favours except give us bragging rights. Personally, I'd take Premiership survival at the cost of losing the CC. And for anyone who would choose otherwise, I would ask you to envisage a scenario in which you came up against a Scum fan. Here's how I'd see the conversaton going:

Scum fan: Ha ha! You got relegated!
Spurs fan: Yeah, but we won the Carling Cup.

Scum fan pauses as he waits for the next sentence to light up his miniscule brain

Scum fan: So what? You still got relegated!

OK? Winning a Cup gives us bragging rights. But the bragging rights pale in comparison to the utter arse-rimming rival fans, especially Gooner ones would dish up were we to be relegated.

Another thing to consider, WS (I'm not singling you out, mate, it's only cause you raised the point) is that the manner in which we won the semi- does not inspire confidence in how we're going to play in the Final. If we play Man U the way we played against Burnley they'll give us the thrashing of a lifetime. So, potentially all we've done by winning the semi-final is set ourselves up for the heart-break of losing the Final. The only way to prevent that from happening is for the players to actually knuckle down and do the job that we pay them to do - something which they don't seem particularly interested in doing, at present.

We need a squad of players who are willing to sweat, bleed and cry for the club. Only a very, very few of our 'lads' do that right now and as far as I'm concerned the rest deserve every last drop of scorn that Harry pours out. They need to realise that being selected in a Spurs 18 is not the end of the process, but rather the beginning.

Dawson has started to redeem himself recently. His performances have started to improve and he is beginning to recapture some of the form he showed in 05/06 campaign. But what he also does is put in 100% every time. He gves his all and it shows how much it means to him on the rare occassions when he scores. I remember the look of utter joy on his face when he equalised against Burnley or going further back when he equalised in that Chelsea game when we finally broke our long record against them. That's the type of player we need - one who gives every last drop of effort on the pitch, not because he's paid to do it, but because he wants to, because it means more than a paycheck to him.

There was a French diplomat called Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, who once said:

We have plenty of sheep at the moment, but worryingly few lions.


Sorry Rez but the point is that we are in another cup final at Wembley and quite honestly if a supporter of a football club cannot enjoy that then what the fuck are they bothering for.
Christ we could go down and not reach and maybe win a final so why not enjoy it.

I think it was a German General that said the English have Lions led by Donkeys perhaps thats just as apt.

However I behave its going to make no difference so personally I am going to enjoy the next few weeks I suggest some other fans give it a try, as for henry winter he can take a long walk off a short pier.

And again I say without any hesitation or any hint of self conciousness -

:dance::dance:SPURS ARE ON THEIR WAY TO WEMBLEY.. TOTTENHAMS GONNA DO IT AGAIN..
THEY CAN'T STOP 'EM THE BOYS FROM TOTTENHAM THE BOYS FROM WHITE HART LANE..
:dance::dance:
 

rez9000

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Sorry Rez but the point is that we are in another cup final at Wembley and quite honestly if a supporter of a football club cannot enjoy that then what the fuck are they bothering for.
Christ we could go down and not reach and maybe win a final so why not enjoy it.

I think it was a German General that said the English have Lions led by Donkeys perhaps thats just as apt.

However I behave its going to make no difference so personally I am going to enjoy the next few weeks I suggest some other fans give it a try, as for henry winter he can take a long walk off a short pier.

And again I say without any hesitation or any hint of self conciousness -

:dance::dance:SPURS ARE ON THEIR WAY TO WEMBLEY.. TOTTENHAMS GONNA DO IT AGAIN..
THEY CAN'T STOP 'EM THE BOYS FROM TOTTENHAM THE BOYS FROM WHITE HART LANE..
:dance::dance:

Dude, don't get me wrong, I'm chuffed that we're in the Final. Any self-respecting Spurs fan would be. All I'm saying is that it doesn't take away from the fact that our squad has serious issues, and I feel that they stem from the attitude of some of our players. Surely, you can't deny that?
 
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