TheHodFather
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They're just playing to the Utd fanbase, though I guess to be fair they did start the weekend 8pts off 4th place and finished it 6pts off 4th place.
2023/24 - The Race For..................
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Nayim60yards
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24 games in and they are only beginning to suss out that we play the exact same way no matter the opposition? Oh my days, how did they crack the code?
worcestersauce
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I think they caught on pretty quickly to be honest, they're adding bits and pieces like fouling Vicario but overall they've still fallen short,. I think the returning players will be a huge bonus too.
Westmorlandspur
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Utd are surviving on the backs of 3 young boys. Won’t last for the rest of the season
Nayim60yards
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I was wondering how the situation looked this time last season given all this talk of resurgent Man United etc. Comparing the tables from then and now makes interesting (grim?) reading.
Current Table: Matchweek 24 2023/24
Matchweek 24 2022/23
So we were in fourth spot, the same position as now but we are five points better off this season, we have scored seven more and also conceded one more so our goal difference is six better this year.
We were 12 points (call it 13 with GD) away from the summit, this season we are 7 points (call it 8 with GD) away.
2022/23 we were 7 points behind the third placed team and now we are 5 (call it 6 with GD) from third place.
Last season we went on to pick up only 18 more points from 14 matches!
It gets really interesting when you look at some of the other teams and how much they changed their situations and it applies caution to teams who think they have nailed their objectives already with 14 games to play. Arsenal have two fewer points and have played a game more. They were first then and third now. Man City have the same number of points but have played one fewer game than last season. Liverpool have 19 more points than they had at this stage last season. They were eighth and seven points behind us and yet they grabbed fifth spot. Brighton were seven points behind us (with two games in hand) and lost to us twice but still finished above us in sixth now they are twelve points behind us. Villa had a game in hand on us but were 14 points behind us (call it 15 with GD) and finished a place above us in seventh!!! They are now just a point behind us. West Ham were in the bottom three! I didn't remember that and to think their fans are moaning now! Leicester were four points clear of relegation and we know what happened to them. Chelsea were 10th for God's sake and now they are....10th!!!
This time last season Southampton and Leeds had 18 and 19 respectively and they went down. The bottom two clubs today are Burnley and Sheffield United who both have 13 points, You cannot make a case for either to survive based on those numbers.
So, in essence we fucking collapsed last season from a position where we had top four in our hands to slipping past Europa League and Europa Conference League and into the non-European spot of eighth, allowing average teams like Brighton and Villa to wander past our bloated corpse. The more I think about it the more embarrassing it is. I don't think I quite took it in last season because the season was so shit in general. Was it looking shit enough for us not to qualify for Europe at all though? No chance.
I cannot see any chance of a collapse of that magnitude this season, we have actually had the same manager from the start of the season and he looks like he will make it to the end. That'll help straight away. None of Mourinho, Nuno or Conte started and ended a season in charge! We have a structure and a philosophy which has seen us through some sticky times and now we look ready to leap forward with a squad getting stronger by the day.
Based on what we see from last season it is not impossible that we could win the league. If that sounds ridiculous it's because it kind of is, but look for yourselves how much changed in fourteen games last season. Aston Villa picked up 33 points FFS! If we match that we would finish on 80 points. Who is to say that wouldn't be enough?
Nobody knows what the hand of fate is going to deal out in the next fourteen games. Let's start putting a winning run together and see where it takes us.
Current Table: Matchweek 24 2023/24
Matchweek 24 2022/23
So we were in fourth spot, the same position as now but we are five points better off this season, we have scored seven more and also conceded one more so our goal difference is six better this year.
We were 12 points (call it 13 with GD) away from the summit, this season we are 7 points (call it 8 with GD) away.
2022/23 we were 7 points behind the third placed team and now we are 5 (call it 6 with GD) from third place.
Last season we went on to pick up only 18 more points from 14 matches!
It gets really interesting when you look at some of the other teams and how much they changed their situations and it applies caution to teams who think they have nailed their objectives already with 14 games to play. Arsenal have two fewer points and have played a game more. They were first then and third now. Man City have the same number of points but have played one fewer game than last season. Liverpool have 19 more points than they had at this stage last season. They were eighth and seven points behind us and yet they grabbed fifth spot. Brighton were seven points behind us (with two games in hand) and lost to us twice but still finished above us in sixth now they are twelve points behind us. Villa had a game in hand on us but were 14 points behind us (call it 15 with GD) and finished a place above us in seventh!!! They are now just a point behind us. West Ham were in the bottom three! I didn't remember that and to think their fans are moaning now! Leicester were four points clear of relegation and we know what happened to them. Chelsea were 10th for God's sake and now they are....10th!!!
This time last season Southampton and Leeds had 18 and 19 respectively and they went down. The bottom two clubs today are Burnley and Sheffield United who both have 13 points, You cannot make a case for either to survive based on those numbers.
So, in essence we fucking collapsed last season from a position where we had top four in our hands to slipping past Europa League and Europa Conference League and into the non-European spot of eighth, allowing average teams like Brighton and Villa to wander past our bloated corpse. The more I think about it the more embarrassing it is. I don't think I quite took it in last season because the season was so shit in general. Was it looking shit enough for us not to qualify for Europe at all though? No chance.
I cannot see any chance of a collapse of that magnitude this season, we have actually had the same manager from the start of the season and he looks like he will make it to the end. That'll help straight away. None of Mourinho, Nuno or Conte started and ended a season in charge! We have a structure and a philosophy which has seen us through some sticky times and now we look ready to leap forward with a squad getting stronger by the day.
Based on what we see from last season it is not impossible that we could win the league. If that sounds ridiculous it's because it kind of is, but look for yourselves how much changed in fourteen games last season. Aston Villa picked up 33 points FFS! If we match that we would finish on 80 points. Who is to say that wouldn't be enough?
Nobody knows what the hand of fate is going to deal out in the next fourteen games. Let's start putting a winning run together and see where it takes us.
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Westmorlandspur
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England now in 2nd position in the race for the extra CL spot After City win last night and Leipzig defeat allows us to leapfrog the Germans. Top 2 get extra place. Draw or defeat for Bayern away to Lazio tonight will do fine.
Will have to support Arsenal next week but not for much longer.. no doubt they will get through.
Will have to support Arsenal next week but not for much longer.. no doubt they will get through.
Ginola+Tonic
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Villa players are falling daily right now which is worrying for them.
In the past week
Kamara (ACL)
Diego Carlos (Hamstring)
have both been ruled out injured, adding to Konsa and Mings already injured.
Pau Torres and Digne have just came back for them aswell.
They might struggle for a few weeks, we need to take advantage.
In the past week
Kamara (ACL)
Diego Carlos (Hamstring)
have both been ruled out injured, adding to Konsa and Mings already injured.
Pau Torres and Digne have just came back for them aswell.
They might struggle for a few weeks, we need to take advantage.
Joshua shepherd
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Just finish 4th and hope we’re not in the top two re coefficient. Better for us if United/Villa don’t get champions league football and miss out on the extra revenue.
Westmorlandspur
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True but you never know what happens in football. England will get the 5th CL place
CanadaSpurs
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Great work but what stuck out to me like a sore thumb was that we have only conceded one more goal despite pivoting to all out attack with a “suicidal” high line from last year’s dire Conte counterattack.
If the Chelsea game hadn’t gone completely off the rails we’d have probably allowed fewer goals this year than last to this point!
Ginola+Tonic
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Buy a new calculator
HodisGawd
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We are going to finish top 4. We definitely don't want a 5th CL to be available to the likes of Villa.
GMI
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Is that the same calculator Chelsea are using to work out FFP?
spurs mental
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Were you never taught to show your work in school?
Westmorlandspur
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When we play the likes of liverpool, arse, City we are capable of getting pts as we did earlier this season. They will just get outclassed . Utd prob won’t get 3 pts v Luton this weekend.
4th will be ours. Villa just lost another centre half to injury.
G Ron
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Bayern lose. All helps!
fishhhandaricecake
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By my calculations my Johnson is 10” and we will win the league.
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